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Re: RECENT TRIP TO ENGLAND
Originally Posted by Jerseygirl
(Post 9021585)
The Lord of the Rings is fiction...welcome to the real world..
I am aware that the film is fiction, but thanks for the heads up.
Originally Posted by Jerseygirl
(Post 9021585)
Please don't patronise me...the NHS was good enough for my 89 yr old mum...when dad died suddenly last year and upon hearing the news mum fell and broke her hip. 9 months later she fell and broke her femur. The cost of all her medical care...rehab...then later when she went home Social Services visited 4 times per day...not to mention the doctor's home visits. This was all covered by the NHS/SS...you tell me what would have happened to her in the US.
Living in the US is great if you have money...but it you don't then it's God help you. Health insurance covers the same things as in the UK because the people in the USA have the same problems as those in the UK so the USA have factored in the same treatments to be made available as humans elsewhere. The only difference is who pays and does it work? Well, we all pay (and we will have to keep paying) and no, it doesn't always work and I could quote horror stories of shambolic doctors and other staff who's decisions costs people their health and their lives, among a list of shortcomings and poor service. You're wishing to ignore the key points of my posts, because you don't like or agree with them. That's fine but then don't pretend your view is the only true one or that its better, etc. |
Re: RECENT TRIP TO ENGLAND
Originally Posted by Volt61
(Post 9021613)
Well I did say "is like", but perhaps you don't want to read what doesn't suit you?
I am aware that the film is fiction, but thanks for the heads up. You're so offended so easily, but you're doing this to yourself. Health insurance covers the same things as in the UK because the people in the USA have the same problems as those in the UK so the USA have factored in the same treatments to be made available as humans elsewhere. The only difference is who pays and does it work? Well, we all pay (and we will have to keep paying) and no, it doesn't always work and I could quote horror stories of shambolic doctors and other staff who's decisions costs people their health and their lives, among a list of shortcomings and poor service. You're wishing to ignore the key points of my posts, because you don't like or agree with them. That's fine but then don't pretend your view is the only true one or that its better, etc. |
Re: RECENT TRIP TO ENGLAND
Originally Posted by Jerseygirl
(Post 9021627)
Are you kidding me? Do you live in the US...if so for how long?
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Re: RECENT TRIP TO ENGLAND
Originally Posted by Volt61
(Post 9021613)
Well I did say "is like", but perhaps you don't want to read what doesn't suit you?
I am aware that the film is fiction, but thanks for the heads up. You're so offended so easily, but you're doing this to yourself. Health insurance covers the same things as in the UK because the people in the USA have the same problems as those in the UK so the USA have factored in the same treatments to be made available as humans elsewhere. The only difference is who pays and does it work? Well, we all pay (and we will have to keep paying) and no, it doesn't always work and I could quote horror stories of shambolic doctors and other staff who's decisions costs people their health and their lives, among a list of shortcomings and poor service. You're wishing to ignore the key points of my posts, because you don't like or agree with them. That's fine but then don't pretend your view is the only true one or that its better, etc.
Originally Posted by Jerseygirl
(Post 9021627)
Are you kidding me? Do you live in the US...if so for how long?
For someone who has Rush Limbaugh as his hero in his signature I'm hoping he has good health insurance....he needs to see a doctor pretty quick;):lol: |
Re: RECENT TRIP TO ENGLAND
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Originally Posted by Mummy in the foothills
(Post 9021674)
I need that little popcorn eating icon :lol:
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Re: RECENT TRIP TO ENGLAND
Originally Posted by Volt61
(Post 9021613)
Well I did say "is like", but perhaps you don't want to read what doesn't suit you?
I am aware that the film is fiction, but thanks for the heads up. You're so offended so easily, but you're doing this to yourself. Health insurance covers the same things as in the UK because the people in the USA have the same problems as those in the UK so the USA have factored in the same treatments to be made available as humans elsewhere. The only difference is who pays and does it work? Well, we all pay (and we will have to keep paying) and no, it doesn't always work and I could quote horror stories of shambolic doctors and other staff who's decisions costs people their health and their lives, among a list of shortcomings and poor service. You're wishing to ignore the key points of my posts, because you don't like or agree with them. That's fine but then don't pretend your view is the only true one or that its better, etc. Been there, done that. :thumbdown: |
Re: RECENT TRIP TO ENGLAND
Originally Posted by Volt61
(Post 9021539)
...and we are all going to pay for this so-called "cheapness" when the xx hits the fan.
