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dunroving Mar 4th 2014 4:15 am

Re: What makes Britain completely crap?
 

Originally Posted by Pistolpete2 (Post 11157851)
I agree with you that it's simplistic but if you consider your ability to survive financially today, for the most part it is based upon your cash flow and whether paying a typical mortgage or rent, the cash flow position right now is roughly the same, assuming you haven't bought a high-maintenance heap of a house with never-ending damp and structural issues.

Hmmm, not so sure about the latter.

Except for regional variations, typical rent for a 3-BR house is similar (because rents tend to increase with time).

However, typical mortgage payments for people who bought a 3-BR semi 5, 10 and 15 years ago are pretty different by a multiple of about 3-5 times, I'd guesstimate. As mortgage payments are the biggest single expense for many people, I think that's a big difference.

For me, it's mortgage and pension that make my "income" negligible, because they currently take up about 80% of my salary, but then I'm an exceptional case. If I plug my effective gross income into that tool (after subtracting the amount I am deducting for pension), I'm at about the 15th percentile. :unsure: My effective net salary is currently less than my monthly mortgage (I'm living off savings). As I say, I'm an unusual case because I am paying so much into pension, but I don't see how anyone at the 15th percentile of household income can afford to live (with help from benefits and credits, I suppose).

I wouldn't say it makes the UK crap (and definitely not "completely" crap) but the whole house boom and bust cycle of the past 20 years has made for some pretty gross wealth inequalities.

Harvester523 Mar 4th 2014 4:41 am

Re: What makes Britain completely crap?
 

Originally Posted by Moses2013 (Post 11157836)
Absolutely right. I don't know why Harvester523 thinks it's impossible to keep goats? It's really cheap in Northern Ireland which is also UK. Taxes are also very high in France and not everyone in France has loads of land Harvester523.

High taxes? Maybe for the well off, but certainly not for me. I'm sure it is possible to keep goats in Northern Ireland, but not everyone wants to live there.


Originally Posted by chris955 (Post 11157922)
Yes some bizarre and very inaccurate generalisations. Of course in the towns and cities people dont keep horses and goats generally speaking but I'm sure that is true in France as well. As you say not everyone or even I would imagine a majority of French people have loads of land.

Oh please stop spouting such rubbish. I didn't say no one can afford land to keep goats and horses, I said the wealthy can, I couldn't, and other people like me can't. Yes, on the whole, people do have more land in France in rural areas - I better add that or I'll be generalising too much again. To imagine they don't is just that - your imagination. Our neighbours have several hectares each, not an acre, even in the village people have land outside of the village. Rural new builds (the equivalent of an estate) have much, much bigger gardens than equivalent new builds in England. You can get a half acre building plot here for £15,000 or 27 acres of farmland for £22,000. There were no bizarre and inaccurate generalisations. Land is expensive in the UK - even in remote Scotland or NI, there's no getting away from it, and just because you live there and can afford to live there, doesn't make it any different.

roaringmouse Mar 4th 2014 6:06 am

Re: What makes Britain completely crap?
 

Originally Posted by Harvester523 (Post 11158075)
just because you live there and can afford to live there, doesn't make it any different.

He can only do that because he won the Australian property lottery, and was able to buy property in rural England without a mortgage. It helps to make those glasses he wears to be rose coloured.

Stormer999 Mar 4th 2014 6:31 am

Re: What makes Britain completely crap?
 

Originally Posted by roaringmouse (Post 11158214)
He can only do that because he won the Australian property lottery, and was able to buy property in rural England without a mortgage. It helps to make those glasses he wears to be rose coloured.

I think there is a big difference between glasses and blinkers ;)

dunroving Mar 4th 2014 7:04 am

Re: What makes Britain completely crap?
 

Originally Posted by Stormer999 (Post 11158261)
I think there is a big difference between glasses and blinkers ;)

You can't drink out of blinkers?

Grayling Mar 4th 2014 8:20 am

Re: What makes Britain completely crap?
 

