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Old Nov 20th 2008, 9:22 am
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Originally Posted by Tr1boy
You've said about this before, and I honestly don't get it. The cycling culture and scene and driving courtesy is far far superior to anything I've experienced in Oz and the US. I was in the UK in Sept/Oct and couldn't move for offers of racing and training. I'm heading over again on Dec19th and taking my Opera Ti with me this time.

Are you sure it's not your attitude/situation stopping you from riding? I'm not saying you're fibbing or anything, but are you sure you are not 'shutting yourself away'? One of the huge pluses for me in MBTTUK next year is to get back to real cycling culture and courteous drivers. Not a patch on Europe of course, but far far better than anything I've experienced in the 'newer' countries.

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I think I said this before, but I'll repeat: I am not a racer ... the local scene is all about racing and "serious" training (i.e., if you can't hack a 20 mph average, you get left behind) ... not much sociable about that. I'm hardly a whimp on the bike but 20 mph on hilly terrain, and 60-100 miles at a pop I can't do.

I do get out on the bike (less so when the weather is dreich), but there doesn't appear to be a social cycling group - I agree, drivers in the UK are generally very accommodating of riders, but that doesn't help me to socialise... sorry if you don't "get it", but we're not all made the same.
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Originally Posted by dunroving
In short "everything is wrong" (almost), so it's not just the money side of things. In fact, my salary isn't bad at all, and I'd find it difficult to match a uni lecturer's salary by changing jobs or career (besides, I only completed my PhD 12 years ago and in my mind, this was the career for the rest of my life).

It's not just the month-to-month financial challenges (though even on an academic's salary, it's surprising how little is left at the end of the month) but the financial millstone that is a 25-year mortgage hanging around my neck (I'd easily be mortgage-free by now if I'd stayed in the US), with only 14 years to retirement.

So the list goes something like this, in order of "dawning realisation" after landing here in July 2006: Wow, I didn't realise houses would be so expensive (Wales, compared to NC, USA), hmmm, it's not much fun being stuck somewhere where I don't know anyone and it's hard to get to know anyone, oh crap, this weather is so bad I hardly ever get out on the bike any more, getting the dog taken care of during the day is a logistical nightmare, boy I miss being able to walk to work, oh shit houses in Scotland are even more expensive - and rising, so I'd better get on the ladder quick, this weather absolutely sucks, what the bejesus is happening to house prices now - I'll be in negative equity before I know it.


... there is so much more than that list, but the one I have kept separate is the dawning realisation of how different teaching university students is in my current job (and, from what I can tell in a lot of UK uni's) compared to the places I taught in the States. I used to revel in the relationships I had with students in the US, whereas here students often miss class, sit at the back texting, don't do any of the assigned reading, then complain that they don't understand the material! Again, it's a lot more compicated that that, but my career has been about the most important thing in my life and the thought of continuing like this until I retire kills me. Even the Departmental culture is like night and day, compared to my US experience. here, it's all about scheduling meetings, interminable reports and curriculum evaluations, a hailstorm of emails requesting information (just let me get on with my job, for God's sake!). It's much more like a "job", almost like working in an office job, than "being an academic"

No, I don't have family here. After 2 years back, I still struggle to make friends. In the US, much of my social circle was generated from the cycling fraternity but even that doesn't work here.
I certainly remember how torn you were in going back to the Uk.Might be wrong but think you had a brother who you were once very close with.In any case I can see how perplexing it can feel to be in a place where you have a divided long history.It's a bit like being torn apart.Have you ever ask your self would you like NC if you were not working and retired? It might have a different appeal to you.Have you look that far down the road?

Would you consider moving to the outskirts of cities like Manchester or Birmingham? Might be just the solution to allow you to have the culture you yearned and could very well put you in the working and social enviroment that feels right. Wales might be pretty isolated compared to what you are use to.Are you daring enough to move to a area of the UK where you've never lived?Not so sure I would give up on the UK too quickly.The answer to this problem might be a few adjustments in region of the country of your birth.
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Originally Posted by dunroving
I think I said this before, but I'll repeat: I am not a racer ... the local scene is all about racing and "serious" training (i.e., if you can't hack a 20 mph average, you get left behind) ... not much sociable about that. I'm hardly a whimp on the bike but 20 mph on hilly terrain, and 60-100 miles at a pop I can't do.

I do get out on the bike (less so when the weather is dreich), but there doesn't appear to be a social cycling group - I agree, drivers in the UK are generally very accommodating of riders, but that doesn't help me to socialise... sorry if you don't "get it", but we're not all made the same.
I'm not suggesting we are the same am I? I've just never come across anyone that couldn't find their riding niche in the UK. But it's obviously different where you are. That's a shame.
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Originally Posted by YankeemovingAbroad
I'm sorry if this has been asked but why can't you just find a different area in the UK where you could have the type of social and work success that you desire?You are obviously very intelligent and if you can find contentment in NC(I grew up there) of all places happiness has to be possible in the UK.

