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Old Sep 13th 2017, 10:30 pm
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What's interesting is how the "Project Fear" tag became attached exclusively to the Remain side. Why is that? Leave didn't only promise an easy Brexit that would shower us all with unicorns and gold, it actively tried to scare people with lies about what would happen if we didn't leave the EU.
You have to understand, in govt project fear was a real actual project persued with lies innuendo and half truths in really a scandalous way for politicians in power to behave. The brexit stuff was later and not an official policy - but an attempt at a fightback.

I feel that In other jurisdictions there would be a case to take these liars in power to court but not in the uk.
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Old Sep 14th 2017, 5:05 am
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You have to understand, in govt project fear was a real actual project persued with lies innuendo and half truths in really a scandalous way for politicians in power to behave. The brexit stuff was later and not an official policy - but an attempt at a fightback.

I feel that In other jurisdictions there would be a case to take these liars in power to court but not in the uk.
What you have just posted is such rubbish it's offensive.

Why do you bother? Do you really believe this garbage?
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I guess project fear got to be a thing because remain was inevitably suggesting things that *might* happen in the future, rather than trying to claim things that already were. The lies on the other side were primarily to do with whipping up low skilled, poorly educated people because those were the core demographic needed to get the vote in. Hence the focus on £350m for the NHS, suggestions that the country was swamped with immigrants, that they were taking jobs from UK citizens, etc.

Low skilled people are always going to earn sh1t money. That's a fact of life. It's not because of immigrants, it's because they have no skills as a result of being lazy and having a poor attitude at school, spending most time bunking off and wandering the streets in shell-suits vandalizing things and smoking. The reason EU workers are taking unskilled jobs in London, is because these lazy, useless people complaining there are no jobs in their sh1thole former mining village in Wales won't get on a train and go move to London, because they think it's the state's job to provide them a high paid job at the end of their street, because they are British.

Far from kicking immigrants out, we'd be far better off figuring out a way to offload the useless, lazy members of the UK population, and top up our gene pool with hardworking people who are not scared of hard work, and quickly learn the language and fit in. Especially the hot girls from eastern and southern Europe.
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Old Sep 14th 2017, 8:42 am
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You have to understand, in govt project fear was a real actual project persued with lies innuendo and half truths in really a scandalous way for politicians in power to behave
So what semi-literate extensively-tattooed "we want are cuntry back" social media hellhole did you learn that particular piece of bullshit from?

And if you want real lies, innuendo and half-truths, look no further than the Leave campaign and the preceding decades of drip-drip-drip anti-EU mythologising.
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Far from kicking immigrants out, we'd be far better off figuring out a way to offload the useless, lazy members of the UK population, and top up our gene pool with hardworking people who are not scared of hard work, and quickly learn the language and fit in. Especially the hot girls from eastern and southern Europe.
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Project Fear (or Better Together) worked for the UK in the Scottish Independence Referendum. I find it interesting that many who voted against Scottish Independence voted to leave the EU. Yes, I'm opening that can of wurrums.
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Project Fear (or Better Together) worked for the UK in the Scottish Independence Referendum. I find it interesting that many who voted against Scottish Independence voted to leave the EU. Yes, I'm opening that can of wurrums.
It's because the vast majority of scots are:-

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It's not because of immigrants, it's because they have no skills as a result of being lazy and having a poor attitude at school, spending most time bunking off and wandering the streets in shell-suits vandalizing things and smoking.
And Buckfast. Obviously.
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What you have just posted is such rubbish it's offensive.

Why do you bother? Do you really believe this garbage?
Because its true, just read any serious uk newspaper [no not the sun or the guardian.] if you cant see that you are either highly politically motivated or blind to it.

Did you not see the press coverage at the time about the level of this misinformation? For a few weeks before the vote it was as though fake news had suddenly become the norm for government.

Ps - plenty of descriptions in the times but you have to have my subs to read them, heres the indie - but dyor - just google it. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7101841.html

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Anyone listen to Juncker's recent speech on the EU? He called for a directly elected EU president and a EU fiscal minister among other things.

It's pretty obvious that the EU is hellbent on one thing and one thing only: much closer integration and transfer of more and more powers from the states to the EU itself. Is that something you all want? Just wondering....

The one thing many remainers continue to ignore is that voting remain was not voting for the status quo, because there is no status quo with the EU.
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Anyone listen to Juncker's recent speech on the EU? He called for a directly elected EU president and a EU fiscal minister among other things.

It's pretty obvious that the EU is hellbent on one thing and one thing only: much closer integration and transfer of more and more powers from the states to the EU itself. Is that something you all want? Just wondering....

The one thing many remainers continue to ignore is that voting remain was not voting for the status quo, because there is no status quo with the EU.
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Anyone listen to Juncker's recent speech on the EU? He called for a directly elected EU president and a EU fiscal minister among other things.

It's pretty obvious that the EU is hellbent on one thing and one thing only: much closer integration and transfer of more and more powers from the states to the EU itself. Is that something you all want? Just wondering....

The one thing many remainers continue to ignore is that voting remain was not voting for the status quo, because there is no status quo with the EU.
Well by that definition there is no status quo for anything as the world keeps changing. But to bite on your straw man (while noting that that mixed metaphor sounds like something you might have seen in the dodgier bits of Berlin), any such changes would require the approval of all members so if the UK didn't agree it could have stopped it.
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Well by that definition there is no status quo for anything as the world keeps changing. But to bite on your straw man (while noting that that mixed metaphor sounds like something you might have seen in the dodgier bits of Berlin), any such changes would require the approval of all members so if the UK didn't agree it could have stopped it.
At this point why would britain care about this, british mep's are hurriedly trying to get back into uk politics or find a further gravy train in the commission. I do like the way that involving the electorate or even mep's is avoided in these plans, so democratic.
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