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Meow Aug 23rd 2012 10:47 am

Child marriage in Iran & KSA
 
Anyone seen this appalling story :frown:

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/329317

When Saudi Arabia announced three months ago that girls as young as 10-years old would now be allowed to marry, Iran decided to drop the age limit even further

Kix Aug 23rd 2012 12:04 pm

Re: Child marriage in Iran & KSA
 
Well as its written in sharia law it must be OK, wasn't their prophet married to an 8 year old? Surely that is pedophilia.

Patsy Stoned Aug 23rd 2012 12:07 pm

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Baroness Jenny Tonge, chair of a British parliamentary inquiry looking at the issue of child brides, tells the Women's News Network, "We decided to look into child marriage because some two, three years ago we did an investigation into maternal mortality." "We realised that one of the major causes of maternal death is early marriage, and (that) the girls are married so young that their bodies are simply not ready for child birth." She tells the story of one young girl, "she was an eight-year-old who was married to a 45 to 50-year-old in Yemen, arranged by his family – died three days later after the first intercourse from bleeding. When you hear the stories, it just makes you feel quite sick."

Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/articl...#ixzz24N1KSkkL



FFS..in any civilised country these people would be arrested as paedophiles!!

littlejimmy Aug 23rd 2012 1:13 pm

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Originally Posted by Patsy Stoned (Post 10242362)
Baroness Jenny Tonge, chair of a British parliamentary inquiry looking at the issue of child brides, tells the Women's News Network, "We decided to look into child marriage because some two, three years ago we did an investigation into maternal mortality." "We realised that one of the major causes of maternal death is early marriage, and (that) the girls are married so young that their bodies are simply not ready for child birth." She tells the story of one young girl, "she was an eight-year-old who was married to a 45 to 50-year-old in Yemen, arranged by his family – died three days later after the first intercourse from bleeding. When you hear the stories, it just makes you feel quite sick."

Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/articl...#ixzz24N1KSkkL



FFS..in any civilised country these people would be arrested as paedophiles!!

As the father of an 8-year-old girl, I wish I hadn't read that.

moneypenny20 Aug 23rd 2012 1:18 pm

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Originally Posted by Meow (Post 10242231)
When Saudi Arabia announced three months ago that girls as young as 10-years old would now be allowed to marry, Iran decided to drop the age limit even further

What, is it a competition or something? Far out there's some seriously sick ****wits out there. :(

Patsy Stoned Aug 23rd 2012 2:05 pm

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Originally Posted by littlejimmy (Post 10242472)
As the father of an 8-year-old girl, I wish I hadn't read that.

which is why we must all scream it from the rooftops darling..and try and change things

Meow Aug 23rd 2012 2:09 pm

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Originally Posted by Patsy Stoned (Post 10242604)
which is why we must all scream it from the rooftops darling..and try and change things

True. This type of thing needs maximum publicity, to try and pressure these nasty regimes into behaving in a civilised manner.

It's enough to make any decent person weep.

OleJanx Aug 23rd 2012 2:11 pm

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Originally Posted by Meow (Post 10242617)
True. This type of thing needs maximum publicity, to try and pressure these nasty regimes into behaving in a civilised manner.

It's enough to make any decent person weep.

Iran, Saudi Arabia and the idea of civilisation are mutually exclusive concepts.

britexpat76 Aug 23rd 2012 2:14 pm

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Is it not as much to do with making sure the 'Woman' (Girl) is still a Virgin? Its sick.

Meow Aug 23rd 2012 2:18 pm

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Originally Posted by OleJanx (Post 10242622)
Iran, Saudi Arabia and the idea of civilisation are mutually exclusive concepts.

That's no reason not to put pressure on them, or to condemn their behaviour. They need to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century, for the sake of the young people at least.

OleJanx Aug 23rd 2012 2:32 pm

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Originally Posted by Meow (Post 10242641)
That's no reason not to put pressure on them, or to condemn their behaviour. They need to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century, for the sake of the young people at least.

They are half a millenia behind the rest of the world, and seem quite proud of the fact. I can't really see them changing their out look any century soon, sadly.

seven seas Aug 24th 2012 10:13 am

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Originally Posted by OleJanx (Post 10242676)
... seem quite proud of the fact. I can't really see them changing their out look any century soon, sadly.

+1

littlejimmy Aug 24th 2012 10:41 am

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We could bomb the bastards back to the Stone Age, but they're already there.

Norm_uk Aug 24th 2012 11:07 am

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Originally Posted by Kix (Post 10242359)
Well as its written in sharia law it must be OK, wasn't their prophet married to an 8 year old? Surely that is pedophilia.

Islam teaches that Mohammad was the most perfect example of a man, a standard to follow and be proud of. It teaches that it is also the final revelation from god for all time. Everything in it is complete, perfect and it is forbidden to abridge anything.

