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Old Jun 22nd 2010, 8:13 am
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Aaarghh! Just reading the "Is Britain really united" thread and horrified at the gross ignorance, so here's an explanation of terms:

"The British Isles" is a geographic term describing the set of islands. It includes ALL of Ireland, the "main island" of Great Britain + Shetlands, Orkneys, Isle of Man, etc. The Channel Islands however are outside this geography.

"Great Britain" is the largest island of the group and includes most of the land mass of England, Scotland and Wales. It is also a geographic term.

"The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" is a political term describing the sovereign state. It includes the six counties of Northern Ireland which are not part of Eire and the vast majority of the other islands in the British Isles. Some of the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man however are not in fact part of the UK but dependencies with loyalty to the British monarch.

For mathematicians, here it is as a Venn diagram:



Added note: red text is geographical, blue is political

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Originally Posted by ctfc View Post
Aaarghh! Just reading the "Is Britain really united" thread and horrified at the gross ignorance, so here's an explanation of terms:

"The British Isles" is a geographic term describing the set of islands. It includes ALL of Ireland, the "main island" of Great Britain + Shetlands, Orkneys, Isle of Man, etc. The Channel Islands however are outside this geography.

"Great Britain" is the largest island of the group and includes most of the land mass of England, Scotland and Wales. It is also a geographic term.

"The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" is a political term describing the sovereign state. It includes the six counties of Northern Ireland which are not part of Eire and the vast majority of the other islands in the British Isles. Some of the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man however are not in fact part of the UK but dependencies with loyalty to the British monarch.

For mathematicians, here it is as a Venn diagram:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...nn_Diagram.png
So, why is England and Wales in one rugby ball when they have separate teams??? And everybody else are is in footballs, like init????
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So, why is England and Wales in one rugby ball when they have separate teams??? And everybody else are is in footballs, like init????
The jocks suck more at rugby. And it would appear all constituent parts suck pretty much equally at football.

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So, why is England and Wales in one rugby ball when they have separate teams??? And everybody else are is in footballs, like init????
The site I pinched the pic from has more detail. It's to do with England and Wales having the same legal system (despite the attempts of the Welsh Assembly and Plaid Cymru), whilst Scotland has a separate legal system.

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Wales is a principality, or something. In cricket, England is actually England and Wales.
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In cricket, England is actually England and Wales.
And law.
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Originally Posted by ctfc View Post
Aaarghh! Just reading the "Is Britain really united" thread and horrified at the gross ignorance, so here's an explanation of terms:

"The British Isles" is a geographic term describing the set of islands. It includes ALL of Ireland, the "main island" of Great Britain + Shetlands, Orkneys, Isle of Man, etc. The Channel Islands however are outside this geography.

"Great Britain" is the largest island of the group and includes most of the land mass of England, Scotland and Wales. It is also a geographic term.

"The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland" is a political term describing the sovereign state. It includes the six counties of Northern Ireland which are not part of Eire and the vast majority of the other islands in the British Isles. Some of the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man however are not in fact part of the UK but dependencies with loyalty to the British monarch.

For mathematicians, here it is as a Venn diagram:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...nn_Diagram.png
Horrified you may be, but I think you pinched this off the wrong website.

So, the Isle of Wight isn't part of Great Britain?
"It includes the six counties of Northern Ireland which are not part of Eire and the vast..." as opposed to the other counties of Northern Ireland which are part of Eire?

And I'm not a mathematician--am I allowed to read the Venn thingy, or should I look away now?
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Originally Posted by Bahtatboy View Post
Horrified you may be, but I think you pinched this off the wrong website.

So, the Isle of Wight isn't part of Great Britain?
"It includes the six counties of Northern Ireland which are not part of Eire and the vast..." as opposed to the other counties of Northern Ireland which are part of Eire?

And I'm not a mathematician--am I allowed to read the Venn thingy, or should I look away now?
It was only the Venn diagram I pinched.

Your statement is correct - the Isle of Wight isn't part of Great Britain. "Great Britain" is just the main island. The Isle of Wight is however part of the UK and part of the British Isles.

The same is true for Anglesey, Isle of Sheppey, Lundy, Skye etc.
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Where's Cornwall?

Dammit we of the Cornish blood deserve to be recognised.
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It was only the Venn diagram I pinched.

Your statement is correct - the Isle of Wight isn't part of Great Britain. "Great Britain" is just the main island. The Isle of Wight is however part of the UK and part of the British Isles.

The same is true for Anglesey, Isle of Sheppey, Lundy, Skye etc.
Geographically you're right, politically I'm right (because GB is both a geographic and a political term--otherwise you couldn't have UK=GB+NI). However, I think Canvey Island should be treated differently...
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"It includes the six counties of Northern Ireland which are not part of Eire and the vast..." as opposed to the other counties of Northern Ireland which are part of Eire?

And I'm not a mathematician--am I allowed to read the Venn thingy, or should I look away now?
Point taken, should have just read "six counties of Ireland", though northern with a small "n" would have done it since Ulster has nine counties and only six are part of the UK and the northernmost one is part of Eire.
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So how does Little Britian fit into all of this?
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We'll call it a draw then.

I made these explanations so many times when I lived in Japan; the words they have are Eikoku and Igirisu, which mean more-or-less anything you want. So out came the pen and beermat, and crude maps trying to explain UK. Don't think any of them had heard of Wales. They'd have got the Venn diagram, though.
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We'll call it a draw then.

I made these explanations so many times when I lived in Japan; the words they have are Eikoku and Igirisu, which mean more-or-less anything you want. So out came the pen and beermat, and crude maps trying to explain UK. Don't think any of them had heard of Wales. They'd have got the Venn diagram, though.
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So how does Little Britian fit into all of this?
...and the Isle of Dogs, mate?
....and does CTFC stand for Cheltenham Town FC or Crawley Town FC?
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