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Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
Originally Posted by Westralia
Which government isn't in the pockets of corporations or other elites with selfish agendas?
Given our isolation from world markets curtailing trade opportunities and lack of water, I believe not many more than we have now. |
Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
Originally Posted by Rosie Cheeks
Well are you........
No i am english. and if i had had to give up my passport i owuldn't have applied either. |
Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
Originally Posted by louise4
Who me? :confused:
No i am english. and if i had had to give up my passport i owuldn't have applied either. That was directed at Westralia, I was wondering if they are an Aussie. Apologies. Have you got citizenship then? |
Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
Originally Posted by Rosie Cheeks
Oh no, sorry Louise, not you! Didn't come out right that one. Sorry!!!
That was directed at Westralia, I was wondering if they are an Aussie. Apologies. Have you got citizenship then? If it had been required to hand over your brit passport when you gained PR or Citizenship i don't think i would have bothered in the first place. Just because you take citizenship in another country what right does that country have to demand that you give up your country of birth. That just smacks of playgound madness to me. |
Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
Originally Posted by louise4
No we don't have citizen ship. We are back in blighty and loving it :D .
If it had been required to hand over your brit passport when you gained PR or Citizenship i don't think i would have bothered in the first place. Just because you take citizenship in another country what right does that country have to demand that you give up your country of birth. That just smacks of playgound madness to me. I am sure I will be corrected on that if I am wrong. I certainly wouldn't have even moved here if it meant giving up my UK passport just for getting a PR visa. That would be crazy. I wish I was back in blighty, I am envious. |
Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
Originally Posted by Westralia
Anyone would think we are desperate for more people here. We aren't.
But in terms of natural resources, I don't believe the population growth targets are particularly well thought out. |
Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
Originally Posted by Rosie Cheeks
As I recall, Aussies were required to give up their Aussie passport when gaining UK citizenship prior to April 2002.
I am sure I will be corrected on that if I am wrong. I certainly wouldn't have even moved here if it meant giving up my UK passport just for getting a PR visa. That would be crazy. I wish I was back in blighty, I am envious. |
Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
Answered my own question :D
The British Consul exists to protect the interests of British nationals abroad. Some British citizens have dual nationality, meaning they are also nationals of another country. Being a dual national can affect the level of consular help you receive. Help from the British Consul If you are a dual national and are in the country of your other nationality, the British Consul cannot formally help you, though it will aim to do what it can to help informally. The British Consul cannot:
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Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
Originally Posted by louise4
Surley that comes from their government though not ours. we have thousands of people carrying dual citizenship here, or am i wrong :confused: :o . Does the UK allow people to carry dual citizenship?
And I'm not totally sure of my facts on renouncing your citizenship. |
Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
Originally Posted by Rosie Cheeks
I actually like Westralias style. Rebellious. I find alot of Australians follow the brainwashed crowd. I also don't know where Westralia is from, but I do assume they are an Australian?
Well are you........ Our culture has been in a permanent state of flux since Australia's inception. I can understand why migrants that are dissatisfied with certain aspects of the Australian way of life. However, we haven't been afforded periods of population stability European countries have to develop a common culture. This has been worsened with post 1970's policies of multiculturalism - the sanitised term for ethnic segregation. I would recommend to anyone considering migrating here to take a map of Australia and replace the uninhabited interior desert regions with ocean, leaving strips of coastline and small islands not too dissimilar from the Indonesian archipelego. This will give you a visual representation of the unique, near on insurmountable difficulties associated with developing a strong cultural identity to rival european ones you have become accustomed to and understandably notice the absense of here. At the same time, I am not meaning to disparage my culture to appease those disillusioned with the life here. It is what it is for the reasons above and won't be changing in a hurry. |
Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
Originally Posted by louise4
Answered my own question :D
The British Consul exists to protect the interests of British nationals abroad. Some British citizens have dual nationality, meaning they are also nationals of another country. Being a dual national can affect the level of consular help you receive. Help from the British Consul If you are a dual national and are in the country of your other nationality, the British Consul cannot formally help you, though it will aim to do what it can to help informally. The British Consul cannot:
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Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
Originally Posted by Rosie Cheeks
Oh no, I'm doomed! :D
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Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
Originally Posted by louise4
Best behave yourself then :D :eek:
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Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
So you can hold dual nationality in the UK. No restrictions here, so i think that we should be able to hold dual citizenship in OZ or it is very unfair to say that we have to give it up if everyone else can keep theirs.
