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Old Feb 16th 2009, 6:30 am
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A Royal Navy nuclear submarine collided with a French one in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean, it has been reported.

HMS Vanguard, Royal Navy nuclear submarine



The crash between HMS Vanguard and France's Le Triomphant - both carrying atomic weapons - is believed to have occurred on February 3 or 4, The Sun claimed.

Despite being equipped with sonar to detect other vessels, neither submarine apparently realised the other was in the same part of the ocean.

A senior Navy source told the newspaper the potential consequences of such a collision were "unthinkable".

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Old Feb 16th 2009, 7:32 am
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staggering that this could happen, but things similar to this DO happen on an alarming regularity, mostly it just never makes the news
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Submarine traffic control needed?

Anyway you could rescue subs from the depths of the ocean. I think the Americans did it once.
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Anyway you could rescue subs from the depths of the ocean. I think the Americans did it once.
And the Russians didnt.
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And the Russians didnt.
but they could have...but it would have meant admitting a problem...
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but they could have...but it would have meant admitting a problem...
Agreed, both the British and Norwegians had teams and rescue equipment ready to help , but were refused permission to help from the Russians.

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Agreed, both the British and Norwegians had teams and rescue equipment ready to help , but were refused permission to help from the Russians.

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exactly..

The British team was based out of Greenock if i recall correctly, i was working in the Comms centre in Faslane when it happened.

well i was actually on the golf course skiving when i recieved the message to urgently get my arse back to sort out some emergency circuits..

as it transpires, by that time, it was all too late anyway.

No doubts, apart from the people killed in the initial blast, the rest could have been saved.
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exactly..

The British team was based out of Greenock if i recall correctly, i was working in the Comms centre in Faslane when it happened.

well i was actually on the golf course skiving when i recieved the message to urgently get my arse back to sort out some emergency circuits..

as it transpires, by that time, it was all too late anyway.

No doubts, apart from the people killed in the initial blast, the rest could have been saved.
Indeed, 22-25 were in the rear compartments and had certainly survived for a reasonable amount of time as they had written notes,
However the Russian Oscar II class submarines suffered from a leakage around the propeller shafts in depths greater than 100 metres if the props were not turning..therefore their fate was sealed.
What a sad loss of life due to pride.
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The Americans recovered a Russian sub once (or at least attempted to), courtesy of Howard Hughes.
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Remember Kursk?..That many believed collided with an US submarine.


Although it has never been admitted to, it would seem most likely that some sort of collision took place, an accident which set up a chain of events that led to the loss of the Kursk and her crew. Just because the mass of the Kursk was much greater than the USS Toledo doesn't automatically mean the US submarine would be destroyed and the Kursk left unaffected in every collision scenario.

The first divers down reported seeing large gouges along the top of the Kursk, and some damage to her tail fin, damage which wasn't consistent with the 2 explosions or impact with the sea bed, but with the Kursk colliding with a large underwater object.

The USS Toledo was seen leaving the general area of the Barents Sea and made her way, at low speed, to a Norwegian port, one not usually outfitted for servicing large nuclear submarines. Russian satellite images appeared to show she had sustained severe damage to her bow. The Toledo later sailed to a covered dock at Southampton in the UK.

The "torpedo hole" originally shown on Russian state television when the Kursk was recovered to dry dock, and which formed the basis of a conspiracy theory that the Kursk was torpedoed by one of the US submarines, was probably a result of the collision. It was located in the centre of a larger concave depression, a visible 'thump' to the Kursk's outer (thinner) hull, and the hole's rim was bent inwards along one edge, with the edges melted, perhaps by the friction involved.

A collision could have led to a fire and explosion onboard the Kursk. It may even have caused an instability in the HCT test torpedo, which the official inquiry blamed for the disaster. The Kursk was found with her periscope up, indicating the Captain intended to surface, but the Kursk may have taken on water after the first explosion, and plunged to the sea bed in relatively shallow waters, but with enough momentum to plough her bow 2 metres into the sea bed and detonate several of her warheads with the force of the 14,000 ton nose-down impact.

Shortly after the disaster President Clinton wrote off $12 billion of Russian debt, the so-called "Pentagon's missing millions", this was probably to appease Putin and stave off a serious international incident. The Russians were basically compensated over the loss of their flagship submarine with all hands due to the recklessness of the American hit & run submarine commander. There has been a long history of US submarines colliding with Russian submarines, the US government even admitted to one such event, but on this occasion, with a total loss resulting from it, it would be thought politically wise to keep quiet and play it like it had been an internal accident.
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*allegedly*, an unnamed US submarine with damage to its bow sailed up the gare loch under the cover of darkness into Faslane and straight into the trident repair facility (fully covered and away from prying eyes)

This was not on any movements forms kicking around Faslane so was a last minute emergency job.


Conspiracy theorists marvel at this. Read my origonal post, damage to subs is a pretty common thing.

Never heard of a damaged US sub going into any other port in UK?
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*allegedly*, an unnamed US submarine with damage to its bow sailed up the gare loch under the cover of darkness into Faslane and straight into the trident repair facility (fully covered and away from prying eyes)

This was not on any movements forms kicking around Faslane so was a last minute emergency job.


Conspiracy theorists marvel at this. Read my origonal post, damage to subs is a pretty common thing.

Never heard of a damaged US sub going into any other port in UK?
Bloody French drivers eh !
This is what happens when you drive on the right !!!
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Bloody French drivers eh !
This is what happens when you drive on the right !!!
AA warn motorists to watch out for submarines.

"What you're looking for is an enormous black metal tube, 150m long with French number plates," says spokesman.
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