Might take a year or two so property values can improve but as a observer your goals seem reachable in the UK.Sound like its a matter of finding a region of the country where property prices are a bit cheaper so less money is going out to afford a mortgage, and being in a place where people are slightly more approachable.North Carolina people are friendly but is that much different to people in the north of England?
Dunroving is in Scotland, not England

Dunroving,
Sorry to hear that you are still unhappy where you are. I hope you can get something sorted out soon re your move back to the US..
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Originally Posted by dunroving
In short "everything is wrong" (almost), so it's not just the money side of things. In fact, my salary isn't bad at all, and I'd find it difficult to match a uni lecturer's salary by changing jobs or career (besides, I only completed my PhD 12 years ago and in my mind, this was the career for the rest of my life).

It's not just the month-to-month financial challenges (though even on an academic's salary, it's surprising how little is left at the end of the month) but the financial millstone that is a 25-year mortgage hanging around my neck (I'd easily be mortgage-free by now if I'd stayed in the US), with only 14 years to retirement.

So the list goes something like this, in order of "dawning realisation" after landing here in July 2006: Wow, I didn't realise houses would be so expensive (Wales, compared to NC, USA), hmmm, it's not much fun being stuck somewhere where I don't know anyone and it's hard to get to know anyone, oh crap, this weather is so bad I hardly ever get out on the bike any more, getting the dog taken care of during the day is a logistical nightmare, boy I miss being able to walk to work, oh shit houses in Scotland are even more expensive - and rising, so I'd better get on the ladder quick, this weather absolutely sucks, what the bejesus is happening to house prices now - I'll be in negative equity before I know it.


... there is so much more than that list, but the one I have kept separate is the dawning realisation of how different teaching university students is in my current job (and, from what I can tell in a lot of UK uni's) compared to the places I taught in the States. I used to revel in the relationships I had with students in the US, whereas here students often miss class, sit at the back texting, don't do any of the assigned reading, then complain that they don't understand the material! Again, it's a lot more compicated that that, but my career has been about the most important thing in my life and the thought of continuing like this until I retire kills me. Even the Departmental culture is like night and day, compared to my US experience. here, it's all about scheduling meetings, interminable reports and curriculum evaluations, a hailstorm of emails requesting information (just let me get on with my job, for God's sake!). It's much more like a "job", almost like working in an office job, than "being an academic"

No, I don't have family here. After 2 years back, I still struggle to make friends. In the US, much of my social circle was generated from the cycling fraternity but even that doesn't work here.
I know exactly what you're saying, Dunroving. We just can't enjoy life here. Working to pay the bills and mortgage, then there's no money left to enjoy. I was really looking forward to taking holidays again but we can't afford them. Sometimes, I think things may be different if we hang around for a couple more years but I don't think I want to wait. I'm working so much that I'm missing my kids grow up, time I won't get back. Then the weather!! I used to disagree with people in the US who thought it rained all the time here, now I realize how wrong I was. It's just miserable!

I can also believe what you say about your students. I work with a lot of students and I think they have a real lack of respect.

While I don't absolutely hate it here, life is just too short not to make the most of it and enjoy it the best we can.
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Originally Posted by Marmalade
Dunroving is in Scotland, not England

Dunroving,
Sorry to hear that you are still unhappy where you are. I hope you can get something sorted out soon re your move back to the US..
Thought he was living in Wales.I imagine that does make a difference but still I think England would be on my radar before making that hugh move back over to the States.Scotish citizens I believe are still British citizens(correct me if I'm wrong) so moving to mainland UK is still a easier shift than leaving the continent.

I'm in shouting distance of the big 50(three more years),and retirement concerns have to be factored into the equation.Would Dunroving like North Carolina as much once he has reached the age of retirement,would he even feel emotionally secure moving back to the UK at the age of 65 if NC no longer appealed to him because lost of the job? Not a easy thing to do once you've gotten older.

Most of his social relationships in Carolina are directly connected to his place of work.Will his social options be severely limited because of retirement from the University? Lots of long term considerations to factor in.

