Over 40's Moving Back and Catching Up
Jun 22nd 2015, 4:57 pm
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Re: Over 40's Moving Back and Catching Up
Then as an American he doesn't need to give up his American citizenship when he takes the British one...AFAIK
Dual Nationality
A U.S. national may acquire foreign nationality by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. national may not lose the nationality of the country of birth. U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one nationality or another.
Also, a person who is automatically granted another nationality does not risk losing U.S. nationality.
However, a person who acquires a foreign nationality by applying for it may lose U.S. nationality. In order to lose U.S. nationality, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign nationality voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. nationality.
Dual Nationality
A U.S. national may acquire foreign nationality by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. national may not lose the nationality of the country of birth. U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one nationality or another.
Also, a person who is automatically granted another nationality does not risk losing U.S. nationality.
However, a person who acquires a foreign nationality by applying for it may lose U.S. nationality. In order to lose U.S. nationality, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign nationality voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. nationality.
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Jun 22nd 2015, 4:57 pm
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Re: Over 40's Moving Back and Catching Up
On the basis of what you've said, your son is a British citizen by descent. He is entitled to live and work in the UK and he does not have to renounce his USA citizenship. My own husband is a British citizen on the exactly same basis (and no the rules have not changed since he got his British passport). And he holds dual Canadian and British nationality.
It's very difficult to understand what the problem is here.
It's very difficult to understand what the problem is here.
Jun 22nd 2015, 6:51 pm
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Re: Over 40's Moving Back and Catching Up
Septic guy is here digging up our lawn and already saying to OH if it is older than 1990 it may have to be replaced! We only had the distribution box replaced and diligently emptied every two years we have lived here (14 years) and always careful what we put down. Our friends have now left to go home. The Home Inspection is put back to Thursday and the two of us are now basket cases! 
Don't know how much more of this I can take!!
Don't know how much more of this I can take!!
Jun 22nd 2015, 7:58 pm
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Re: Over 40's Moving Back and Catching Up
On the basis of what you've said, your son is a British citizen by descent. He is entitled to live and work in the UK and he does not have to renounce his USA citizenship. My own husband is a British citizen on the exactly same basis (and no the rules have not changed since he got his British passport). And he holds dual Canadian and British nationality.
It's very difficult to understand what the problem is here.
It's very difficult to understand what the problem is here.
Jun 22nd 2015, 11:53 pm
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Re: Over 40's Moving Back and Catching Up
You have my profile down and it is correct.
My son is my biological.
As others have said the rules for children of British fathers may have changed.
He has British birth certificate issued at the British Consulate in San Francisco.
He has sent away for a passport so we will see if there are any restrictions when he receives it in the mail. The last time he mentioned that he may have wasted $150 because of the limitations that it has. This has all been discussed on here. It is confusing.
Cheers
My son is my biological.
As others have said the rules for children of British fathers may have changed.
He has British birth certificate issued at the British Consulate in San Francisco.
He has sent away for a passport so we will see if there are any restrictions when he receives it in the mail. The last time he mentioned that he may have wasted $150 because of the limitations that it has. This has all been discussed on here. It is confusing.
Cheers
First of all I dont think you need to stress yourself out over this, I think it will all be a lot clearer as things progress, what is confusing to me now though is what you say that your Son was born in California, so why would he have a British birth certificate issued from the San francisco British Embassy/consulate ---- surely he would have an American birth certificate,
I always thought that you automatically receive your birth certificate from the country you were born at!!!
Now me thinking in the reverse, ---- take me for example, Im like you really, a little younger maybe but our circumstances are simular, I am British born like you, my Son was born in England with a british birth certificate and he has a british passport and I am his biological father, he is in his 40's now, he has never lived in America, and never wants to, but I did once years ago enquire at the American immigration department if my Son wanted to live in America how could he obtain the right to live and work permanently there, I was told that if I were an american citizen I could sponsor him and he would have full rights in the U.S. but it would take around two years, I dont know but maybe it works the same in England in reverse? ----- maybe?
