Upcoming Referendum
#211
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Re: Upcoming Referendum
It's hard to argue that the pound was overinflated on a purchasing power parity basis. Most estimates I've seen recently of such parity put the exchange rate at about $1.55. The Economist's "Big Mac" index puts it at $1.71 :-)
Last edited by Giantaxe; Jun 27th 2016 at 11:46 pm.
#212
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Re: Upcoming Referendum
I'd like to give you something to really ponder over. Seriously since you say you like a good discussion.
I've always had nothing but admiration for the construct of the EU. For the ideal of it. Americans like me are pretty lucky that we've never had war on our front doorstep. And I mean literally at the front door, as Europeans have experienced. The Europeans who put the single market together wanted to keep any future megalomaniac from hoarding all his countries assets, all the while plotting world domination.
I've always had nothing but admiration for the construct of the EU. For the ideal of it. Americans like me are pretty lucky that we've never had war on our front doorstep. And I mean literally at the front door, as Europeans have experienced. The Europeans who put the single market together wanted to keep any future megalomaniac from hoarding all his countries assets, all the while plotting world domination.
The Europeans who put the EU together felt that free movement of people across the continent would improve the overall prospects of citizens. All would benefit from being able to work and live freely together.
Nothing wrong with moving from country to country, as long as authorities can keep track of anyone who poses a danger to the public.
I still think this is a noble, important ideal. Given the history of Europe, I frankly can't understand why this concept has been lost on people. I don't think it would be good at all for the EU to break up. I really don't understand why anyone would wish that.
The concept is not lost on the people. It's lost on the bureaucrats who forgot about the people. That's the reason some citizens throughout Europe want an end to the EU. Go back to basics and we'll be better off.
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#213
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Re: Upcoming Referendum
The Tory leadership challenger that worries me most is Theresa May. She's kept herself out of the public eye. She's the perfect candidate from the Remain point of view because she avoided both campaigns and would be seen as neutral. But she's currently the Home Secretary and has form for being in favour of reducing immigration.
=He said that on Friday, and that nothing will change regarding migration apparently.
Lol Yes, I know he said that on Friday. I was mentioning his disgusting comment.
=On a comfy bed next to his German wife, probably.
=Did you really think Farage actually has any say in how money is spent?
Farage isn't a Westminster MP, nor is he a member of the PM's Cabinet, therefore he can't make any promises as to what money goes where, other than UKIP funds.
Farage isn't a Westminster MP, nor is he a member of the PM's Cabinet, therefore he can't make any promises as to what money goes where, other than UKIP funds.
=Farage ALWAYS plays the immigration card. The UK can prevent any EU national from entering the UK on grounds of Public Health, Public Policy or Public Security, and have done so many times.
=I think you mean 51st state!
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#214
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Re: Upcoming Referendum
EU nationals can freely enter any of the Schengen area countries without a passport. Neither the UK or Ireland are part of the Schengen area.
Now, that the UK is free from the EU, people must show a passport to enter the country.
Then the UK has 2 years to leave (or longer if the EU agrees to an extension.
With proper security, the bad guys will be stopped at the border. (I did state PROPER security, right?)
Even though we're not a Schengen country, we still have access to the same database. If we're not in the EU, I doubt we'll keep that access. Will that improve our security?
#215
Re: Upcoming Referendum
Seriously? You did not know that Farage is not an MP?
Not trying to throw flames on the discussion, but that's a very well known bit of information. I realize everyone has a right to their opinion. But I have to wonder what else you don't about the issues?
Not trying to throw flames on the discussion, but that's a very well known bit of information. I realize everyone has a right to their opinion. But I have to wonder what else you don't about the issues?
#216
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Re: Upcoming Referendum
Nigel Farage is an MEP, Member of the European Parliament.
#219
Re: Upcoming Referendum
Hello everyone.
What I heard this morning is beyond troubling.
Nigel Farage stated in an interview, that there is no guarantee of the money that was being sent to the EU will be put back in the NHS.