With that in mind Saudi and Iran are actually being proper Muslims in this regard. A lot of Muslim terrorists are simply emulating their founder by waging war on infidels. Islam spread for centuries by war and little else.

Unless they are willing to completely disregard huge and fundamental parts of their believe little will change. No other religion tells people they may lie to non-believers to defend their faith. No other religion demands the death penalty for leaving as far as I can tell either.

And people wonder why I go on about it...

N.

shiva Aug 24th 2012 11:11 am

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i'd like to say i lack the words, unfortunately i dont but i shall however save them for a time and place where i wont be deported for voicing them.

moneypenny20 Aug 24th 2012 11:20 am

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Originally Posted by shiva (Post 10244173)
i'd like to say i lack the words, unfortunately i dont but i shall however save them for a time and place where i wont be deported for voicing them.

I'm in Aus, tell me what you want to say and I'll say it for you. ;)

redShark Aug 29th 2012 10:01 pm

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Originally Posted by Norm_uk (Post 10244164)
Islam teaches that Mohammad was the most perfect example of a man, a standard to follow and be proud of. It teaches that it is also the final revelation from god for all time. Everything in it is complete, perfect and it is forbidden to abridge anything.

With that in mind Saudi and Iran are actually being proper Muslims in this regard. A lot of Muslim terrorists are simply emulating their founder by waging war on infidels. Islam spread for centuries by war and little else.

Unless they are willing to completely disregard huge and fundamental parts of their believe little will change. No other religion tells people they may lie to non-believers to defend their faith. No other religion demands the death penalty for leaving as far as I can tell either.

And people wonder why I go on about it...

N.

If I can still recall, it was not the Muslims who dropped two nuclear bombs on two civilian cities!!!

britexpat76 Aug 30th 2012 4:06 am

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Originally Posted by redShark (Post 10253661)
If I can still recall, it was not the Muslims who dropped two nuclear bombs on two civilian cities!!!

I've just woken up, so excuse me if I'm wrong but as far as I recall a 'nucleur' bomb has never been dropped on a city.

moneypenny20 Aug 30th 2012 4:09 am

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Originally Posted by britexpat76 (Post 10254087)
I've just woken up, so excuse me if I'm wrong but as far as I recall a 'nucleur' bomb has never been dropped on a city.

Do we have non civilian cities?

seven seas Aug 30th 2012 4:23 am

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Originally Posted by redShark (Post 10253661)
If I can still recall, it was not the Muslims who dropped two nuclear bombs on two civilian cities!!!

So because a previous US government used nuclear weapons on civilians in Japan, YOU can rape a ten-year-old child?

Meow Aug 30th 2012 6:12 am

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Originally Posted by seven seas (Post 10254105)
So because a previous US government used nuclear weapons on civilians in Japan, YOU can rape a ten-year-old child?


Don't you just love the totally warped 'logic' of the terminally brainwashed? :rolleyes:

Millhouse Aug 30th 2012 6:16 am

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Originally Posted by Meow (Post 10254196)
Don't you just love the totally warped 'logic' of the terminally brainwashed? :rolleyes:

Interestingly, and I'm not justifying this, they think the same of us when they see the hypocrisy in our societies.

Meow Aug 30th 2012 6:26 am

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Originally Posted by Millhouse (Post 10254198)
Interestingly, and I'm not justifying this, they think the same of us when they see the hypocrisy in our societies.


See his post earlier in this thread. Attempting to justify child rape because the nuclear bombs in WW11 is one of the worst arguments I have ever seem.

I know you like to oppose anything I say, but surely you cannot back up that kind of statement. You're not a liberal apologist and you know perfectly well that criticising one course of action is not the automatice defence of another.

Millhouse Aug 30th 2012 6:34 am

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Originally Posted by Meow (Post 10254206)
See his post earlier in this thread. Attempting to justify child rape because the nuclear bombs in WW11 is one of the worst arguments I have ever seem.

I know you like to oppose anything I say, but surely you cannot back up that kind of statement. You're not a liberal apologist and you know perfectly well that criticising one course of action is not the automatice defence of another.

Correct. I am not a liberal apologist by any stretch, and I'm not trying to oppose everything you say. Further, as I said, I'm not justifying it either - but what you need to understand is that they don't see it as rape due to some weird ****ed up beliefs and that they see our actions as equally appalling too. This is why you get these nut case posters on here... I'm sure there is an ArabExpats.com somewhere where occasionally a Brit shows up and spouts something they see as normal and get blasted and called insane :)

Bahtatboy Aug 30th 2012 6:51 am

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Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 10254094)
Do we have non civilian cities?

