Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
#1471
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
Is it so bad ? 17 million watched "Strictly Come Dancing" ! Brainwashing, bread and circuses have WORKED !
#1472
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
Jeff Randall talking sense again...........
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...tion-ploy.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...tion-ploy.html
I'm surprised to see it in the Telegraph of all places. But yes, he is talking sense. We don't need financial incentives to subsidise buyers. We need incentives to build more homes.
#1473
Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
What we do need is more land.
The population of the UK has grown to 64 million officially 70 million on some estimates, and is forecast to grow a further 10 million (or even 15 million) over the next twenty. The housing stock was planned for a population of no more than 55 million. In the last week, I have seen people renting out (obviously on the black) their lofts, (unconverted), garden sheds - and even a car!
Assuming 3 people per household on average there is probably a shortfall of 2 or 3 million houses, and a future shortfall of similar proportions. But just listen to the furore when Nick Boles suggest building on farmland, or on the green Belt.
But there is no means of building that many houses by infilling peoples gardens, and on old petrol stations. Nearly all the big brownfield sites are gone.
If people would just realise that when they oppose somebody building next door to them, it is somebody else's son or daughter who is then forced to stay at home into their 30s and 40s, sleep on sofas, or in sheds
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
But to try to stay on track.....which Australian highways do you consider to be below your high standards and why ?
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
We certainly do not need more incentives - there are plenty in place already. It is all the back door (pardon the pun) taxes and regulations that constrain development.
What we do need is more land.
The population of the UK has grown to 64 million officially 70 million on some estimates, and is forecast to grow a further 10 million (or even 15 million) over the next twenty. The housing stock was planned for a population of no more than 55 million. In the last week, I have seen people renting out (obviously on the black) their lofts, (unconverted), garden sheds - and even a car!
Assuming 3 people per household on average there is probably a shortfall of 2 or 3 million houses, and a future shortfall of similar proportions. But just listen to the furore when Nick Boles suggest building on farmland, or on the green Belt.
But there is no means of building that many houses by infilling peoples gardens, and on old petrol stations. Nearly all the big brownfield sites are gone.
If people would just realise that when they oppose somebody building next door to them, it is somebody else's son or daughter who is then forced to stay at home into their 30s and 40s, sleep on sofas, or in sheds
What we do need is more land.
The population of the UK has grown to 64 million officially 70 million on some estimates, and is forecast to grow a further 10 million (or even 15 million) over the next twenty. The housing stock was planned for a population of no more than 55 million. In the last week, I have seen people renting out (obviously on the black) their lofts, (unconverted), garden sheds - and even a car!
Assuming 3 people per household on average there is probably a shortfall of 2 or 3 million houses, and a future shortfall of similar proportions. But just listen to the furore when Nick Boles suggest building on farmland, or on the green Belt.
But there is no means of building that many houses by infilling peoples gardens, and on old petrol stations. Nearly all the big brownfield sites are gone.
If people would just realise that when they oppose somebody building next door to them, it is somebody else's son or daughter who is then forced to stay at home into their 30s and 40s, sleep on sofas, or in sheds
More money should be spent on parking facilities for existing properties - I've seen a lot of lovely houses that just won't sell as there's nowhere to park - fine if you want to catch the bus everywhere, but not much good if you want to take your dog up into the steadily diminishing hills.
What happens when there is no more space left? The UK already imports a lot of food - I seem to remember a map which showed the capability of a country to be self-sufficient. France is, the UK isn't.
I'm so glad I sold up and left - HS2 is going right through the middle of some stables we put up, about 100yds from the house. NIMBY? You bet! Lets see Chequers converted to flats.
Last edited by Harvester523; Nov 27th 2013 at 7:09 pm. Reason: smelling pistake
#1479
Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
Getting back to the original question.."is the uk really that bad"
Now living in Germany for many years, bringing my 4 kids up here,
After travelling around , working, in other countries, being able
to x-ref with other expats....yes the standards, have gone down,
And some places have become worse.
