Autonomy

+1 x 1,000 Great post.

britexpat76

And he sung the National Anthem, not many Scotsmen would do that. As I put on my facebook, I hated the morose twat before today but it was about team GB so I cheered him on.

I think he has won an army of new fans today, me included and played exceptionally well. Well done Andy.

Miss Anne Thrope

Federer has said publicly that this was the title he coveted the most as the only missing piece of a "career golden slam" which no man has ever achieved (career grand slam plus Olympic singles gold: Steffi Graf and Serena are the only ones to have done it).

Roger always looks casual like he did today and always makes lots of unforced errors, especially under pressure. The difference today was that once Murray grabbed the edge he just did not let Roger back in to the match to cover his errors with winners as he usually does. That third game in the second set when Roger had 6 break points was pivotal. Andy attacked on all the break points and saved them. By contrast on deuce and game points he showed no aggression and thus kept conceding more break points. When he finally realised that only the aggression was paying off then he kept producing that and that's how he blew Roger away in the end - because he sustained the aggression, right up to that last game. A complete contrast to Wimbledon where he had the beating of Roger but let all the demons back in after the second set.

I didnt realise it was a five setter in the final and was aghast when I realised they would have to play a third set because I really feared that Andy would let it go again. Even though Roger upped his agggression as he had to in the third set, Andy easily contained him. I think this is a real breakthrough.

norsk

That's my point exactly. How do you create a top 10 list that everyone can agree on? Should it be based on earnings (like the one above), number of grand slams, number of grand slams adjusted for number of years played, number of singles matched won, size of feet, number of rackets broken....

For example Borg who retired at 25, but won 11 grand slams in 7 years is missing. McEnroe is missing. Jimmy Connors is missing.

Murray is good enough to win a grand slam, and like someone said has been for a while. He could have won (should have won?) Wimbledon this year if he had only kept his head straight.

This whole 'Murray is Scottish and therefore I won't support him' is just sad. So what if he said some stupid things as a teenager? Who didn't? As a foreigner who's lived in UK for many years I never understood the fear of supporting Wales, Scotland, NI even if you're English (or vice versa). If you ask me this is one of the reasons why Great Britain is no longer so great..

commander

What an absolute load of pish.

A minority of highland hamish's don't sing it...the vast vast majority do.

britexpat76

You are slightly different as you served the Queen................I have countless Scottish friends and they wouldn't sing it.

The Welsh also made a fuss about it at the Football so its not just the Scottish.

the_red_sheep

I wouldn't sing it, as far as I'm concerned it's not my national anthem.

Fantastic display by Murray today in the singles, got himself on front early and never let Federer build any momentum. Shame he wasn't able to make it two in the mixed doubles, Robson looked a little overawed by the occasion, but will hopefully spur her onto greater things on the future.

Clan Scotland certainly more than doing their fair share contributing to the Team GB medal tally.

commander

Hello Hamish.

commander

It is the National anthem of GB of which Scotland is a part. Its got nothing to do with my serving in the forces.

What does piss me off though is that it also gets used as the National Anthem of England..

Ill admit right now to not singing it when its played at an England v Scotland football or rugby game..that's a completely diffent context..

The sheepshaggers and inbred's from the 6-toe countys up north are kinda like annoying teenagers..they have an opinion and like to spout it...but the adults see sense and simply ignore it.

scrubbedexpat141

Why?

Because I am about the only person to take your "**** you ABM" people and actually pick you up on it?

RE: money lists, no way to measure success across generations and big stages. Lee Westwood would be right up there on golf's top lists. Luke Donald was world number 1, neither winning the majors.

Did you create a thread solely about Andy Murray to provoke reaction? If not, why pick Murray over Ennis or Mo Farah or Ben Ainslie or Wiggins?

You wanted a response, you got it, don't moan. It's what you wanted the second you created the thread

scrubbedexpat141

Of course money lists aren't going to include anyone beyond the last 10 years. Money wasn't in it for decades.

Murray is not good enough today to win a grand slam. It's why he hasn't. It's got zero to do with where he is from (I'm half Scottish). He just isn't good enough to do it. He's very bloody close and a lot better at tennis than I but it's a deluded dream to expect him to be winning grand slams. He might win Wimbledon, if so, I don't expect him to be winning any other slams.

Federer today did not have a good day. Murray took full advantage.

The only thing to come from it all is a gold for GB and that is all that matters really. Olympics tennis is very different to that on the money tours.

the_red_sheep

Yawn - someone has a different opinion so resort to cheap insults and stereotypes, how very 'British' of you. I'm Scottish, and proud of it. I don't know what it is to be British, what is British culture or heritage or 'Britishiness'??

Autonomy

Did I think it would get a reaction - probably. That wasn't why I posted it though - as explained several times I follow his career and support him and I'm a bit sick of the crap that seems get thrown at him. I still don't see how you can defend saying ABM all year then getting all happy when it suits you. As you say why not pick another athlete? They don't seem to get the same crap and that's why I posted the thread.

Why point out your stance today? 'cos you seem to be drinking the Daily Mail Kool Aid today - entrenched views on ABM & thinking anyone mentioning movies or music you've not heard of are elitist and worthy of derision rather than thinking maybe they are worth checking out...

I guess we'll never see eye to eye on some things. Maybe we should go for a beer and argue over it. I hear you're a nice guy and also much bigger than me so you'll probably knock me out if I mention Murray.... I'll ask Millhouse to protect me, he's a big guy right?

britexpat76

So you sing it when it suits then?? Do you love the monarchy too?

How about the English government?

Autonomy

Just back on tennis for a sec - I, and many players and commentators, would disagree that he's not good enough to win a slam. Look at Nole's transformation. It takes confidence and mental strength to make the transition, he has the ability and today could and I hope should make that difference.

McEnroe describes the Olympics as the fifth slam now, this time is the first time Andy beat Nole and Fed in the same event which has always been the argument as to why he's not won a slam yet.

Watch out for him at the US Open in a few weeks - it's his favourite and strongest event and I hope and think this time may be a very strong showing.