Copied from uk website: Dual nationality In general there is no restriction, in UK law, on a British national being a citizen of another country as well. So, if you get another nationality, you will not lose your British nationality. Similarly, you will not need to give up any other nationality when you become British. The Home Office provides more detailed information |
Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
Originally Posted by HiddenPaw
You have an ageing population, a low birth rate, too many scroungers and not enough taxpayers to fund the economy. Hence your govt's huge immigration programme.
But in terms of natural resources, I don't believe the population growth targets are particularly well thought out. I don't understand what you are getting at with your reference to too many scroungers and not enough taxpayers. Our mineral resources, which are unbelievably vast, is sufficient to support the current population at the current standard of living (In the top 5 in the world as much as the antis here would probably deny) well into the future. The problem is we also have this little problem that has infected the rest of western europe, canada and japan called socialism. I believe in a safety net but at present, people here are being encouraged not to work through ridiculously excessive levels of welfare designed to keep public servants employed administering these programs and to secure the votes of welfare recipients. Surely you can see the parallels between the UK and Australia in this regard? |
Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
Originally Posted by Westralia
WA born and bred. 5th generation Australian.
Our culture has been in a permanent state of flux since Australia's inception. I can understand why migrants that are dissatisfied with certain aspects of the Australian way of life. However, we haven't been afforded periods of population stability European countries have to develop a common culture. This has been worsened with post 1970's policies of multiculturalism - the sanitised term for ethnic segregation. I would recommend to anyone considering migrating here to take a map of Australia and replace the uninhabited interior desert regions with ocean, leaving strips of coastline and small islands not too dissimilar from the Indonesian archipelego. This will give you a visual representation of the unique, near on insurmountable difficulties associated with developing a strong cultural identity to rival european ones you have become accustomed to and understandably notice the absense of here. At the same time, I am not meaning to disparage my culture to appease those disillusioned with the life here. It is what it is for the reasons above and won't be changing in a hurry. Great post. Brilliant in fact. |
Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
Originally Posted by Westralia
The problem is we also have this little problem that has infected the rest of western europe, canada and japan called socialism. I believe in a safety net but at present, people here are being encouraged not to work through ridiculously excessive levels of welfare designed to keep public servants employed administering these programs and to secure the votes of welfare recipients.
Surely you can see the parallels between the UK and Australia in this regard? |
Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
Originally Posted by Westralia
Every western country has sub-replacement birth rates. How the aged welfare problem will be dealt with here by increasing the population to a level that is neither economically, socially or environmentally tenable long term is an utter mystery to me. Maybe the powers to be are of the view that if the aged are to have a shittier existence in the future, so can everyone else.
I don't understand what you are getting at with your reference to too many scroungers and not enough taxpayers. Our mineral resources, which are unbelievably vast, is sufficient to support the current population at the current standard of living (In the top 5 in the world as much as the antis here would probably deny) well into the future. The problem is we also have this little problem that has infected the rest of western europe, canada and japan called socialism. I believe in a safety net but at present, people here are being encouraged not to work through ridiculously excessive levels of welfare designed to keep public servants employed administering these programs and to secure the votes of welfare recipients. Surely you can see the parallels between the UK and Australia in this regard? |
Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
Originally Posted by Rosie Cheeks
The Aussie systems and social policies appear to be based on the British Model, as is the tax system? It is correct to have a social policy. But I notice the "scroungers" here more so than I did in the UK for some reason. Could be due to the smaller population - less opportunity not to notice them.