7 questions we put on the table, also with holland and French, Britexpats.
Would you prefer to be in Uk, or still expat ( from 8 people )
1) Need hospital....expat
2) Education...........expat
3) out of work.........expat ( 5 qualified, 3 un/semi qualified people)
4) standard o.liv.....expat
5) feeling safe/crime...expat (this said, we all agreed all big cities carry there fear)
Plus all of us ,men and women come from an assortment of lifestyles
6)Em/immigation, everyone said..'hey we're also foreigners...not a point.'
Though to a man/women, Benifits in all counties should be better managed.
A general question for preference, no matter where people would decide to live
7) should students pay towards uni...here we had a mixed bag split 4/4, but
Again 6/1 against the UK scheme, but a slippery subject.
Now living in Germany for many years, bringing my 4 kids up here,
After travelling around , working, in other countries, being able
to x-ref with other expats....yes the standards, have gone down,
And some places have become worse.
7 questions we put on the table, also with holland and French, Britexpats.
Would you prefer to be in Uk, or still expat ( from 8 people )
1) Need hospital....expat
2) Education...........expat
3) out of work.........expat ( 5 qualified, 3 un/semi qualified people)
4) standard o.liv.....expat
5) feeling safe/crime...expat (this said, we all agreed all big cities carry there fear)
Plus all of us ,men and women come from an assortment of lifestyles
6)Em/immigation, everyone said..'hey we're also foreigners...not a point.'
Though to a man/women, Benifits in all counties should be better managed.
A general question for preference, no matter where people would decide to live
7) should students pay towards uni...here we had a mixed bag split 4/4, but
Again 6/1 against the UK scheme, but a slippery subject.
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
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Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
#1484
Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
I'm from East Manchester and you're from Derbyshire. Are you trying to claim that there are no potholes in the roads in that part of the world?
That's not how I remember them and if you're being honest I doubt you remember them like that either. As a refresher....
http://www.potholes.co.uk/
That's not how I remember them and if you're being honest I doubt you remember them like that either. As a refresher....
http://www.potholes.co.uk/
#1485
Re: Is the situation in the UK really that bad?
Is the situation that bad....yes
I dont compare one country with another.
In 60 yrs the repair, promises have not been realised
English towns and its capital, have fell into ruin.
We stopped building houses
We never invested in small businesses, when needed
We stopped apprenticeships.
The education was sold out by being used as political offel.
The British Entrepreneur has been ignored and not supported
The working class, and lower middle class education is pathetically poor.
The British executives and directors have, been allowed to be selfcentered.
The backbenchers seemed not to have the stabling influence as before.
The richer, have got richer, to the detrement of all basic services..
This should be modern 2010 ad..more like 2010bc.
The social and benifit system is being managed by incompetents.
Imm/emmigration would be ok, but again poorly managed.
Its just we cant organise ' a p#ss up at a brewery'..an ' orgy at a brothel'
We can damn well use them..but organise or manage...!!!
But saying that, I still love my fish N chips....and a bit of pork pie
I dont compare one country with another.
In 60 yrs the repair, promises have not been realised
English towns and its capital, have fell into ruin.
We stopped building houses
We never invested in small businesses, when needed
We stopped apprenticeships.
The education was sold out by being used as political offel.
The British Entrepreneur has been ignored and not supported
The working class, and lower middle class education is pathetically poor.
The British executives and directors have, been allowed to be selfcentered.
The backbenchers seemed not to have the stabling influence as before.
The richer, have got richer, to the detrement of all basic services..
This should be modern 2010 ad..more like 2010bc.
The social and benifit system is being managed by incompetents.
Imm/emmigration would be ok, but again poorly managed.
Its just we cant organise ' a p#ss up at a brewery'..an ' orgy at a brothel'
We can damn well use them..but organise or manage...!!!
But saying that, I still love my fish N chips....and a bit of pork pie