I like North Carolina grew up there truely is God's country.My parents are buried there still have relatives there and when I go back to visit it is always an emotional journey.Plus you get so much for your money when buying a home.But I always have to remind my self am I excited about NC because of the history that I share with the place or because of how it would feel to live there now.Maybe that is what Dunroving should ask him self.
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Working to pay the bills and mortgage, then there's no money left to enjoy. I was really looking forward to taking holidays again but we can't afford them.
but that's exactly what i hear peeps say about living here mind you they don't take holidays as such here so no need to worry about expenditure for that.
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Re Dunroving's post, I don't know how old he is but if he's in my age group of 40's and over, I think we all have a tendancy to worry about how much time we've got left to find fulfillment and enjoy our lives.
When this is missing, it is so hard to get that feeling of connectedness and the sense of being 'at home' anywhere. Thus we can, if we're not careful, forget to enjoy the moment because we're too busy longing for what we had once in the past. Often when we go back to 'the past', we find it's not there anymore, hence the cycle of longing begins all over again as we look for 'what used to be'. We can waste an awful lot of time this way.

I knew I was in danger of doing this and I'd known people who had ping ponged back and forth but no matter where they were, they couldn't find that elusive sense of feeling 'comfortable'. They wanted what they thought they wanted but when they got it, it wasn't what they wanted after all. I didn't want to go through this emotional turmoil.

I took a step back, looked around at where i was in my life, took off my rose tints and focused on what i needed to make me happy, not whereI needed to be to make me happy. This comes later.
My conclusion was that if I could fill my life with all the things that made me feel content and fulfilled, such as my garden, career, home, (I'm a home and fashion designer), I could then remove that sense of disconnectedness, get some reality and clarity, and decide from a position of clear thinking and commonsense, where I wanted to live safe in the knowledge that I would be making an informed choice, not looking for an escape route from my own unhappiness.
But I had to grow into a happy and fulfilled state first. This is where I am at now and it's a good feeling. I've not been back to England in 5 years, we are supposed to be going for a holiday in January 2009.
I'm under no illusion, that it will be me that's changed, not England and that once there, I might struggle to try and fit back into an old comfort bubble.
Plus the timing of going to England has to be considered. The situation there is difficult. With no money in the Government's coffers to ride out tough times ahead and a burgeoning welfare state that just keeps on growing, the time has to be right for a move back to the UK. I'm not sure when that will be. At my age, finances and long term security need to be considered because I don't have the working years left to make up the shortfall. You can say money doesn't matter but actually it does. For me anyway.
Australia has deep reserves and doesn't need to borrow at present. This means that even though times might get tough here too, there shouldn't be the same cutbacks on things like healthcare and education.

Making the best of the situation you're in, realising what makes you happy then finding ways to make this happen, and enjoying the moment are my priority today. Although, my heart tells me that I think I would prefer to be back in England, my brain tells me to make the most of what I've got here and now until time is right to change.
What I'm saying is that if you're unhappy and this is causing you to blame your situation and environment but you can't change this, your only option is to find ways of creating fulfillment in your current situation until you can make the change.
Hope this helps.
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I know exactly what you're saying, Dunroving. We just can't enjoy life here. Working to pay the bills and mortgage, then there's no money left to enjoy. I was really looking forward to taking holidays again but we can't afford them. Sometimes, I think things may be different if we hang around for a couple more years but I don't think I want to wait. I'm working so much that I'm missing my kids grow up, time I won't get back. Then the weather!! I used to disagree with people in the US who thought it rained all the time here, now I realize how wrong I was. It's just miserable!

I can also believe what you say about your students. I work with a lot of students and I think they have a real lack of respect.

While I don't absolutely hate it here, life is just too short not to make the most of it and enjoy it the best we can.
Come-on!! Is America really that better in terms of quality of life? Where in the UK do you live? As far as the weather is concern it rains all the time here in Orlando.Enfact surveys show that it rains more here in florida than it does in seattle washington. Of course the sun comes out two minutes later but just the same it still rain all the time here.
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Come-on!! Is America really that better in terms of quality of life? Where in the UK do you live? As far as the weather is concern it rains all the time here in Orlando.Enfact surveys show that it rains more here in florida than it does in seattle washington. Of course the sun comes out two minutes later but just the same it still rain all the time here.
For us, yes. Not hugely, but enough to consider going back. We didn't have a huge house but a very comfortable one. I don't need material things but we didn't have to worry about money like we do here and I didn't have to work so much. We were able to spend much more time together as a family because we weren't at work all the time. That's probably my main reason for going back. I believe that it does rain more in Florida as it comes down a lot harder but it's generally the greyness and lack of sunshine here. We're in Lancashire by the way. I know there are better areas but we could never afford to live in any of them.
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For us, yes. Not hugely, but enough to consider going back. We didn't have a huge house but a very comfortable one. I don't need material things but we didn't have to worry about money like we do here and I didn't have to work so much. We were able to spend much more time together as a family because we weren't at work all the time. That's probably my main reason for going back. I believe that it does rain more in Florida as it comes down a lot harder but it's generally the greyness and lack of sunshine here. We're in Lancashire by the way. I know there are better areas but we could never afford to live in any of them.
Money is always a pain whether we have some or not enough. I can understand your reasoning it never is a easy choice to pick up and leave a place.Get the impression if there was a bit more income you would decide to stay in the UK. What ever you decide really hope the best for you

