Miss Ann Thrope

I'm truly sorry for you if you feel that comment is subtle or witty, but anyway, as you keep banging on about the "hole" in the budget, again, let's look at the facts (links below):

EU budget 2017: eur157.86bn
Net UK contribution 2017: GBP8.1bn ~ eur8.9bn

That's just under 6% of the EU budget. Considerable, to be sure, but hardly catastrophic. Nothing compared say, to the cuts that local authorities in England have had to endure to their central government funding in recent years.

There are a few other considerations which thoughtful (invariably EU) public figures have also raised, for example replacing the UK's participation in current common security forums which may generate more net costs for the EU. On the other hand there will be a reduced administrative overhead from the removal of a large population bloc, salary and administrative costs for UK MEPs and representation on various EU bodies etc.

Consider also that the EU budget represents just about 1% of the EU's GNI so the overall economic impact will be limited. Indeed the negative economic impact on the rest of the EU caused by the UK falling out of the single market and customs union will likely be greater than the impact of the so-called "budget hole". But even that will be dwarfed by the negative economic impact on the UK.

EU budget for 2017 - Consilium

The UK's contribution to the EU budget - Commons Library briefing - UK Parliament

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...n-commissioner (not unusually, the article contents are far more nuanced than the silly headline)

Arnold S

Getting our country back then.

scrubbedexpat141

So the UK will boom by deliberately not having easy access to the worlds largest single market economy?

uk_grenada

First read, then comment, oh no, i forget - take the bremoan glasses off first.

Does the eu wish to pay more in tariffs or for ip? Will sense prevail in babel, i doubt it. Every brake on every car on this planet pays girling [lucas uk] or lockheed [usa] same for trillions of processors a year designed in the uk by arm.

I think you may be disappointed when you work out where the profits actually being made in 'the worlds largest market?'.

I prefer most of the world as trading partners vs most of europe.

PS of course respond, but not to me, i'm off to play another game here.

scrubbedexpat141

The world will crumble when we're free of the EU because of car brakes.

I think I've heard it all now.

Dubaiexile

Therein lies the rub, as Spain is expected to use their Veto on this point (cutting their noses off etc), but as I said this is just one sector of industry..interesting times ahead...not1

scrubbedexpat141

Absolutely. The 'Insert Country Here' can be very spiteful if they want, probably by wanting to punish the Brits.

Similarly.

The 'Insert Country Here' aren't dumb, they know they need our tourism.

Probably similar cases in every single industry, no matter how big or small.

uk_grenada

From the 2nd...

How fickle are brits planning holidays?

When the FO says 'dont visit tunisia,[insert country here i guess] its dangerous' we decimated their economy.

Spain wouldnt be that bad for spain [i think] greece or portugal less sure. Something similar happened to egypt.

If it became common knowledge that spain was trying to maliciously hurt the uk, attacking poor little gib for example, i can just see the campaign in the 'news of the sun' to boycott them, and that might seriously dent that countrys finances? Tourist operations move countries at the drop of a hat if they think thats what the customers want.

Similarly - dont buy french fries said the americans... And they were american products!

scrubbedexpat141

So an extra tarriff on flight prices will stop people travelling to Spain? The same people who go to Tunisia even though the FCO say it's "dangerous"?

I imagine prices will remain competitive and Brits will continue to flock to the Spain type countries and their resorts.

uk_grenada

Scamp - read the items - please before spouting - this has nothing to do with tariffs, and i just said, nobody goes places once the fo says not to, they cant anyway, the flights stop and insurance isnt effective.

Spain type includes plenty of non eu locations that may well become even more attractive politically.

ExpatAl

I did have a good chuckle watching Euronews' coverage of the Pro-EU march in London when a woman exclaimed 'Brexit will return Britain to a third world country'

Return...?

uk_grenada

I may think its rubbish, but i do applaud their right to do it. How does one protest for a repeal of the alcohol laws in Dubai? [just being cheeky now, here drunk driving actually isnt a crime...]

scrubbedexpat141

Honestly, I think we're missing each other.....not necessarily your fault or anyone else but the fault of trying to have a complex debate on the tinterweb lacking normal speech indicators.

Let's just leave it as an agree to disagree rather than argue pointlessly?

Proper little chuckle at this.

Dubaiexile

Beg to differ, a lot of the places I go to are on the FO list as do not go!! I go as my work takes me there, and why would you say they cannot anyway, FO cannot ban flights to certain countries!!

FO issues advice that is all , if you choose not to take it then that is down to you, and if you have ever been to an embassy overseas for help you would know what a wasted time and effort that would be, before you bring that one up!

TheSilverFox

Sorry but just having read your posts, your comments are amazing in their avoidance of reality.

I don't bemoan Brexit, I do lament it. No one is going to be better off, despite your bizarre argument about car brakes! The EU and the UK will suffer and until this is agreed then sensible debate cannot happen. (The residents in the UK are suffering already, as I pointed out above).

Having discussed Brexit with a number of EU Government officials, there is zero sympathy for the UK. That may be difficult to accept but Spain or Ireland or France will not be allowed make special deals on tourism, for example, unless the entire EU approve it. That's as likely as Mr Farage becoming Prime Minister.

It may feel better to be out of the EU club but whether it will improve the living standards of residents is unlikely, but you're free to believe anything you wish to.