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Old Nov 26th 2013, 8:02 am
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Why stop at banning the burqua...?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-mosques.html
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Good for them, about bloody time someone said enough to that ethnosupremacist religion that has genocided countless others cultures.


Saudi does not allow non Muslims to become citizens or even build permanent places of worship. Neither do any of the other GCC countries (far as I'm aware).

Maldives does not grant citizenship to non Muslims

Pakistan is waging slow motion genocide on non Muslims and Shia

Egypt saw and continues to see pogroms against the Copts by Islamists.

In Malaysia and Indonesia, the non Malays know 'their place' and Islam is intrinsically linked to Malay identity.

Christians will be cleansed if the rebels win in Syria

Iraqis ethnically cleansed much of their Christian population after the Iraq War.

Sudan's Arab regime waged a genocidal war against the Christian and Black Sudanese.

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There I said it! And just to be clear, my issue is with the religion and not the everyday Muslim.

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Old Nov 26th 2013, 3:33 pm
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Unfortunately Afghanistan is going backwards, Afghanistan 'plans to reintroduce public stoning as punishment for adultery' by law!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-adultery.html
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Old Nov 26th 2013, 10:21 pm
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Unfortunately Afghanistan is going backwards, Afghanistan 'plans to reintroduce public stoning as punishment for adultery' by law!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-adultery.html
Islam is conducive to maintaining Bronze Age tribal patriarchal culture . Men can do all manner of mysogynistic crap and hide behind Islam.
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Originally Posted by Boomhauer View Post
Good for them, about bloody time someone said enough to that ethnosupremacist religion that has genocided countless others cultures.


Saudi does not allow non Muslims to become citizens or even build permanent places of worship. Neither do any of the other GCC countries (far as I'm aware).

UAE allows churches (Jebel Ali and BurDubai). Permanent structures that actually look like churches once you're inside. I have a funny feeling that Bahrain also has a Church somewhere.


Maldives does not grant citizenship to non Muslims

Pakistan is waging slow motion genocide on non Muslims and Shia

Egypt saw and continues to see pogroms against the Copts by Islamists.

In Malaysia and Indonesia, the non Malays know 'their place' and Islam is intrinsically linked to Malay identity.

Christians will be cleansed if the rebels win in Syria

Iraqis ethnically cleansed much of their Christian population after the Iraq War.

Sudan's Arab regime waged a genocidal war against the Christian and Black Sudanese.

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There I said it! And just to be clear, my issue is with the religion and not the everyday Muslim.
Minor correction there
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Minor correction there
When I say permanent, I mean it is there to stay indefinitely . The Catholic Church in AD (St. Josephs) is built of concrete and rebar so one can say it is permanent from a structural standpoint but I am talking permanent from a legal & cultural standpoint. St. Josephs serves the migrant/expat community and thus is only there temporarily, I.E. there is no permanent Christian community so no permanent church.

The locals know they can kick out the Christians when they want and the church would be gone too or they can demolish the church when they want like they did to the original St.Josephs back when it was at the Corniche.

Now I left long ago and was/am not aware of any Christian community with UAE citizenship..
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Originally Posted by Boomhauer View Post
When I say permanent, I mean it is there to stay indefinitely . The Catholic Church in AD (St. Josephs) is built of concrete and rebar so one can say it is permanent from a structural standpoint but I am talking permanent from a legal & cultural standpoint. St. Josephs serves the migrant/expat community and thus is only there temporarily, I.E. there is no permanent Christian community so no permanent church.

The locals know they can kick out the Christians when they want and the church would be gone too or they can demolish the church when they want like they did to the original St.Josephs back when it was at the Corniche.

Now I left long ago and was/am not aware of any Christian community with UAE citizenship..
Fair point and I understand what you are saying. However, there is a pretty vibrant Christian community especially among the Flips in Dubai who are very regular church goers and face no issues whatsoever.

My point was that there is little or no restriction In the UAE compared to the medieval Magic Kingdom or World Cup City etc.
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Originally Posted by Boomhauer View Post
Good for them, about bloody time someone said enough to that ethnosupremacist religion that has genocided countless others cultures.