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Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
Originally Posted by louise4
It's so funny peoples different experiences. we noticd hardley any scroungers in oz. we actually came away thinking that the oz system was far tougher than that of the uk. Just show's what different experiences can highlight :)
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Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
You could always use the US system whereby people are thrown onto the social scrap heap and left to rot on a whim.
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Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
Originally Posted by Old William
You could always use the US system whereby people are thrown onto the social scrap heap and left to rot on a whim.
There are people out there who so need the governments help and could have a lot more of it if the the other lot got off their backsides and were made to work for their living. |
Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
Originally Posted by Exile
This article came up in a thread on the Aussie forum. I thought it might interest people thinking about returning from Australia, as it gives a perspective we don't hear too often.
(Thanks to Iamthecreaturefromuranus for original post) http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...340890279.html And another thing I found interesting about this article is when they wrote that "Almost 1 million Australians now live overseas and those abandoning their homeland are some of the brightest stars born under the Southern Cross". This is funny, because we are constantly told in the UK that our brightest are going to Australia. Where are all these geniuses really going then? US maybe? An interesting article, but ultimately one focused on a very specific type of high-profile career. Also, these people have the ability to return to Australia any time no questions asked and this distorts their perception of Britain. I wouldn't add this to my Reasons-To-Leave-Australia List. |
Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
Originally Posted by Old William
You could always use the US system whereby people are thrown onto the social scrap heap and left to rot on a whim.
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Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
Originally Posted by Westralia
Every western country has sub-replacement birth rates. How the aged welfare problem will be dealt with here by increasing the population to a level that is neither economically, socially or environmentally tenable long term is an utter mystery to me. Maybe the powers to be are of the view that if the aged are to have a shittier existence in the future, so can everyone else.
I don't understand what you are getting at with your reference to too many scroungers and not enough taxpayers. Our mineral resources, which are unbelievably vast, is sufficient to support the current population at the current standard of living (In the top 5 in the world as much as the antis here would probably deny) well into the future. The problem is we also have this little problem that has infected the rest of western europe, canada and japan called socialism. I believe in a safety net but at present, people here are being encouraged not to work through ridiculously excessive levels of welfare designed to keep public servants employed administering these programs and to secure the votes of welfare recipients. Surely you can see the parallels between the UK and Australia in this regard? As for resources, I will use Melbourne's growth targets as an example. Population there is set to top 5 million by 2025. The city is already struggling to provide enough water for 3.5m so how do they plan to provide for 5m? There are no specific measures in place - with the exception perhaps of some water recycling strategies which so far are way off target anyway. I do see lots of parallels between the UK and Australia. I wasn't trying to say that the UK system is a perfectly working model (in fact, I didn't mention the UK at all!). |
Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
Originally Posted by HiddenPaw
What I am getting at is that the current working population in Australia is relatively small, and the revenue generated from taxpayers is insufficient to support the country and provide an infrastructure for the future. Australia currently has one of the lowest levels of 'aged' employment (i.e. >55s) in the western world. A huge percentage of people are retiring in their mid-50s and this trend cannot continue unless the younger workface is increased. The retirement age for women has already been increased to 62, and is set to reach 65 by 2012, and there is talk of increasing the male retirement age to 67. Add to this the increasing cost of the social welfare system and the fact that in years to come the dwindling birth rate will mean a smaller home-grown workforce, then yes, Australia does need more people.
As for resources, I will use Melbourne's growth targets as an example. Population there is set to top 5 million by 2025. The city is already struggling to provide enough water for 3.5m so how do they plan to provide for 5m? There are no specific measures in place - with the exception perhaps of some water recycling strategies which so far are way off target anyway. I do see lots of parallels between the UK and Australia. I wasn't trying to say that the UK system is a perfectly working model (in fact, I didn't mention the UK at all!). Although not everyone has accepted it, there are only two answers to this problem: 1. More immigrants (as they tend to have more children). 2. Have more children ourselves. Or both, I suppose. The only Western nation that has reversed the trend in birth rate decline is actually Australia, although America is doing OK because of the large Hispanic population tat also tends to have lots of kids. |
Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
Originally Posted by tableland
This is an interesting article, but it's quite misleading because the guy they focused on is obviously a huge earner and in a business where living in US/UK is a clear advantage. For most people on ordinary salaries stuck in the dark and rainy commute every morning, the UK is less attractive. Also, your judgment about the UK would be different if, like this guy, you have an Australian passport: he knows he can leave whenever he wants, and even refers to retiring in Australia.
