Carbon Credits
Millhouse will probably be helpful on this one....
Just had the second or third call from a company in Abu Dhabi flogging these. I asked a few questions and the bloke answered all quite well. I'm not going to buy any just wondered what the crack was with these? |
Re: Carbon Credits
This might help a bit: http://www.fsa.gov.uk/consumerinform.../carbon_credit
I've had a couple of these calls and I used to be in the trading business and this is something I would steer well clear of as I don't fully understand or more importantly what drives / influences it. I've found there are many other ways of losing money in things that I think I understand!! |
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AVOID!!
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Next time someone calls you up about these, ask what happens to them at the end of this year when the legal basis of the Koyto Agreement expires.
Then say... "yes, I understand what you are saying, but you don't actually know do you?" |
Re: Carbon Credits
Originally Posted by Meow
(Post 10283198)
AVOID!!
Originally Posted by Millhouse
(Post 10283202)
Next time someone calls you up about these, ask what happens to them at the end of this year when the legal basis of the Koyto Agreement expires.
Then say... "yes, I understand what you are saying, but you don't actually know do you?" |
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it's a scammy industry
one of my old mates runs a carbon-consultancy thang on the costa del crime. he's a complete dodge-pot http://www.sceptreco2e.com/news/ |
Re: Carbon Credits
Originally Posted by Scamp
(Post 10283270)
I assumed this much...but your advice is still appreciated.
OK wicked. I did wonder when he was quoting a 500% rise in value in the next 3-4 years. Also, I wondered why he kept telling me it was legit because they are on a register in Washington or something... As Millhouse said, you can guarantee that the scammer on the phone has negligible understanding of carbon credits. And he won't be around to take the heat when people lose money and it all turns out to be a pack of lies. |
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I don't get this whole carbon credits/carbon trading and especially companies who claim to be carbon neutral. When you see Tesco & Marks & Sparks trucks on the roads in UK with a banner on the side saying that they're carbon neutral I'm sorry I just don't get it. How can you power the shops and trucks without producing carbon? It's like these oh so smug drivers of hybrid cars, sorry mate but where does the power to recharge your vehicle come from? Almost 90% certain it's from burning fossil fuels.
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Re: Carbon Credits
Originally Posted by mikewot
(Post 10283298)
I don't get this whole carbon credits/carbon trading and especially companies who claim to be carbon neutral. When you see Tesco & Marks & Sparks trucks on the roads in UK with a banner on the side saying that they're carbon neutral I'm sorry I just don't get it. How can you power the shops and trucks without producing carbon? It's like these oh so smug drivers of hybrid cars, sorry mate but where does the power to recharge your vehicle come from? Almost 90% certain it's from burning fossil fuels.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_neutrality |
Re: Carbon Credits
Originally Posted by Scamp
(Post 10283120)
Millhouse will probably be helpful on this one....
Just had the second or third call from a company in Abu Dhabi flogging these. I asked a few questions and the bloke answered all quite well. I'm not going to buy any just wondered what the crack was with these? I'm not going to buy anything either - I just want to find out a bit more about the sort of firms that are promoting this market. |
Re: Carbon Credits
Originally Posted by The Dean
(Post 10283305)
If they call you again, can you let me know their name and contact details (seriously) please?
I'm not going to buy anything either - I just want to find out a bit more about the sort of firms that are promoting this market. |
Re: Carbon Credits
Originally Posted by Meow
(Post 10283303)
Of course, but it's about what you do to neutralise the effect on the environment, by planting forests etc. Take with one hand, give with the other to allegedly cancel out the effect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_neutrality |
Re: Carbon Credits
Originally Posted by The Dean
(Post 10283311)
That was the 'sales pitch' a firm tried to use on me - if you can demonstrate that you have enacted measures that reduce your emissions by one tonne, you get a credit (allowing you to emit one tonne) free of charge........ which you can sell to (presumably?) a polluter??? :blink:
The problem with these bits of paper is that there isn't much control or certification on how they are produced so you don't know if they actually did any carbon 'offsetting'. Anyhow, they all expire on 2012 unless someone does something. Hence they are being pushed now. The only way carbon is reduced is if someone buys these papers and destroys them. Not through trading them. I assume they aren't worth much now (not checked) given that we're close to expiry. I guess if they are extended then the value could rise... maybe by over 500% in a matter of 3-4 years :ohmy: :rofl: |
Re: Carbon Credits
Originally Posted by Meow
(Post 10283303)
Of course, but it's about what you do to neutralise the effect on the environment, by planting forests etc. Take with one hand, give with the other to allegedly cancel out the effect.
In my industry Europe has made aviation one of the whipping boys for pollution and often publish stats about how much carbon is emitted by aircraft. Leaving to one side the fact that the aviation industry responds to demand, there is focus on giving aircraft continous descent or climb or direct routing or optimal cruising levels when possible. But the biggest cause of holding (and carbon production) is that the punters all want to depart at the same times and arrive at the same times. The runway capacity is the biggest constraint, not ATC. {now breathe} Now the ME are making noises about aviation pollution. Tell you what, the day they pull down Ski Dubai is the day I'll believe they're serious about environmental pollution! |
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Originally Posted by mikewot
(Post 10283362)
Oh yes I understand the propaganda but thats exactly what it is, a load of old bollocks which really winds me up.
In my industry Europe has made aviation one of the whipping boys for pollution and often publish stats about how much carbon is emitted by aircraft. Leaving to one side the fact that the aviation industry responds to demand, there is focus on giving aircraft continous descent or climb or direct routing or optimal cruising levels when possible. But the biggest cause of holding (and carbon production) is that the punters all want to depart at the same times and arrive at the same times. The runway capacity is the biggest constraint, not ATC. {now breathe} Now the ME are making noises about aviation pollution. Tell you what, the day they pull down Ski Dubai is the day I'll believe they're serious about environmental pollution! |
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