britexpat76

There was also no Nadal.

Autonomy

True, however Murray has beaten all three of them, several times. The big thing is to beat two of them back to back in the same event. He hadn't done that until the this event.

britexpat76

Thats true, though Nadal has beaten Murray 13/18 times. More than any other professional.

MacScot

Er..England does not have one at the moment ...it is governed by direct rule by the British Government.

scrubbedexpat141

Not so much when it suits, it is more about GB medal haul. I'd love our little group of nations to finish amongst / above big sporting nations. Every medal helps that.

I said ABM once. Around the Wimbledon period. It's the height of delusion in the British tennis calendar. I just don't think he is good enough. Period. I think he is overrated and isn't able to consistently beat Djok/Nadal/Fed etc. Two of those face each other in a slam and you don't know who will win (taking surfaces out of it). Yes, Murray has a reasonable record against Federer but not when it matters. Yes, he has won tour titles and made lots of tour money, but until he is a grand slam winner, he can't be considered a great / champion. Yeah he is dull as dishwater but that is his problem, not mine or yours.

Having an opinion on something doesn't mean I read the Mail or The Sun or The Times or The Telegraph etc. (I generally look through them all online, well, not the Times, but sometimes the Observer and occasionally the Daily Echo just to see which block of flats has had a fire in Southampton).

I've met your wife, she seemed nice when I bought some spicy jelly off her, so you can't be a complete bellend. It's obviously one of those things that we could debate and argue and bicker over until we die. Next meet up, we can get all Olympian and do some Greco-Roman Wrestling?

Millhouse is not to be touched. Someone once said something about the size of the dog / size of the fight or something.

scrubbedexpat141

I will. I'll stick my neck out and say he won't win. But I'll certainly look out for it.

britexpat76

Sorry, my bad. British Government in London........

commander

Ok, firstly apologies for the cheap shot. Given your user name, i made an assumption that you are a sheep shagger from Aberdeen..correct?

Given your statement above, i assume then you have boycotted watching the Olympics where all the athletes are representing GB. Andy Murray, Chris Hoy etc are competing for GB, not Scotland.

Ill go as far to make an assumption that if you happened to be at a level within a chosen sport to be selected to represent GB at the Olympics, you would refuse as you "don't know what it is to be British, what is British culture or heritage or 'Britishiness"

Rest assured, i am as Scottish as you my friend, i just dont buy into this 'we are not British' argument. We are and always will be.

When i get asked where im from i always reply Scotland, Great Britain.

Anyway, its a debate that goes on and on and will continue to..

PS..regarding Murray singing GSTQ, I have counted so many English athlete's representing GB not singing it....does that make them anti- british....No of course it doesnt. Maybe they just cant sing.

commander

re-read my post. I sing it when it is sung in the context of GB. It pisses me of that England have GSTQ as their national anthem. Should be something by Chaz and Dave.

Of course i love the Monarchy. I have met many of them in my past life and served on ships with one of them.

I believe macscot has corrected your mistake about the government..

Millhouse

Leave me out of this, or I'll be forced to do my trademark headbutt to the nuts.

The Dean

England DOESN'T have GSTQ as its National Anthem - the whole UK does. It's just that other regions (Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland) make up their own to establish some sort of 'identity'. Flower of Scotland?? Wasn't that a folk song by The Corries or someone??

mikelincs

England uses Land of Hope and Glory at the 6 nations matches. At the last Commonwealth games in 2010 they used Jerusalem. Flower of Scotland was written by one of the Corries, and only in 1967, which makes it the youngest of the anthems.

commander

I could be wrong but I seem to remember 'scotland the brave' being played at games instead of flower of Scotland?

mikelincs

Yes 'Scotland the Brave' has been used as well as 'Flower of Scotland' and others, this link tells all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower_of_Scotland

britexpat76

True, though as commander rightly said the England football team use it, which is most probably why the other nations making up the UK dislike it.