And another thing I found interesting about this article is when they wrote that "Almost 1 million Australians now live overseas and those abandoning their homeland are some of the brightest stars born under the Southern Cross". This is funny, because we are constantly told in the UK that our brightest are going to Australia. Where are all these geniuses really going then? US maybe? An interesting article, but ultimately one focused on a very specific type of high-profile career. Also, these people have the ability to return to Australia any time no questions asked and this distorts their perception of Britain. I wouldn't add this to my Reasons-To-Leave-Australia List. I don't know if this is right or not, but it seems that you don't get many "ordinary" Aussies moving to the UK to work anyway. They are usually professional people, who want that extra edge for when they get back to Australia, after getting the experience elsewhere that will put them ahead of the rest in their field. |
Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
Originally Posted by tableland
This problem is in every Western nation. France and Britain are among the worst in fact. Look at the British policy of shifting retirement up to 68 and the enormous tax rises proposed recently. Britain has a dwindling tax base because no one is having children and those that do are part of the 1000 people leaving Britain every day in emigration. Also, older people live longer now and their medicine is getting very expensive.
Although not everyone has accepted it, there are only two answers to this problem: 1. More immigrants (as they tend to have more children). 2. Have more children ourselves. Or both, I suppose. The only Western nation that has reversed the trend in birth rate decline is actually Australia, although America is doing OK because of the large Hispanic population tat also tends to have lots of kids. |
Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
Originally Posted by paulrachel
i wonder if the UK payed woman to have babies like they do in OZ, there would be more pregnancies??? I mean $4000 per child in OZ is alot of money.
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Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
Originally Posted by tableland
This problem is in every Western nation. France and Britain are among the worst in fact. Look at the British policy of shifting retirement up to 68 and the enormous tax rises proposed recently. Britain has a dwindling tax base because no one is having children and those that do are part of the 1000 people leaving Britain every day in emigration. Also, older people live longer now and their medicine is getting very expensive.
Although not everyone has accepted it, there are only two answers to this problem: 1. More immigrants (as they tend to have more children). 2. Have more children ourselves. Or both, I suppose. The only Western nation that has reversed the trend in birth rate decline is actually Australia, although America is doing OK because of the large Hispanic population tat also tends to have lots of kids. |
Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
Originally Posted by HiddenPaw
What I am getting at is that the current working population in Australia is relatively small, and the revenue generated from taxpayers is insufficient to support the country and provide an infrastructure for the future. Australia currently has one of the lowest levels of 'aged' employment (i.e. >55s) in the western world. A huge percentage of people are retiring in their mid-50s and this trend cannot continue unless the younger workface is increased. The retirement age for women has already been increased to 62, and is set to reach 65 by 2012, and there is talk of increasing the male retirement age to 67. Add to this the increasing cost of the social welfare system and the fact that in years to come the dwindling birth rate will mean a smaller home-grown workforce, then yes, Australia does need more people.
As for resources, I will use Melbourne's growth targets as an example. Population there is set to top 5 million by 2025. The city is already struggling to provide enough water for 3.5m so how do they plan to provide for 5m? There are no specific measures in place - with the exception perhaps of some water recycling strategies which so far are way off target anyway. I do see lots of parallels between the UK and Australia. I wasn't trying to say that the UK system is a perfectly working model (in fact, I didn't mention the UK at all!). |
Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
Originally Posted by tableland
This is exactly why the birth rate has gone up and is a rare example of government policy working.
I would like to add that it was a drop in the ocean of the total tax bill. |
Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
Originally Posted by Rosie Cheeks
Is there really 1000 people leaving Britain everyday. Wow, I didn't realise that. Where are they going to? The majority to Australia?
