chris955

Dont give up, it REALLY isnt that bad

roaringmouse

Because I've basically said that there's no definitive yes or no answer to the UK being "that bad", however there's probably more negatives than positives on the spectrum at the moment but things will get better?

That's a summary of what I've said on this thread, which I would say is quite balanced and has a positive outlook (at least eventually it will be positive, though it will take some time to get there).

The little journey into stats was possibly unfortunate for people who don't take interest, but they can be useful to get a grip on what's been going on and what direction we might be heading in.

Shouting that the answer is a resounding NO is not helpful as it misses out so much.

chris955

Yozzernz, are you still out there somewhere?

Bud the Wiser

Although the data has been available for some time, by adding graphics and video to the presentation would/should be a wake up call to those who found data/statistics hard to digest. It was, to put it bluntly, the economic reality expressed in laymans terms.

I too, would have expressed doubts about its credibility, then I remember how the government in Cyprus tried to take a large chunk of change from those who had money deposited in their banks, and didn't the Greek/Italian government have changes enforced on them by EU directive? Thin edge of the wedge? Dipping their toe in the water to see what they can get away with? Didn't Brown have a pension raid? Isn't 'quantative easing' becoming the norm?

I agree that the implications will vary depending upon personal circumstance and the sad thing is that most people can do sod all about it anyway, so they continue to bury their head in the sand in the vain hope that no one comes along and kicks them up the ar$e.

TheEmperorIsNaked

(WOW!! I'll post this downstairs....if I'm able to..
Two and a half minutes to log in/from (I timed it) 40 to 1 minute 36 to go to the next page/got the blue screen that others have referred to. It appears briefly on page change, but this time it hung around).

'ridicule/cause for insult'. Interesting. It might have something to do with the fact that this 'insult and ridicule' (with which I strongly disagree) has been necessary for quite some years.
It is par for the course isn't it? It's to be expected? God forbid that anyone should be happy in the UK, hell no! They have to defend that and qualify their posts so they do not cause offence to those who tell the 'unbridled truth' about the UK.

Frankly I find it offensive to have to do this. I find it even more offensive to be criticised for it! Extraordinary.
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Given the difficulties of posting at the moment:

roaringmouse: you are right. You are right about everything.

I would not want to ridicule and insult you.......

.....you on the other hand? Go your hardest.
(Yes,yes-I know; you are not doing that. None of you are doing that, you are simply trying to explain, and the naughty widdle posters who counter the views of you and yours are cruel and unkind).

Sheesh!

dunroving

I don't see who criticised you.

luvwelly

I agree - have you watched 'Top of the Lake'? It might be wise to take off the tinted glasses re NZ in order to avoid disappointment. NZ still has rheumatic fever because access to primary care is not 'free at point of use' and because of damp mouldy conditions in overcrowded houses. Paradise it is not.

TheEmperorIsNaked

..........God! it's hard this morning (Austime).

That is NOT what I am saying!

However, I'll repeat what I said. I find it utterly offensive to see what MBTTUKer's have had to put up with over the years here,-and then you suggest they are mainly the 'insult/ridicule' group!! That really does offend me, and for goodness' sake-I am not suggesting it is levelled at me personally. Crikey!

I do NOT want to get personal, but I am compelled to say that you do not like anyone disagreeing with what you post!
As an elder statesman of BE, it is somewhat difficult to disagree with you, and frankly that is annoying.
It's a discussion forum, people disagree!

Now dunroving, I'm having a massive problem posting. I've been lucky to date, but now it's my turn. I shall log out and try again later.

I know you get a lot of support; that might explain why you do not like to be disagreed with. Please don't take it personally; I am entitled to disagree with your views, as you are entitled to disagree with mine.

Here goes......

dunroving

I was going by your statement about "being criticised" - not sure how else to read it.

I'm not sure why you have this idea I don't like people disagreeing with me - you're flying off half-cocked because it seems you don't like to be disagreed with. If you follow back to my earlier post I simply expressed an objective opinion that in this thread it's any negative comments about the UK that get the vitriol, more so than the positive ones. As you say, people disagree on discussion forums, but you interpret my disagreement differently for some reason. Except when someone throws a hand grenade in my direction I usually respond pretty reasonably.

I think this forum has always been pretty balanced, compared to the Australia forum. There's an occasional foray from the other forum, stirring the pot but if you ignore them they usually disappear eventually.

Jerseygirl

Whether he is a long time member or not...Dunroving is one if the nicest people who post on BE. I have never got the impression that he doesn't like people disagreeing with him.

dunroving

It reminds me of that movie by Michael Moore about the national debt in the US - scary stuff.

TheEmperorIsNaked

Easier to log on this time.

I don't interpret anything 'differently for you', because I don't see you as any different.
However, moderator support IS different, so perhaps I should tread carefully..

I don't agree with the post I originally responded to, and that has led to this.
I still don't agree with it.

Jerseygirl

Very wise. I think you have made your point...time to move on or move to another thread.

TheEmperorIsNaked

Am I entitled to disagree with you?

I disagreed with a post! I still do. And I wouldn't change anything I wrote.
I'm surprised that it necessitated a comment from a moderator, though I suppose I shouldn't be.

EDIT: new post. What have I done wrong??

Sally Redux

Feelings can run high in this section, but don't forget Dunroving has 'walked the walk' and can give us a balanced insight, which I greatly value.