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robin1234 Nov 20th 2019 1:33 am

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On the topic of Eric Blair’s birth in India, these two articles in Wikipedia seem to have a different story about the extent to which he’s memorialized in the town of his birth;

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Orwell

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motihari

Kokocookman Nov 20th 2019 2:47 am

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Question?
What “strain of socialism” are you referring to?
Im sure I probably have this wrong, but I thought socialism on its own isn’t really a “thing”. It’s almost always linked to another form of governing. Fascism, communism, etc.
It also seems to be, historically speaking, simply a device to stir a sentiment of solidarity and hope (reasonably as these are massively popular with the populace) to garner compliance.
What I’ve read of Orwell, he seems to depict the perversion of the idea of an egalitarian society. The precarious balance of a government that protects it citizens and of one that has over reached, to the utter destruction of individualism for the sole purpose of complete power.
durno? I’m a yankee

spouse of scouse Nov 20th 2019 2:53 am

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Originally Posted by Kokocookman (Post 12766337)
Question?
What “brand of socialism” are you referring to?

Just a tip - if you click on 'Quote' at the bottom of the message you're replying to and type your post in the box that appears, then both that message and your own post will appear together, as in this post to you. Then the person you're asking the question of will know it's them you're asking.

scot47 Nov 20th 2019 4:10 am

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I think some people in Motihari are now taking Orwell a bit more seriously. Orwell himnself said the three great ills of modern times were

Imperialism
Fascism
Stalinism

and described himself as "A Democratic Socialist " He was a member of the ILP.

robin1234 Nov 20th 2019 12:37 pm

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Originally Posted by Kokocookman (Post 12766337)
Question?
What “strain of socialism” are you referring to?
Im sure I probably have this wrong, but I thought socialism on its own isn’t really a “thing”. It’s almost always linked to another form of governing. Fascism, communism, etc.
It also seems to be, historically speaking, simply a device to stir a sentiment of solidarity and hope (reasonably as these are massively popular with the populace) to garner compliance.
What I’ve read of Orwell, he seems to depict the perversion of the idea of an egalitarian society. The precarious balance of a government that protects it citizens and of one that has over reached, to the utter destruction of individualism for the sole purpose of complete power.
durno? I’m a yankee

“It’s almost always linked to another form of governing. Fascism, communism, etc.”
I’d add “democracy” to that list. The British Labour Party was a socialist party until the 1990s, of course it was committed to democracy. Same with social democrats in Germany, Sweden, a ton of other western democracies.
“What I’ve read of Orwell, he seems to depict the perversion of the idea of an egalitarian society.”
In his books 1984 and Animal Farm, yes. Of course, these were only a small part of his total oeuvre. He saw the Second World War as a dangerous government overreach in Britain, with widespread surveillance, propaganda and suppression of freedom of the press. (Of course, he was part of this himself, with his propaganda work for the BBC.) He also wrote during the twenties and thirties when he had other priorities..


scot47 Nov 20th 2019 2:53 pm

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His dystopian vision of "1984" was partly based on his experiences working for the BBC !

He was a member of the ILP. For those not familiar with the history of the English Left, have a look at this - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Labour_Party

robin1234 Nov 20th 2019 4:44 pm

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Talking about the BBC, I’ve meant to read the history by the great Asa Briggs. Three volumes, maybe. It never quite gets to the top of the to do list, and at this point, it may never happen.

I guess I misremembered. It’s the History of Broadcasting in the UK, and it’s at least four volumes..

Shard Nov 20th 2019 5:13 pm

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Originally Posted by scot47 (Post 12766611)
His dystopian vision of "1984" was partly based on his experiences working for the BBC !

He was a member of the ILP. For those not familiar with the history of the English Left, have a look at this - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Labour_Party

That makes a lot of sense, but also, kind of detracts from the dystopia in that it was not purely imagined.

scot47 Nov 20th 2019 8:11 pm

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English Public School, Colonial Police Force under The Raj, The BBC - that sounds dystopian to me !

Shard Nov 21st 2019 11:46 am

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Originally Posted by scot47 (Post 12766822)
English Public School, Colonial Police Force under The Raj, The BBC - that sounds dystopian to me !

:rofl:

Gordon Barlow Nov 22nd 2019 1:51 am

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An interesting opinion on the supposed origin of 1984's "Thought Police".
https://fee.org/articles/the-origins...they-scare-us/

scot47 Dec 1st 2019 1:37 pm

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Join us on Bute on Saturday 30 May 2020 for a Day on Orwell

"Orwell Who He Was and What He Wrote".

11 AM to 4 PM

scot47 Dec 2nd 2019 1:53 pm

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Tyop from me. Daet is 30 May !

BEVS Dec 2nd 2019 6:44 pm

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Originally Posted by scot47 (Post 12772720)
Typo from me. Date is 30 May !

I adjusted for you .

kimilseung Dec 2nd 2019 7:49 pm

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I am a bit of a fan of Orwell, one of few writers that I have dug in to their essays and journalism. There was (is) a collection in four volumes of these shorter pieces. I prefer his non fiction to his fiction, Homage to Catalonia standing out strong.
i too have noted how two of his novels are obsessed over in the States, predominantly by the right, though their message is relevant to all, his more clearly socialist work might as well not exist in the US.


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