How does this man sleep at night?
Part of the exit campaign was based on keeping Britain's money IN BRITAIN.
It's unbelievable, he's just another deceptive (blank) out for his own interests.
What's bothersome is how Farage played the immigration card.
He played upon everybody's fears regarding that issue.
There is no way, Britain will kick out immigrants. If that happens, the EU will send British citizens back home. There's no way Britain will stop new immigrants from coming in (IF VETTED RIGHT). If that happens, UK citizens won't be able to settle anywhere except in the UK. I do agree that Britain should be managing their borders and keep out anyone who would cause harm.
At least the banks in Britain were smart to prepare for the Brexit vote. PM David Cameron just announced that provisions have been made for the next few years. I guess they knew Mr. Farage was hiding something.
Anyway, what's done is done. The vote has knocked world markets down for now but they will bounce back. Trade will continue and the U.S. will not abandon its' sister country. I still believe in the long run, Britain's exit from the EU will be a benefit and that other countries will follow.
Which brings me to Scotland. Hopefully, the Scottish people will wait to see what happens before declaring their independence. It wouldn't make sense for Scotland to remain in the EU if France, Italy and Greece are the next countries to depart.
Any other thoughts?
Please, no nasty responses
I love discussing issues but there's no need to be rude to each other.
What I heard this morning is beyond troubling.
Nigel Farage stated in an interview, that there is no guarantee of the money that was being sent to the EU will be put back in the NHS.
How does this man sleep at night?
Part of the exit campaign was based on keeping Britain's money IN BRITAIN.
It's unbelievable, he's just another deceptive (blank) out for his own interests.
What's bothersome is how Farage played the immigration card.
He played upon everybody's fears regarding that issue.
There is no way, Britain will kick out immigrants. If that happens, the EU will send British citizens back home. There's no way Britain will stop new immigrants from coming in (IF VETTED RIGHT). If that happens, UK citizens won't be able to settle anywhere except in the UK. I do agree that Britain should be managing their borders and keep out anyone who would cause harm.
At least the banks in Britain were smart to prepare for the Brexit vote. PM David Cameron just announced that provisions have been made for the next few years. I guess they knew Mr. Farage was hiding something.
Anyway, what's done is done. The vote has knocked world markets down for now but they will bounce back. Trade will continue and the U.S. will not abandon its' sister country. I still believe in the long run, Britain's exit from the EU will be a benefit and that other countries will follow.
Which brings me to Scotland. Hopefully, the Scottish people will wait to see what happens before declaring their independence. It wouldn't make sense for Scotland to remain in the EU if France, Italy and Greece are the next countries to depart.
Any other thoughts?
Please, no nasty responses
I love discussing issues but there's no need to be rude to each other.
#220
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Re: Upcoming Referendum
I also think that if people had actually bothered to check the claims made by both sides, the referendum would have had a different result.
Of course, if the media and politicians had been made to print the facts, it would have made it easier for the public to verify things.
#221
Re: Upcoming Referendum
Without all the back office, home office peons doing what they have to on this Brexit workings, does the UK need to trigger 'article 50' - if not & it doesn't, then what happens, will it simply be the UK will remain in the EU until article 50 is triggered, or can the European parliament simply kick the UK out of the EU at some point?
Foregoing the above, I see in the newspapers that Cameron has said he will let the new leader of the conservative party (sometime after October) trigger article 50. Is that right, or can the UK from now till October trigger article 50?
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Foregoing the above, I see in the newspapers that Cameron has said he will let the new leader of the conservative party (sometime after October) trigger article 50. Is that right, or can the UK from now till October trigger article 50?
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Last edited by not2old; Jun 28th 2016 at 9:50 pm.
#222
Re: Upcoming Referendum
I think your response is actually very restrained.
I also think that if people had actually bothered to check the claims made by both sides, the referendum would have had a different result.
Of course, if the media and politicians had been made to print the facts, it would have made it easier for the public to verify things.
I also think that if people had actually bothered to check the claims made by both sides, the referendum would have had a different result.