Saudi does not allow non Muslims to become citizens or even build permanent places of worship. Neither do any of the other GCC countries (far as I'm aware).

Maldives does not grant citizenship to non Muslims

Pakistan is waging slow motion genocide on non Muslims and Shia

Egypt saw and continues to see pogroms against the Copts by Islamists.

In Malaysia and Indonesia, the non Malays know 'their place' and Islam is intrinsically linked to Malay identity.

Christians will be cleansed if the rebels win in Syria

Iraqis ethnically cleansed much of their Christian population after the Iraq War.

Sudan's Arab regime waged a genocidal war against the Christian and Black Sudanese.

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There I said it! And just to be clear, my issue is with the religion and not the everyday Muslim.
I think my position on this subject is very clear

If the article is true then Angola have done little more than what a good number of Islamic countries do to one degree or another. Angola is protecting it's culture and religion by doing this in my view.

I bet that a lot of people in Europe secretly wish they had the balls to do this. They won't say it though because it's 'racist'.

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Fair point and I understand what you are saying. However, there is a pretty vibrant Christian community especially among the Flips in Dubai who are very regular church goers and face no issues whatsoever.

My point was that there is little or no restriction In the UAE compared to the medieval Magic Kingdom or World Cup City etc.
2 catholic churches serving over 500,000 Filipinos and other Catholics, one of those being a real pain in the arse to get to.

compare that to over 1500 registered mosques in the UK for 2.8 million muslims
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Originally Posted by Boomhauer View Post
Islam is conducive to maintaining Bronze Age tribal patriarchal culture . Men can do all manner of mysogynistic crap and hide behind Islam.
Be fair, it's more 7th century than Bronze Age.

As for hiding behind the religion...well it's in the religion so they are actually just taking certain parts more literally than others.

Meanwhile this week the Pope wants major reforms and is up for debate on separating the Church from the Vatican. Who would have thought?

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People should be free to practice whatever religion they want...

Just what is it that you want to do?
We wanna be free
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That's what we're gonna do
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2 catholic churches serving over 500,000 Filipinos and other Catholics, one of those being a real pain in the arse to get to.

compare that to over 1500 registered mosques in the UK for 2.8 million muslims
And the majority of the Muslim in the UK are fellow citizens with full rights before the law as people whose ancestors have inhabited the isles since the last ice age. Not to mention it would incredibly difficult to expel Muslims who would work against the state, culture and laws of the land - the UAE can deport any foreigner at any time for any reason.

A few churches dotted about for expats is not a sign of tolerance - it's a sign of putting up with needed foreign workers until they can hopefully get rid of them or enslave them as they would actually like to do.

The only Muslim states in the middle east with Christian citizens are in places where Christian enclaves have held out 1400 years of onslaught, peaceful and otherwise. Most of these Christians (not unlike the Jews of the middle east) have been in those places since before Islam existed. Clearly their fellows converted a long time ago or were simply killed/replaced.

Incidentally if you care to listen to any Muslim fundamentalist in Britain they want the same thing for us.

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Originally Posted by saudiflares View Post
People should be free to practice whatever religion they want...

I agree. But the penalty for apostacy in Islam is death. Even when not applied it rarely goes well for those who want to leave.

I'd also add that the right of everyone to believe in any religion they wish ends where the rights of other religions and the non-religious begin. This is why secular governance is the only way to protect everyone's freedoms - but some beliefs (those that seek political power and domination of others) would have to adjust under such a system.

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Originally Posted by saudiflares View Post
People should be free to practice whatever religion they want...
That's fine , just as long as the religion is not supremacist and does not threatens the local culture. There is no shortage of cases of Islam warring with Christians and Animists in Africa, so why should Angola commit suicide.

Why must one tolerate and accept intolerant idologies.
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Originally Posted by Boomhauer View Post
That's fine , just as long as the religion is not supremacist and does not threatens the local culture. There is no shortage of cases of Islam warring with Christians and Animists in Africa, so why should Angola commit suicide.

Why must one tolerate and accept intolerant idologies.
That excludes one Abrahamic religion and puts another on a watch list...ahem.

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