Upcoming Referendum
Jun 27th 2016, 8:54 pm
#196
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Re: Upcoming Referendum
c&p'd what I posted on the Canada forum
"As I see it in simple terms - being a member of the EU is political, controlling & costly just to be a club member
Something for the UK might be the EEA?
Being in the EEA without all of the cost & the political BS is probably a better deal, says Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein, allows them to be part of the EU’s single market
http://www.efta.int/eea/eea-agreemen...basic-features
For the UK, why not have the 'sweat deal' that Switzerland has?
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/atyour...FTU_6.5.3.html"
"As I see it in simple terms - being a member of the EU is political, controlling & costly just to be a club member
Something for the UK might be the EEA?
Being in the EEA without all of the cost & the political BS is probably a better deal, says Norway, Iceland, Liechtenstein, allows them to be part of the EU’s single market
http://www.efta.int/eea/eea-agreemen...basic-features
For the UK, why not have the 'sweat deal' that Switzerland has?
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/atyour...FTU_6.5.3.html"
Norway and the other EEA countries have to follow about 75% of EU rules with no say in the making of them.
Are you sure this is what you want?
Jun 27th 2016, 8:57 pm
#197
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Re: Upcoming Referendum
Because, as I said in post #179, we'd lose our seats at the EU tables where we currently can help make, shape, and change EU laws.
Norway and the other EEA countries have to follow about 75% of EU rules with no say in the making of them.
Are you sure this is what you want?
Norway and the other EEA countries have to follow about 75% of EU rules with no say in the making of them.
Are you sure this is what you want?
Jun 27th 2016, 9:10 pm
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Re: Upcoming Referendum
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Jun 27th 2016, 9:11 pm
#199
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Re: Upcoming Referendum
Because, as I said in post #179, we'd lose our seats at the EU tables where we currently can help make, shape, and change EU laws.
Norway and the other EEA countries have to follow about 75% of EU rules with no say in the making of them.
Are you sure this is what you want?
Norway and the other EEA countries have to follow about 75% of EU rules with no say in the making of them.
Are you sure this is what you want?
In simple terms, without dealing with a Scotland referendum
- Within 24 months from the Brexit vote, the UK is no longer a member of the EU, deal done, divorce papers signed
- Some sort of trade agreement is in place, whether its an EEA, EFTA or a Switzerland deal... just something. If not, then naff off.
- UK has no the freedom of movement with any of the EEA or EU counties, no Schengen area either
- UK retains full control over its borders, immigration, all welfare, pensions, work, wages & tax
- UK broadens its scope of trade partners & imports from wherever, whatever it is at the best price. Increases trade with the Orient, South America, Mexico, Russia & the US. If one of the European countries has something it wants to sell to the UK at a better price than the UK can get from outside the EU, then its a deal
- UK opens its trading for countries outside Europe for industry & manufacturing to create UK jobs & exports
Jun 27th 2016, 9:13 pm
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Re: Upcoming Referendum
read that earlier somewhere else & that is why I revised my list in the last post.
The UK would need or have to tighten them there borders & immigration without freedom of movement
Jun 27th 2016, 9:13 pm
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Jun 27th 2016, 9:29 pm
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Re: Upcoming Referendum
As clearly enumerated in the linked-to article, neither the EEA nor Switzerland's agreeement would give you what you are looking for.
Jun 27th 2016, 9:36 pm
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Re: Upcoming Referendum
America could end up being a better trading partner for import & exports - whatever works best for the UK without being controlled or stranglehold by the EU or any country.
Its a wait & see what the outcome will be
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Jun 27th 2016, 9:45 pm
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Re: Upcoming Referendum
it would need to be a made for the UK deal, with some sort of free trade with the EU countries, if no free trade type deal is available without the EU putting some conditions or restrictions to that which hinders the UK rights to control itself 100% [all of immigration, border controls, welfare, laws, tax, health etc] then the UK goes to wherever to the global market to get the deal that works. Similar to the Asian & sub-Asian countries including SA & OZ.
America could end up being a better trading partner for import & exports - whatever works best for the UK without being controlled or stranglehold by the EU or any country.
America could end up being a better trading partner for import & exports - whatever works best for the UK without being controlled or stranglehold by the EU or any country.
OEC - United Kingdom (GBR) Exports, Imports, and Trade Partners
Jun 27th 2016, 9:49 pm
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Re: Upcoming Referendum
it would need to be a made for the UK deal, with some sort of free trade with the EU countries, if no free trade type deal is available without the EU putting some conditions or restrictions to that which hinders the UK rights to control itself 100% [all of immigration, border controls, welfare, laws, tax, health etc] then the UK goes to wherever to the global market to get the deal that works.
Switzerland tried that two years ago and were told 'no way'.