Jun 23rd 2015, 12:05 am
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Re: Over 40's Moving Back and Catching Up
Septic guy is here digging up our lawn and already saying to OH if it is older than 1990 it may have to be replaced! We only had the distribution box replaced and diligently emptied every two years we have lived here (14 years) and always careful what we put down. Our friends have now left to go home. The Home Inspection is put back to Thursday and the two of us are now basket cases!
Don't know how much more of this I can take!!
Don't know how much more of this I can take!!
I feel for both of you, just hang in there and try to keep calm, I wonder if we have the same system in the U.K. when selling a house, does anyone know? is it just as complicated maybe.
Jun 23rd 2015, 12:25 am
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Re: Over 40's Moving Back and Catching Up
OMG I had no idea that selling a house in North America was so complicated, makes me kind of thankful that I was never in the market to buy a house over there, inspectors digging up the lawn, and why on earth would it have to be replaced simply cause the lawn is older then 1990 ---- so what!!!
I feel for both of you, just hang in there and try to keep calm, I wonder if we have the same system in the U.K. when selling a house, does anyone know? is it just as complicated maybe.
I feel for both of you, just hang in there and try to keep calm, I wonder if we have the same system in the U.K. when selling a house, does anyone know? is it just as complicated maybe.
Jun 23rd 2015, 12:40 am
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Re: Over 40's Moving Back and Catching Up
oh Rodney you did give me a giggle. No the lawn is not old. The pipes in the septic field are over 40 years old and are not draining away the much as they should do! When we came here "straight off the boat" so to speak, we did not even know what all this was and just bought the house with only the home inspection. Yes it is very stressful and we are almost at the end of our tether because we have only been here 14 years and have kept up all maintenance and spent a fortune upgrading over the years! We are hanging in there but only just!
Jun 23rd 2015, 12:42 am
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Re: Over 40's Moving Back and Catching Up
No our tank is a sealed unit and is fine, next to house and pipes are small and 3 ft under surface! It is hard to believe in this day and age that we still have septics in the outlying areas after all we are only 5 min drive to the city!
Jun 23rd 2015, 12:43 am
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Jun 23rd 2015, 2:28 am
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Re: Over 40's Moving Back and Catching Up
I remember last year when you had decided to stay and I too go through the same changes of heart. I had thought that I would stay, Salt Spring Island being an amazing place, but now I am feeling that it is time to leave and so many reasons I would like to be in the UK. My challenge is always to get the house ready to sell when I live alone and am working hard. Only so much energy left at my age! Anyway I have quit one of my jobs that I was hating so will have a bit more time and will make a supreme effort.
Good luck with everything. Remember there is only so much that you can do and the rest is out of your control. Easy for me to say, right?
Sending you best wishes and feeling that you are making the right decision.
Jun 23rd 2015, 3:59 am
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Hi fb. I feel for you. I too am on a septic tank & field and though my place isn't up for sale yet, there seems to be this situation where older septic tanks are being replaced as conditions of sale and that's a cost of... what?... $10,000? I am worried that I might end up in that situation even though, as you did, I replaced the distribution box and it seems to be working perfectly fine. I am very careful with it too. I am following your situation with great interest since we are practically neighbours. Hope you don't have to have it replaced. If you do, it might be worth bargaining for a lesser amount and going forward with the sale anyway. Did you get a good offer or was it a lowball? Hope it all works out.
I remember last year when you had decided to stay and I too go through the same changes of heart. I had thought that I would stay, Salt Spring Island being an amazing place, but now I am feeling that it is time to leave and so many reasons I would like to be in the UK. My challenge is always to get the house ready to sell when I live alone and am working hard. Only so much energy left at my age! Anyway I have quit one of my jobs that I was hating so will have a bit more time and will make a supreme effort.
Good luck with everything. Remember there is only so much that you can do and the rest is out of your control. Easy for me to say, right?
Sending you best wishes and feeling that you are making the right decision.
I remember last year when you had decided to stay and I too go through the same changes of heart. I had thought that I would stay, Salt Spring Island being an amazing place, but now I am feeling that it is time to leave and so many reasons I would like to be in the UK. My challenge is always to get the house ready to sell when I live alone and am working hard. Only so much energy left at my age! Anyway I have quit one of my jobs that I was hating so will have a bit more time and will make a supreme effort.
Good luck with everything. Remember there is only so much that you can do and the rest is out of your control. Easy for me to say, right?