The most popular places were: Australia New Zealand Spain Canada United States They go on about immigration a lot in the news, but they don't shout about the emigration much. Thinking about it now, they really need to do something to retain skilled people in the UK. They might argue that they can replace them all with skilled people from Poland, etc., and while this is true on a purely technical level, what about the impact on British culture? This amount of people leaving is the equivalent of the population of Birmingham leaving Britain every year. Frankly, it's a scandal and the government should be doing more to address this exodus. |
Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
Originally Posted by tableland
Or both, I suppose. The only Western nation that has reversed the trend in birth rate decline is actually Australia, although America is doing OK because of the large Hispanic population tat also tends to have lots of kids.
I'm not sure of the current rate but I do believe it is still way below the required "replacement" birth rate. |
Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
Originally Posted by Westralia
Our primary industries are not labour intensive and will be less so over time. Pray tell, what do these extra people produce to exchange for crucial imports when when you are as isolated from major markets as we are and cannot achieve economies of scale that are even remotely competitive with newly emerged asian manufacturing powerhouses that have a bottomless supply of cheap labour?
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Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
Originally Posted by HiddenPaw
It has only done this in the last couple of years then. The rate at the turn of the new millenium was about half of what it had been in the early 1960s. A turnaround since the introduction of the "baby bonus" payment, perhaps?
I'm not sure of the current rate but I do believe it is still way below the required "replacement" birth rate. |
Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
Originally Posted by tableland
It was in the news a few weeks ago. It was reported that 1500 come in every day, and it also reportedthat there is an overall gain of 500 a day to the British population. This must mean that 1000 a day leave, and this ties in with another approximate figure in the news recently that stated over 350,000 a year are emigrating.
The most popular places were: Australia New Zealand Spain Canada United States They go on about immigration a lot in the news, but they don't shout about the emigration much. Thinking about it now, they really need to do something to retain skilled people in the UK. They might argue that they can replace them all with skilled people from Poland, etc., and while this is true on a purely technical level, what about the impact on British culture? This amount of people leaving is the equivalent of the population of Birmingham leaving Britain every year. Frankly, it's a scandal and the government should be doing more to address this exodus. A wide range of skilled people are leaving aren't they. Brickies, Nurses, Doctors, Hairdressers, very diverse. |
Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
Having worked with Aussies and Kiwis in the Uk I find this a very interesting topic. I hadn't thought a great deal about the professional people moving to the UK but on reflection there is more than an element of truth in it. London is one of the favoured destinations for the go-getting university graduates who want to achieve. The City of London is a magnet for the financially driven and also for those who want opportunities to join international firms. Without exception I have always found them wide-eyed and excited being here and very willing to learn more. They love the travel to the continent an a matter of a couple of hours and the huge variety of cultural experiences Europe brings.
The other group of Aussies over here is the student types and the early 20yo who want to travel and work their way on their 2 year visas. These are often secretaries, office staff and nurses-lord knows what the Uk would do without our Aussies in the hospitals and doing temp secretarial jobs. A lot of these are happy to go back to Oz after their two years. The real contrast is in looking through the expat forums at the people who are going in the opposite direction.Oz have their specified trades and age groups-and it is illuminating to me that the people going there are of the tradesman rather than management group. If I am right in this simplistic view, then what Oz is in danger of finding that the driving forces of their economy, the motivated, highly educated business creators and managers are actually leaving to be replaced by a workman/tradesmen group. This is not to downplay the importance of tradespeople people, more to highlight that every economy for its long term health needs all sorts, and not to lose those people who have the business creation skills in the first place. As a professional myself I did many years ago research the possibility of moving to Oz but found that my business expertise was not on the wanted list so I dropped the idea. Maybe business opportunities in Oz are limited. The other section of British expats seems to me to be the more negative "get away from the Uk for a better life" group as the Uk is going to the dogs and the better weather. This is quite a contrast with Oz expats come here because they see opportunities for themselves. I realise this is all a vast over-generalisation because where we are there is often something in the back of your mind that the grass is greener on the other side. But an interesting topic nevertheless. I have relatives in Oz and they like their life there and hope to visit them shortly. |
Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
Originally Posted by wheatsheaf42
Having worked with Aussies and Kiwis in the Uk I find this a very interesting topic. I hadn't thought a great deal about the professional people moving to the UK but on reflection there is more than an element of truth in it. London is one of the favoured destinations for the go-getting university graduates who want to achieve. The City of London is a magnet for the financially driven and also for those who want opportunities to join international firms. Without exception I have always found them wide-eyed and excited being here and very willing to learn more. They love the travel to the continent an a matter of a couple of hours and the huge variety of cultural experiences Europe brings.