Sheikh Zayed Military City

Meow Aug 30th 2012 7:12 am

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Originally Posted by Millhouse (Post 10254209)
Correct. I am not a liberal apologist by any stretch, and I'm not trying to oppose everything you say. Further, as I said, I'm not justifying it either - but what you need to understand is that they don't see it as rape due to some weird ****ed up beliefs and that they see our actions as equally appalling too. This is why you get these nut case posters on here... I'm sure there is an ArabExpats.com somewhere where occasionally a Brit shows up and spouts something they see as normal and get blasted and called insane :)


But you and I know that they are wrong and we're right. :nod:

moneypenny20 Aug 30th 2012 7:21 am

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Originally Posted by Bahtatboy (Post 10254227)
Sheikh Zayed Military City

Never heard of it so it can't exist ;) Any more in the 'real' world? :D

Boomhauer Aug 30th 2012 8:16 am

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Originally Posted by redShark (Post 10253661)
If I can still recall, it was not the Muslims who dropped two nuclear bombs on two civilian cities!!!

While I do not think the US should have dropped them, recal that Imperial Japan was genocidal and expansionist like Islam.

Beaverstate Aug 30th 2012 8:25 am

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Originally Posted by Boomhauer (Post 10254345)
While I do not think the US should have dropped them, recal that Imperial Japan was genocidal and expansionist like Islam.

Unbelievable where this subject pops up.

mikewot Aug 30th 2012 8:52 am

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Originally Posted by redShark (Post 10253661)
If I can still recall, it was not the Muslims who dropped two nuclear bombs on two civilian cities!!!

http://comerecommended.com/files/201...mbulance1.jpeg

Bahtatboy Aug 30th 2012 8:57 am

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Originally Posted by mikewot (Post 10254408)

?

Norm_uk Aug 30th 2012 9:37 am

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Originally Posted by redShark (Post 10253661)
If I can still recall, it was not the Muslims who dropped two nuclear bombs on two civilian cities!!!

Congratulations on moving this so far off topic it needs a spacesuit to breath air.

It's not even worth replying - except to say without two nuclear bombs millions of Japanese and Americans would have been killed because Japan would have needed to be invaded and fully conquered (like Germany) before it would have surrendered.

If you have a comment on any points I raise please do make them - but don't engage in logical fallacies.

N.

Norm_uk Aug 30th 2012 9:38 am

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Originally Posted by seven seas (Post 10254105)
So because a previous US government used nuclear weapons on civilians in Japan, YOU can rape a ten-year-old child?

Karma given...best response to odious reasoning I've seen in ages.

Thank you.

N.

Norm_uk Aug 30th 2012 9:40 am

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Originally Posted by Boomhauer (Post 10254345)
While I do not think the US should have dropped them, recal that Imperial Japan was genocidal and expansionist like Islam.

Mr Godwin will hate me but they were natural allies of the Nazis because of that...both the Imperial Japanese and the Theocratic fascists.

N.

moneypenny20 Aug 30th 2012 9:41 am

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Just a point of interest, these young girls who are allowed to marry and have children, do any of them marry young boys/men or do they all end up with 30+ guys? Are young boys allowed to marry or did Mohamed not make a decision on that?

Bahtatboy Aug 30th 2012 10:27 am

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Originally Posted by Norm_uk (Post 10254510)
Mr Godwin will hate me but they were natural allies of the Nazis because of that...both the Imperial Japanese and the Theocratic fascists.

N.

+1. Sadly.

britexpat76 Aug 30th 2012 10:52 am

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Originally Posted by moneypenny20 (Post 10254511)
Just a point of interest, these young girls who are allowed to marry and have children, do any of them marry young boys/men or do they all end up with 30+ guys? Are young boys allowed to marry or did Mohamed not make a decision on that?

You are allowed to marry when you are deemed an adult, (some phase of puberty). Girls are classed as ready at this ridiculous age and boys its 15.

The marriages where the men are much older is usually when more money is involved, which makes it worse............

Bahtatboy Aug 30th 2012 10:58 am

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Originally Posted by britexpat76 (Post 10254653)
You are allowed to marry when you are deemed an adult, (some phase of puberty). Girls are classed as ready at this ridiculous age and boys its 15.

The marriages where the men are much older is usually when more money is involved, which makes it worse............

Not necessarily. At least they won't be living in squalor.

Dorothy Aug 30th 2012 11:01 am

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Originally Posted by Bahtatboy (Post 10254675)
Not necessarily. At least they won't be living in squalor.

So it's better to repeatedly rape a young girl in plush surroundings than in squalor? :confused:

moneypenny20 Aug 30th 2012 11:01 am

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Originally Posted by Bahtatboy (Post 10254675)
Not necessarily. At least they won't be living in squalor.

Does that make it better?


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