The European model of benefits, pensions and healthcare is more busted than the US and the heavy government involvement in these industries, conceals massive wastage and inefficiencies as well as the time bomb. Yes, I pay more here with health insurance and co-pays, etc, but I am happier and I get to see a doctor of my choice, whenever I want, and who don't have crumbling infrastructure, grumpy surly demoralized staff and the general out of date/bad attitudes towards patients Both my parents grew old & died in the UK over the last 20 or so years. They both received excellent care, including frequent home visits (four or five times a day in my dad's last two months) from doctors and nurses. My father died at home after a long illness; in America he'd almost certainly not have been able to die at home. I've never asked my doctor in the US to schedule a home visit... Yes, the UK government is now addressing budget problems and over the next several years the NHS will be stressed. At least the British system allows real world problems to be addressed rationally. I wouldn't expect too much from our American dysfunctional government. Leave it to the markets?? Yeah, right, that'll work. As for massive inefficiency, dysfunction and wastage, look at the US system... |
Re: RECENT TRIP TO ENGLAND
Stockport is fucking ace.
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Re: RECENT TRIP TO ENGLAND
Originally Posted by Manc
(Post 9022334)
Stockport is fucking ace.
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Re: RECENT TRIP TO ENGLAND
Originally Posted by cindyabs
(Post 9022227)
Ah, BUT what about if you need treatment in the US and you can't afford your costs out of pocket AND you don't qualify for Medicaid etc?
I found a part private-part state government funded charity that gave me the care and medicine I needed and that i couldn't do without. In my research, I discovered that there were lots of scheme, programmes, etc., for people who don't have health insurance or a job that doesn't provide HI. The issue, as I see it for the current system, is the challenge to get those who are left out of the system, to get them into work and into work that provides HI and to have a better basic coverage system for those who still can't be helped. I do agree that the US system isn't perfect or without hassles for those who use it and clearly there is corruption and pharmaceutical price fixing as well as treatment/surgery/hospital services price fixing too, as there is in the UK/Europe. This is global problem that no-one seems to want to fix. The difference is that in the UK, people are unaware of these costs and of the way the government is managing the system, which is infinitely more expensive. In the US, you are not paying for everyone's else's treatment. |
Re: RECENT TRIP TO ENGLAND
Originally Posted by Volt61
(Post 9022381)
I was in that situation when I first came and i have a chronic health condition.
I found a part private-part state government funded charity that gave me the care and medicine I needed and that i couldn't do without. In my research, I discovered that there were lots of scheme, programmes, etc., for people who don't have health insurance or a job that doesn't provide HI. The issue, as I see it for the current system, is the challenge to get those who are left out of the system, to get them into work and into work that provides HI and to have a better basic coverage system for those who still can't be helped. I do agree that the US system isn't perfect or without hassles for those who use it and clearly there is corruption and pharmaceutical price fixing as well as treatment/surgery/hospital services price fixing too, as there is in the UK/Europe. This is global problem that no-one seems to want to fix. The difference is that in the UK, people are unaware of these costs and of the way the government is managing the system, which is infinitely more expensive. In the US, you are not paying for everyone's else's treatment. This reminds me of the ditty we used to chant as kids- That's Life. What's Life? A magazine. How much does it cost? 50 cents. I don't have 50 cents. That's Life.......... and so it goes. |
Re: RECENT TRIP TO ENGLAND
Originally Posted by cindyabs
(Post 9022389)
Who pays for Medicaid?
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Re: RECENT TRIP TO ENGLAND
Originally Posted by Volt61
(Post 9022381)
The issue, as I see it for the current system, is the challenge to get those who are left out of the system, to get them into work and into work that provides HI and to have a better basic coverage system for those who still can't be helped. |
Re: RECENT TRIP TO ENGLAND
Originally Posted by Manc
(Post 9022334)
Stockport is fucking ace.
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Re: RECENT TRIP TO ENGLAND
Originally Posted by Volt61
(Post 9021600)
Have you tried mobissimo? Best prices for overseas flights I found.
And Amazon sells PG Tips. |
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