The other group of Aussies over here is the student types and the early 20yo who want to travel and work their way on their 2 year visas. These are often secretaries, office staff and nurses-lord knows what the Uk would do without our Aussies in the hospitals and doing temp secretarial jobs. A lot of these are happy to go back to Oz after their two years. The real contrast is in looking through the expat forums at the people who are going in the opposite direction.Oz have their specified trades and age groups-and it is illuminating to me that the people going there are of the tradesman rather than management group. If I am right in this simplistic view, then what Oz is in danger of finding that the driving forces of their economy, the motivated, highly educated business creators and managers are actually leaving to be replaced by a workman/tradesmen group. This is not to downplay the importance of tradespeople people, more to highlight that every economy for its long term health needs all sorts, and not to lose those people who have the business creation skills in the first place. As a professional myself I did many years ago research the possibility of moving to Oz but found that my business expertise was not on the wanted list so I dropped the idea. Maybe business opportunities in Oz are limited. The other section of British expats seems to me to be the more negative "get away from the Uk for a better life" group as the Uk is going to the dogs and the better weather. This is quite a contrast with Oz expats come here because they see opportunities for themselves. I realise this is all a vast over-generalisation because where we are there is often something in the back of your mind that the grass is greener on the other side. But an interesting topic nevertheless. I have relatives in Oz and they like their life there and hope to visit them shortly. Things will become very unbalanced indeed. My hubby was one of those wide eyed, excited graduates and in my experience they are very welcome in the UK. I had so much fun with him in the UK, travelling around, living in different places, holidays in Europe. Everybody seemed to love the Aussies. He had a fantastic time, threw himself into the culture, and into learning as much as he could about his profession. Spot on about the hospitals and their Aussie workers, I know that first hand. |
Re: Interesting reading for those thinking of returning from Oz
Originally Posted by wheatsheaf42
Having worked with Aussies and Kiwis in the Uk I find this a very interesting topic. I hadn't thought a great deal about the professional people moving to the UK but on reflection there is more than an element of truth in it. London is one of the favoured destinations for the go-getting university graduates who want to achieve. The City of London is a magnet for the financially driven and also for those who want opportunities to join international firms. Without exception I have always found them wide-eyed and excited being here and very willing to learn more. They love the travel to the continent an a matter of a couple of hours and the huge variety of cultural experiences Europe brings.
The other group of Aussies over here is the student types and the early 20yo who want to travel and work their way on their 2 year visas. These are often secretaries, office staff and nurses-lord knows what the Uk would do without our Aussies in the hospitals and doing temp secretarial jobs. A lot of these are happy to go back to Oz after their two years. The real contrast is in looking through the expat forums at the people who are going in the opposite direction.Oz have their specified trades and age groups-and it is illuminating to me that the people going there are of the tradesman rather than management group. If I am right in this simplistic view, then what Oz is in danger of finding that the driving forces of their economy, the motivated, highly educated business creators and managers are actually leaving to be replaced by a workman/tradesmen group. This also goes a long way toward accounting for the "brain drain" here. The brain drain term implies that the phenomenon is extremely detrimental to the economy here. In reality, it isn't since we don't have, and likely never will have, the industries here to capitalise on their talents without the government bankrolling them. Again, you must take into account that Australia doesn't have half a billion wealthy europeans nor americans on our doorstep to market higher level products to on a scale large enough to justify the massive amounts of investment required to compete. The tyranny of distance, my friend. |
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