Bud the Wiser

Well, this one suprised me. Not so much the content, but the fact that it came from Jeff Randall. The majority of his previous articles have been very much on the negative side. Very swift, if somewhat confusing, change of direction.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/c...l#dsq-comments

chris955

From what I am witnessing actually out in the real world it is pretty easy to agree with what he is saying. I am not witnessing the widespread doom and gloom the Daily Mail would have us believe is gripping the country. Some will want to believe the opposite is in fact true and that is of course their right but just dont expect me to get dragged down with them.

Bud the Wiser

Good or not so good news ???? Gotta be good surely.

Better than blody windmills.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...tish-jobs.html

chris955

Very good news indeed. Alongside solar and wind power.

Bud the Wiser

Well this is good news for me. Probably not for those who think wind power is good. I suspect those who do favour wind power are NIMBY's. I just can't see the benefits of those monstrosities on land or at sea. Blight on the landscape for minimal return. AND they are subsidised.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/ene...-minister.html

Ooooooopppps. Spoke too soon.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/ene...rm-sprawl.html

Move to....... Not so good news Britain.

chris955

It is only not good news if you dont like them.

TheArmChairDetective

Karma given for your insight.

chris955

It is just too funny.

Pistolpete2

ArmChair - this wind farm and artificial stoking (bad word - I think) of a green agenda is subject to conjecture.

At this time there are those who say there is precious point building wind turbines when the amount of energy spent in actually building one bears no resemblance to the energy it puts out, and then there's the cost. PLUS, Denmark seems to have a lock on their building so there are not enough home production benefits. PLUS, the subsidy is going to people like the Duke Of Westminster - Britain's RICHEST person. PLUS, the whole thing doesn't make economic sense without the subsidy.

HOWEVER

There are also those who see it as imperative that the UK weens itself off oil which is a dirty diminishing resource, so it has to be done.

plus,

On the face of it the energy supply is GREEN

and in the overall scheme of things, the blots on the landscape are insignificant - particularly for those farmers and landowners who see lovely new potential in their previously near worthless or at least seriously devalued non-residential development arable land.

SO, the building of wind farms far and wide particularly ONSHORE in the UK is not a consensus exercise and is controversial.

I kind of chuckle when I say that Scotland is trying to come up with 100% of its energy needs being met from renewables in 2020 - while flogging (I can think of a better word) ITS?? oil to outside parties.

TheArmChairDetective

Pete,
I agree with your words but the first paragraph draws my attention.
If those that can always defer decisions on alternative energy sources based merely on who will walk away with a profit...or not..then all we do is (and I state the obvious) shoot ourselves in the foot dilly dallying. Someone has to draw a line somewhere.
As for Onshore wind turbines well they always seem to be more contentious amongst those that don't live anywhere near their locations then those that do.
It remains an interesting subject.

dunroving

You mean the other way around, surely? There are loads in Scotland, especially where I live, and people who live next door to them definitely seem to be more agitated by the topic than those for whom it isn't a problem (because they don't have to live next to them).

Pistolpete2

It's not a sour grapes issue. The amount of subsidy that the UK is prepared to spend should be capped. It makes no sense giving the subsidy to the likes of The Duke of Westminster so that he, as an extremely wealthy individual, can then shelter his income and assets from tax as this creates even higher associated cost. He can't find some "better" way to develop his land, one has to ask?? Try to allocate the subsidy to those who are more constricted by economic circumstance and who therefore NEED to find an alternative use for their land and wind-farming offers it.

TheArmChairDetective

I fully understand that it is an emotive subject in Scotland, a quick search of Google
(yes I know I will be lambasted for using it as one research tool amongst many) shows this "Scottish Native" making his complaint.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-17154249

I still think we (in TRW that is) need to find something but spend more time being negative and some I'm sure believe Oil will last forever.

I wasn't suggesting otherwise, my apologies if you thought I was.
I understand that some people are making a pretty penny on grants as can be read here
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/po...ions-subsidies
However I am not sure we can accuse the DoW of Tax evasion. Can we!?

Pistolpete2

Third place and still a cigar!

The UK came in third in an expat survey in Forbes Magazine, of the friendliest places to live, after Cayman and Australia sorry.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/bethgree...t-countries-3/

"The Cayman Islands scored well in all those categories, putting it first on our list of the Friendliest Countries. Seventy-five percent of expat respondents living there reported that they were integrating well in the local community; in Australia it was 72% and in the U.K. 73%."

Pistolpete2

The word is avoidance pleeeeease! And the answer is YES! with the double-whammy of subsidy.