Sending you best wishes and feeling that you are making the right decision.
The buyer originally made a very low ball offer which is "par for the course", we told them we were insulted and will no longer even consider negotiating with them until they came back with a better offer. They did still low but we know where they want to be and we never accepted it gave them $11 000 off eventually which on our house (mid 400's) was a compromise but gave them quick completion date as they had to be out of their home July 21st. We anticipate more money to be taken off and hope that it is negotiable as the field is working and they can live with it like this, emptying it every 2 years and flushing field every 3 years but we probably will give them something for "future" work. We are waiting for the dreaded home inspection now! Feeling really sick. I feel we should negotiate a sum and walk away from this house! OH not so happy and because he would rather stay especially now the weather is beautiful is undecided as to how much. We both agree we would never purchase another house in Canada ever!!! So the wait is still on. Thanks for your wishes and good luck with all your plans too!
Jun 23rd 2015, 4:14 am
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Re: Over 40's Moving Back and Catching Up
Rodney, if one lives in a city.....no problems.
Jun 23rd 2015, 7:02 am
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Re: Over 40's Moving Back and Catching Up
I just talked to my son on the phone and he said he had not sent in the application because there was something on it that said he had to renouce his nationality. No way that is going to happen!
So that's where he is at and the 90 day clock is ticking.
I will see if I can find the form. I think it is online.
Cheers ( in the hot place)
So that's where he is at and the 90 day clock is ticking.
I will see if I can find the form. I think it is online.
Cheers ( in the hot place)
Then as an American he doesn't need to give up his American citizenship when he takes the British one...AFAIK
Dual Nationality
A U.S. national may acquire foreign nationality by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. national may not lose the nationality of the country of birth. U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one nationality or another.
Also, a person who is automatically granted another nationality does not risk losing U.S. nationality.
However, a person who acquires a foreign nationality by applying for it may lose U.S. nationality. In order to lose U.S. nationality, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign nationality voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. nationality.
Dual Nationality
A U.S. national may acquire foreign nationality by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. national may not lose the nationality of the country of birth. U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one nationality or another.
Also, a person who is automatically granted another nationality does not risk losing U.S. nationality.
However, a person who acquires a foreign nationality by applying for it may lose U.S. nationality. In order to lose U.S. nationality, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign nationality voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. nationality.
On the basis of what you've said, your son is a British citizen by descent. He is entitled to live and work in the UK and he does not have to renounce his USA citizenship. My own husband is a British citizen on the exactly same basis (and no the rules have not changed since he got his British passport). And he holds dual Canadian and British nationality.
It's very difficult to understand what the problem is here.
It's very difficult to understand what the problem is here.
By the sound of what you have posted here there is no problem with him getting full rights to live and work in the Uk.
Jun 23rd 2015, 7:23 am
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Re: Over 40's Moving Back and Catching Up
You have my profile down and it is correct.
My son is my biological.
As others have said the rules for children of British fathers may have changed.
He has British birth certificate issued at the British Consulate in San Francisco.
He has sent away for a passport so we will see if there are any restrictions when he receives it in the mail. The last time he mentioned that he may have wasted $150 because of the limitations that it has. This has all been discussed on here. It is confusing.
Cheers
My son is my biological.
As others have said the rules for children of British fathers may have changed.
He has British birth certificate issued at the British Consulate in San Francisco.
He has sent away for a passport so we will see if there are any restrictions when he receives it in the mail. The last time he mentioned that he may have wasted $150 because of the limitations that it has. This has all been discussed on here. It is confusing.
Cheers
I just talked to my son on the phone and he said he had not sent in the application because there was something on it that said he had to renouce his nationality. No way that is going to happen!
So that's where he is at and the 90 day clock is ticking.
I will see if I can find the form. I think it is online.
Cheers ( in the hot place)
So that's where he is at and the 90 day clock is ticking.
I will see if I can find the form. I think it is online.
Cheers ( in the hot place)
Providing your son's British passport describes him as a British Citizen then he can move to the UK and start work tomorrow as he has all the same rights to live and work in the UK (Right of Abode) as any other British citizen.
I'm sure where he's getting his information from but either his source is wrong or he's misinterpreting it.