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Jun 27th 2016, 9:57 pm
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Re: Upcoming Referendum
The Tory leadership challenger that worries me most is Theresa May. She's kept herself out of the public eye. She's the perfect candidate from the Remain point of view because she avoided both campaigns and would be seen as neutral. But she's currently the Home Secretary and has form for being in favour of reducing immigration.
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Jun 27th 2016, 10:10 pm
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Re: Upcoming Referendum
Over 50% of UK exports go to the EU, EEA and Switzerland, with 11% to the US. That's a huge difference:
OEC - United Kingdom (GBR) Exports, Imports, and Trade Partners
OEC - United Kingdom (GBR) Exports, Imports, and Trade Partners
I was trying to get to after the EU exit that if the EU trading deal wasn't there 'what it' or could it be possible' to widen broaden the world trading with others that has restricted the UK for the past 40 odd years?
Over time the world has become a different place
if thats what it takes, then the UK has to do what it has to do if its out totally from 'free trade' within the EU
Jun 27th 2016, 11:25 pm
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Re: Upcoming Referendum
A great article from Mark Mardell at the Beeb on the differing relationship mainland Europeans and Brits have with the EU:
Brexit: The story of an island apart - BBC News
"By the end of my time based in Brussels I was convinced that I had understood the key difference. To many in the UK being part of the EU was a hard-headed economic relationship, about free markets, selling and buying stuff. It was a sort of second best, a consolation prize after the loss of empire, but not one that had a similar place in patriots' hearts.
But for nearly all the other countries it was a refuge. It was a home they were constructing as a bulwark against history, against horror.
Germany was fleeing its role in spreading death and destruction to every corner of the continent, fleeing its own political ambitions. France was running away from defeat and occupation, from humiliation and powerlessness.
So were many other countries. Greece, Portugal and Spain found refuge - in an imagined future - from the real past of right-wing dictatorships. The countries of the East were replacing communist tyranny with a new attempt to create peace and democracy."
Brexit: The story of an island apart - BBC News
"By the end of my time based in Brussels I was convinced that I had understood the key difference. To many in the UK being part of the EU was a hard-headed economic relationship, about free markets, selling and buying stuff. It was a sort of second best, a consolation prize after the loss of empire, but not one that had a similar place in patriots' hearts.
But for nearly all the other countries it was a refuge. It was a home they were constructing as a bulwark against history, against horror.
Germany was fleeing its role in spreading death and destruction to every corner of the continent, fleeing its own political ambitions. France was running away from defeat and occupation, from humiliation and powerlessness.
So were many other countries. Greece, Portugal and Spain found refuge - in an imagined future - from the real past of right-wing dictatorships. The countries of the East were replacing communist tyranny with a new attempt to create peace and democracy."
Jun 27th 2016, 11:26 pm
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Re: Upcoming Referendum
Nicely worded.
I have no real strong feelings on any of this except that I am glad my assets are in Canada but I am fearful for my step mother who voted out but isn't worried about the value of her pension that shes only 7 days away from drawing on. As far as shes concerned she was promised a pension when she retires and she wants England to be a little island all by itself. Its romantic but that's all....
I have no real strong feelings on any of this except that I am glad my assets are in Canada but I am fearful for my step mother who voted out but isn't worried about the value of her pension that shes only 7 days away from drawing on. As far as shes concerned she was promised a pension when she retires and she wants England to be a little island all by itself. Its romantic but that's all....
I'm only 47 so I know I won't see it.
Jun 27th 2016, 11:35 pm
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Re: Upcoming Referendum
The pound has come back some already. It's think where it was Last week from what I can tell.
Iit's over inflated anyway, makes it hard for exports.
A lower pound would be good for us exporting and for attracting more visitors from other countries. Not so good for retirees living elsewhere.
Lots of histrionics online on some other sites. Woah is me, we're all going to hell in a hand basket and It's all the fault of the older generations sticking it to the younger ones who are throwing their toys out of the pram and calling for another vote. Democracy isn't their strong point when they don't get their own way.
Iit's over inflated anyway, makes it hard for exports.
A lower pound would be good for us exporting and for attracting more visitors from other countries. Not so good for retirees living elsewhere.
Lots of histrionics online on some other sites. Woah is me, we're all going to hell in a hand basket and It's all the fault of the older generations sticking it to the younger ones who are throwing their toys out of the pram and calling for another vote. Democracy isn't their strong point when they don't get their own way.
Oh how smug you are!! Just as well you're not living in California now isn't it? Maybe if you were an expat about to retire this year and collect your British pension you'd be singing a different tune. The British (or maybe I should say the English and the Welsh) screwed up. It's a bloody mess and you know it - why do so many people regret their votes? The leave people didn't (and still don't have an exit strategy). What a screw-up! Cameron really messed up even offering a referendum in the first place - and yes I'm pissed off that I didn't even get a vote. I am British but apparently have lived out of the country for too long. What a screw-up - it's like a sinking ship with no-one at the helm!!