P.S. I'm not a fan of cold weather that will be a factor in any place I move to.
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For us, yes. Not hugely, but enough to consider going back. We didn't have a huge house but a very comfortable one. I don't need material things but we didn't have to worry about money like we do here and I didn't have to work so much. We were able to spend much more time together as a family because we weren't at work all the time. That's probably my main reason for going back. I believe that it does rain more in Florida as it comes down a lot harder but it's generally the greyness and lack of sunshine here. We're in Lancashire by the way. I know there are better areas but we could never afford to live in any of them.
Did you move back to what you left and did you leave in the first place to get away from what you left behind?
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[QUOTE=dunroving;6992043]In short "everything is wrong" (almost), so it's not just the money side of things. In fact, my salary isn't bad at all, and I'd find it difficult to match a uni lecturer's salary by changing jobs or career (besides, I only completed my PhD 12 years ago and in my mind, this was the career for the rest of my life).

It's not just the month-to-month financial challenges (though even on an academic's salary, it's surprising how little is left at the end of the month) but the financial millstone that is a 25-year mortgage hanging around my neck (I'd easily be mortgage-free by now if I'd stayed in the US), with only 14 years to retirement.

So the list goes something like this, in order of "dawning realisation" after landing here in July 2006: Wow, I didn't realise houses would be so expensive (Wales, compared to NC, USA), hmmm, it's not much fun being stuck somewhere where I don't know anyone and it's hard to get to know anyone, oh crap, this weather is so bad I hardly ever get out on the bike any more, getting the dog taken care of during the day is a logistical nightmare, boy I miss being able to walk to work, oh shit houses in Scotland are even more expensive - and rising, so I'd better get on the ladder quick, this weather absolutely sucks, what the bejesus is happening to house prices now - I'll be in negative equity before I know it.




I could write the same about australia, we gave up an (albeit) small house in scotland, across from a lovely country park, i could walk to work an walk to the shops, the bus was regular as clockwork to glasgow (20 mins). I loved my colleagues at work and the banter (one of the things i truly miss the most). 14 years till the mortgage would be paid off, and i would easily be able to retire.
I am stuck here with no money left, cant buy a house , no way could we afford the mortgage repayments, i'll never be able to retire, i will have to work till am a hundred. Am not getting any younger and probably when it would be feasible to return , OH and i wont get jobs coz we will be too old.
Biggest bloody mistake of my life coming here, i had an easy , plesant life in scotland, now..................geeeze. It defo must be our age dunroving, its ok when time is on your side.

I find it hard to imagine how your not managing financially, i worked part-time as a nurse and hubby had a crap wage as a printer, and with 2 kids, but we managed ok. Although at the time i thought we were not financially well off, we couldnt afford hols abroad or anything, but i was minted compared to now,

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Making the best of the situation you're in, realising what makes you happy then finding ways to make this happen, and enjoying the moment are my priority today. Although, my heart tells me that I think I would prefer to be back in England, my brain tells me to make the most of what I've got here and now until time is right to change.
What I'm saying is that if you're unhappy and this is causing you to blame your situation and environment but you can't change this, your only option is to find ways of creating fulfillment in your current situation until you can make the change.
Hope this helps. [/QUOTE]




am trying,,,,,,,,,, honest
No way do i blame the where i am, i totally 100% blame myself for being an absolute eejit!!
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Making the best of the situation you're in, realising what makes you happy then finding ways to make this happen, and enjoying the moment are my priority today. Although, my heart tells me that I think I would prefer to be back in England, my brain tells me to make the most of what I've got here and now until time is right to change.
What I'm saying is that if you're unhappy and this is causing you to blame your situation and environment but you can't change this, your only option is to find ways of creating fulfillment in your current situation until you can make the change.
Hope this helps.



am trying,,,,,,,,,, honest
No way do i blame the where i am, i totally 100% blame myself for being an absolute eejit!![/QUOTE]

Margaret

Don't blame your self for taking a chance in life.Things could have easily work to your advantage.There are people who bought homes at the beginning of the housing boom and got out just before the bust.Are they suppose to be brilliant or simply the benefactors of luck? I always say if you are alive and healthy you still have a chance to accomplish your dreams.You can decide your future!!
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