Budget 2013: Who are the losers
Mar 17th 2013, 9:56 am
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Re: Budget 2013: Who are the losers
My mother didn't work, partly because she didn't need to and partly because the uprooting nature of my father's work would have made it difficult for her to establish any meaningful career. But I had friends who came from all sorts of family arrangements (you see lots of "broken" homes at boarding schools) and I can't agree there's a set pattern proving that kids from two parent, one income family will always do better than kids from one parent/no income family or whatever you have it. I knew spoiled rotten brats whose mothers were affluent housewives and other spoiled brats whose single mothers worked themselves to the bone to support their families.
There are mitigating factors (money helps by a long shot) but having good, responsible parents goes a long way in turning out responsible kids. But the kids themselves having some degree of intelligence also helps. I can think of families where the parents were terrific, two of the kids turned out great but one child made a wreck of his life. Who's to blame here?
There are mitigating factors (money helps by a long shot) but having good, responsible parents goes a long way in turning out responsible kids. But the kids themselves having some degree of intelligence also helps. I can think of families where the parents were terrific, two of the kids turned out great but one child made a wreck of his life. Who's to blame here?
Mar 17th 2013, 9:59 am
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Re: Budget 2013: Who are the losers
I don't think anyone is saying in a blanket generalisation that if your parents work you will turn out an awful human being. However I think it is arguable that it is ideal to have 2 parents who have the time to be parents.
I'm also not saying that all working parents do not have time to be with their kids but it is more challenging.
Being a parent just sucks, it doesn't matter what situation you're in, you're going to **** them up in some way or at least feel guilty.
How this relates to the budget is that non working parents are penalised for making the decision to stay home and raise their kids. I'm not talking about people on unemployment benefits choosing to be unemployed (I maintain this, in general, is the exception rather than the rule) i'm talking about the families that have one parent not working. By incentivising both parents to go out to work suggests the Government is not even paying lip services to their rhetoric of looking after hard working families, and family being important, broken britain blah blah bullshit.
I'm also not saying that all working parents do not have time to be with their kids but it is more challenging.
Being a parent just sucks, it doesn't matter what situation you're in, you're going to **** them up in some way or at least feel guilty.
How this relates to the budget is that non working parents are penalised for making the decision to stay home and raise their kids. I'm not talking about people on unemployment benefits choosing to be unemployed (I maintain this, in general, is the exception rather than the rule) i'm talking about the families that have one parent not working. By incentivising both parents to go out to work suggests the Government is not even paying lip services to their rhetoric of looking after hard working families, and family being important, broken britain blah blah bullshit.
Mar 17th 2013, 10:00 am
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Re: Budget 2013: Who are the losers
My mother didn't work, partly because she didn't need to and partly because the uprooting nature of my father's work would have made it difficult for her to establish any meaningful career. But I had friends who came from all sorts of family arrangements (you see lots of "broken" homes at boarding schools) and I can't agree there's a set pattern proving that kids from two parent, one income family will always do better than kids from one parent/no income family or whatever you have it. I knew spoiled rotten brats whose mothers were affluent housewives and other spoiled brats whose single mothers worked themselves to the bone to support their families.
There are mitigating factors (money helps by a long shot) but having good, responsible parents goes a long way in turning out responsible kids. But the kids themselves having some degree of intelligence also helps. I can think of families where the parents were terrific, two of the kids turned out great but one child made a wreck of his life. Who's to blame here?
There are mitigating factors (money helps by a long shot) but having good, responsible parents goes a long way in turning out responsible kids. But the kids themselves having some degree of intelligence also helps. I can think of families where the parents were terrific, two of the kids turned out great but one child made a wreck of his life. Who's to blame here?
Mar 17th 2013, 10:01 am
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Mar 17th 2013, 10:25 am
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This is one of those points where the current financial situation isn't workable with one parent working, one being the homemaker. The financial system would of course have to change to reflect that 'ideal' which may be a good move for society, bringing our kids up to be useful/responsible members of society in the main (shift the percentage, I'm not saying it's black and white only) But then we have to accept liberalism and the media pumped into our homes, plus the internet (ps. I'm for the shift of pron to.xxx domain and parents able to lock out that domain in their routers, although with grown up kids returning home due to the financial climate that kicks off uncomfortable chats with the 'rents')
My mother (two parent family) didn't work, then worked. I remember coming home a latchkey kid and everything turning to crap with no guidance around (not saying I was bad, I just wasted those years) I went to boarding school a few years, and I'm a parent myself (divorced now) and of course with education in mind (schooling and societal) I've long thought about this situation.
Our varying ideas on the situation may all be right, but change needs real change. A lot of values would need to alter to provide the best situation and I don't think our current government, or any of them, are going to do anything that helps the people and society. So, it's all theory right now. I'm no Lefty either, so don't think this is marxist ranting
I live in a country that is supposed to be, "all about the family" and so this topic frequently comes up, no?
My mother (two parent family) didn't work, then worked. I remember coming home a latchkey kid and everything turning to crap with no guidance around (not saying I was bad, I just wasted those years) I went to boarding school a few years, and I'm a parent myself (divorced now) and of course with education in mind (schooling and societal) I've long thought about this situation.
Our varying ideas on the situation may all be right, but change needs real change. A lot of values would need to alter to provide the best situation and I don't think our current government, or any of them, are going to do anything that helps the people and society. So, it's all theory right now. I'm no Lefty either, so don't think this is marxist ranting
I live in a country that is supposed to be, "all about the family" and so this topic frequently comes up, no?
Mar 17th 2013, 10:38 am
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Re: Budget 2013: Who are the losers
Mar 17th 2013, 10:40 am
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Re: Budget 2013: Who are the losers
Dunno, after I heard the production of Pot Noodles was coming back to Leeds since wages were increasing over there I kind of guessed they'd done something right for once.
