Can't Stay If You're Gay, B&B Tells Couple
Mar 30th 2010, 7:17 pm
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Re: Can't Stay If You're Gay, B&B Tells Couple
The UK licensing laws are very specific about this..in effect we are allowing people into our living rooms.. This is the common law........The license
holder ( that means the person who's name is above the door as in ( Mrs Patsystoned is licensed to sell.........) or a bartender given authority by the licensee does not need to provide a reason for refusing to serve somebody..the person may, ofcourse, try to sue them, but they would have a very difficult job trying to prove that it was discriminatory.
" she refused to serve me because I am black"...err ...no there are other black people in the bar....Oh ..she refused to serve me because I am gay....errr... no there are other gays in the bar............ I refused to serve you because.............I CAN!!
http://www.morningadvertiser.co.uk/n...84871?N=598254
oh and if you are interested here is the list of people it is illegal to serve drinks to..this is usually a question the magistrates ask you when you apply for your license
1) A Policeman in uniform.
2)Anyone under the age of 18.
3)Anyone you know to be under th influence of drugs or alcohol.
4)A known prostitute.
holder ( that means the person who's name is above the door as in ( Mrs Patsystoned is licensed to sell.........) or a bartender given authority by the licensee does not need to provide a reason for refusing to serve somebody..the person may, ofcourse, try to sue them, but they would have a very difficult job trying to prove that it was discriminatory.
" she refused to serve me because I am black"...err ...no there are other black people in the bar....Oh ..she refused to serve me because I am gay....errr... no there are other gays in the bar............ I refused to serve you because.............I CAN!!
http://www.morningadvertiser.co.uk/n...84871?N=598254
oh and if you are interested here is the list of people it is illegal to serve drinks to..this is usually a question the magistrates ask you when you apply for your license
1) A Policeman in uniform.
2)Anyone under the age of 18.
3)Anyone you know to be under th influence of drugs or alcohol.
4)A known prostitute.
Mar 30th 2010, 7:18 pm
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Re: Can't Stay If You're Gay, B&B Tells Couple
Yes ..the UK licensing laws are very specific about that..but as a landlord/lady you make a judgement call..there is a huge difference between a happy drunk and an aggressive 1.
But if the police wanted to be shirty they could ask for your license to be revoked if you kept "an unruly house"
I would very rarely call the police to sort out a problem in my pub because they can then deem you "unable to control the licensed premises"
But you are not breaking the law per se..it is the Landlord breaking the law..it is not illegal to have a drink if you are drunk.(unless you are deemed a "public nuisance") but it is illegal for a licenseholder to serve a drunk person
But if the police wanted to be shirty they could ask for your license to be revoked if you kept "an unruly house"
I would very rarely call the police to sort out a problem in my pub because they can then deem you "unable to control the licensed premises"
But you are not breaking the law per se..it is the Landlord breaking the law..it is not illegal to have a drink if you are drunk.(unless you are deemed a "public nuisance") but it is illegal for a licenseholder to serve a drunk person
Last edited by Patsy Stoned; Mar 30th 2010 at 7:22 pm.
Apr 1st 2010, 6:26 am
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Re: Can't Stay If You're Gay, B&B Tells Couple
That's quite some institutional discrimination. OK to serve a known rapist, robber or murderer, but to serve someone engaged in an activity which itself is not illegal is not allowed. There'd be a lot of thirstly ladies in the Ally Pally if they applied that here...
Apr 1st 2010, 8:08 pm
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Re: Can't Stay If You're Gay, B&B Tells Couple
Apr 1st 2010, 8:22 pm
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Re: Can't Stay If You're Gay, B&B Tells Couple
Yes ..the UK licensing laws are very specific about that..but as a landlord/lady you make a judgement call..there is a huge difference between a happy drunk and an aggressive 1.
But if the police wanted to be shirty they could ask for your license to be revoked if you kept "an unruly house"
I would very rarely call the police to sort out a problem in my pub because they can then deem you "unable to control the licensed premises"
But you are not breaking the law per se..it is the Landlord breaking the law..it is not illegal to have a drink if you are drunk.(unless you are deemed a "public nuisance") but it is illegal for a licenseholder to serve a drunk person
But if the police wanted to be shirty they could ask for your license to be revoked if you kept "an unruly house"
I would very rarely call the police to sort out a problem in my pub because they can then deem you "unable to control the licensed premises"
But you are not breaking the law per se..it is the Landlord breaking the law..it is not illegal to have a drink if you are drunk.(unless you are deemed a "public nuisance") but it is illegal for a licenseholder to serve a drunk person
Apr 1st 2010, 8:28 pm
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Re: Can't Stay If You're Gay, B&B Tells Couple
which is why I gave up my license and moved abroad...it used to be fairly safe being a landlady, but I knew too many licensees who had been glassed by yobs and decided it was time!
Apr 1st 2010, 8:41 pm
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Re: Can't Stay If You're Gay, B&B Tells Couple
They are beastly, the great unwashed....
Apr 3rd 2010, 9:30 pm
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Re: Can't Stay If You're Gay, B&B Tells Couple
Are you all still so sure...?
"The legal position is perfectly clear. If you are going to offer the public a commercial service – and B&Bs are a commercial service – then people cannot be refused that service on the grounds of sexuality. No one is obliged to run a B&B, but people who do so have to obey the law. "I don't think anyone, including the Tories, wants to go back to the days where there is a sign outside saying: 'No gays, no blacks, no Irish.'"
Labour said that Grayling's comments ran contrary to the Equality Act (Sexual Orientation) Regulations 2007, which state that no one should be refused goods or services on the grounds of their sexuality.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...-bed-breakfast
"The legal position is perfectly clear. If you are going to offer the public a commercial service – and B&Bs are a commercial service – then people cannot be refused that service on the grounds of sexuality. No one is obliged to run a B&B, but people who do so have to obey the law. "I don't think anyone, including the Tories, wants to go back to the days where there is a sign outside saying: 'No gays, no blacks, no Irish.'"
Labour said that Grayling's comments ran contrary to the Equality Act (Sexual Orientation) Regulations 2007, which state that no one should be refused goods or services on the grounds of their sexuality.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...-bed-breakfast
Apr 3rd 2010, 11:33 pm
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Re: Can't Stay If You're Gay, B&B Tells Couple
Oh it's truly refreshing that you even acknowledge it's position/required presence.I know you know it should be there but to comment on it's absence fills me with hope.
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Apr 4th 2010, 3:30 am
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Re: Can't Stay If You're Gay, B&B Tells Couple
Are you all still so sure...?
"The legal position is perfectly clear. If you are going to offer the public a commercial service – and B&Bs are a commercial service – then people cannot be refused that service on the grounds of sexuality. No one is obliged to run a B&B, but people who do so have to obey the law. "I don't think anyone, including the Tories, wants to go back to the days where there is a sign outside saying: 'No gays, no blacks, no Irish.'"
Labour said that Grayling's comments ran contrary to the Equality Act (Sexual Orientation) Regulations 2007, which state that no one should be refused goods or services on the grounds of their sexuality.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...-bed-breakfast
"The legal position is perfectly clear. If you are going to offer the public a commercial service – and B&Bs are a commercial service – then people cannot be refused that service on the grounds of sexuality. No one is obliged to run a B&B, but people who do so have to obey the law. "I don't think anyone, including the Tories, wants to go back to the days where there is a sign outside saying: 'No gays, no blacks, no Irish.'"
Labour said that Grayling's comments ran contrary to the Equality Act (Sexual Orientation) Regulations 2007, which state that no one should be refused goods or services on the grounds of their sexuality.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010...-bed-breakfast