Originally Posted by roaringmouse (Post 11158214)
He can only do that because he won the Australian property lottery, and was able to buy property in rural England without a mortgage. It helps to make those glasses he wears to be rose coloured.

What are you on about:confused:....I owned a property in rural England long before I came to Australia and will own one when I return.

I also know lots of people who own similar properties and they have never been to Australia in their lives.

roaringmouse Mar 4th 2014 10:15 am

Re: What makes Britain completely crap?
 

Originally Posted by Grayling (Post 11158494)

Originally Posted by roaringmouse (Post 11158214)
He can only do that because he won the Australian property lottery, and was able to buy property in rural England without a mortgage. It helps to make those glasses he wears to be rose coloured.

What are you on about:confused:....I owned a property in rural England long before I came to Australia and will own one when I return.

I also know lots of people who own similar properties and they have never been to Australia in their lives.

The post you're referring to has nothing to do with you or your situation, past or present.

Grayling Mar 4th 2014 10:23 am

Re: What makes Britain completely crap?
 

Originally Posted by roaringmouse (Post 11158687)
The post you're referring to has nothing to do with you or your situation, past or present.

It has....not everybody who lives in rural areas has " won the Australian property
Lottery" and neither are they all wealthy.....Many work hard to pay their mortgage the same as everyone else.

.....and I have certainly found that property is cheaper in English rural areas than it is in Australian cities.....and that applies to many cities around the world

roaringmouse Mar 4th 2014 11:02 am

Re: What makes Britain completely crap?
 

Originally Posted by Grayling (Post 11158700)

Originally Posted by roaringmouse (Post 11158687)
The post you're referring to has nothing to do with you or your situation, past or present.

It has....

No, it really hasn't. It was in regards to one person, and one person only.

Grayling Mar 4th 2014 11:05 am

Re: What makes Britain completely crap?
 

Originally Posted by roaringmouse (Post 11158760)
No, it really hasn't. It was in regards to one person, and one person only.

So were you making a point about living in rural Britain or simply stalking Chris?

Bud the Wiser Mar 4th 2014 11:16 am

Re: What makes Britain completely crap?
 

Originally Posted by dunroving (Post 11158021)
I wouldn't say it makes the UK crap (and definitely not "completely" crap) but the whole house boom and bust cycle of the past 20 years has made for some pretty gross wealth inequalities.

Crazy isn't it.

Cultivating a country of debt slaves.

Grayling Mar 4th 2014 12:03 pm

Re: What makes Britain completely crap?
 

Originally Posted by Bud the Wiser (Post 11158777)
Crazy isn't it.

Cultivating a country of debt slaves.

Just like many other countries then?

old.sparkles Mar 4th 2014 12:15 pm

Re: What makes Britain completely crap?
 

Originally Posted by Grayling (Post 11158813)
Just like many other countries then?

And could be what other's think is crap about them.

The title isn't 'what makes Britain crapper than other countries' or 'what makes Britain crap that absolutely no other country in the world has', it's just 'what makes Britain completely crap' and the fact that the same problems can be seen in other countries doesn't make an issue irrelevant.

Grayling Mar 4th 2014 12:18 pm

Re: What makes Britain completely crap?
 

Originally Posted by old.sparkles (Post 11158826)
And could be what other's think is crap about them.

The title isn't 'what makes Britain crapper than other countries' or 'what makes Britain crap that absolutely no other country in the world has', it's just 'what makes Britain completely crap' and the fact that the same problems can be seen in other countries doesn't make an issue irrelevant.

So do you not want any debate at all?......the forum would be very quiet.

.....and on an expat forum it is not unexpected that posters will compare countries is it?

old.sparkles Mar 4th 2014 12:28 pm

Re: What makes Britain completely crap?
 

Originally Posted by Grayling (Post 11158828)
So do you not want any debate at all?......the forum would be very quiet.

.....and on an expat forum it is not unexpected that posters will compare countries is it?

No I get that some comparison will take place - as you say it's only natural for an expat site. But to just say 'just like many other countries' isn't really debating - sounds more like a fob off.


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