Of course, if the media and politicians had been made to print the facts, it would have made it easier for the public to verify things.
#223
Re: Upcoming Referendum
Without all the back office, home office peons doing what they have to on this Brexit workings, does the UK need to trigger 'article 50' - if not & it doesn't, then what happens, will it simply be the UK will remain in the EU until article 50 is triggered, or can the European parliament simply kick the UK out of the EU at some point?
Foregoing the above, I see in the newspapers that Cameron has said he will let the new leader of the conservative party (sometime after October) trigger article 50. Is that right, or can the UK from now till October trigger article 50?
.
Foregoing the above, I see in the newspapers that Cameron has said he will let the new leader of the conservative party (sometime after October) trigger article 50. Is that right, or can the UK from now till October trigger article 50?
.
#224
Re: Upcoming Referendum
Nothing happens until HMG pull the trigger on Article 50. Legally the PM could just put it off indefinitely as the referendum is merely advisory.
Politically it would be impossible to do so without a fresh mandate, either another referendum or a general election where the winning party had made an explicitly Remain manifesto pledge. If Labour could dump Corbyn and get its sh*t together before September the latter might actually be a goer.
Politically it would be impossible to do so without a fresh mandate, either another referendum or a general election where the winning party had made an explicitly Remain manifesto pledge. If Labour could dump Corbyn and get its sh*t together before September the latter might actually be a goer.
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Last edited by not2old; Jun 28th 2016 at 10:22 pm.
#225
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Re: Upcoming Referendum
No, they can't. EU nationals do have to show passports to enter the UK. Even UK nationals have to show passports.
EU nationals can freely enter any of the Schengen area countries without a passport. Neither the UK or Ireland are part of the Schengen area. QUOTE
Thank you for the clarification. It just proves that once again the American media (where I heard about the passport issue) has no idea what they're talking about (or they do know and won't broadcast it to US citizens).
Thank you for informing me about the Schengen area as well. I knew nothing about that until your post. This is what I meant when I once stated that Americans aren't as worldly as we think we are. No offense but there are many things we US folk don't know about when it comes to other countries. This is why I want to travel overseas.
QUOTE=The UK is not free from the EU though. There was a non-binding referendum, Parliament will decide whether to accept the result, then the UK government (whoever replaces Cameron in October) has to notify the EU that the UK is officially leaving by activating Article 50.
Then the UK has 2 years to leave (or longer if the EU agrees to an extension. QUOTE
Yes, I forgot about Article 50. Sorry about that.
QUOTE=With accurate information sharing, the bad guys details will be on the Schengen Information System database so that if they turn up at passport control, the immigration officer can make the correct decision.
Even though we're not a Schengen country, we still have access to the same database. If we're not in the EU, I doubt we'll keep that access. Will that improve our security?
EU nationals can freely enter any of the Schengen area countries without a passport. Neither the UK or Ireland are part of the Schengen area. QUOTE
Thank you for the clarification. It just proves that once again the American media (where I heard about the passport issue) has no idea what they're talking about (or they do know and won't broadcast it to US citizens).
Thank you for informing me about the Schengen area as well. I knew nothing about that until your post. This is what I meant when I once stated that Americans aren't as worldly as we think we are. No offense but there are many things we US folk don't know about when it comes to other countries. This is why I want to travel overseas.
QUOTE=The UK is not free from the EU though. There was a non-binding referendum, Parliament will decide whether to accept the result, then the UK government (whoever replaces Cameron in October) has to notify the EU that the UK is officially leaving by activating Article 50.
Then the UK has 2 years to leave (or longer if the EU agrees to an extension. QUOTE
Yes, I forgot about Article 50. Sorry about that.
QUOTE=With accurate information sharing, the bad guys details will be on the Schengen Information System database so that if they turn up at passport control, the immigration officer can make the correct decision.
Even though we're not a Schengen country, we still have access to the same database. If we're not in the EU, I doubt we'll keep that access. Will that improve our security?