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To describe the SNP programme as "socialist" is a misuse of political terminology
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Old Aug 1st 2019, 7:37 pm
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It is worth looking at attitudes to Norway in the ruling circles of Sweden at the turn of the last century before the Norwegian vote on Indpendence. Or considering how Denmark looked at Iceland's move to Independence.

Maybe I should remember that your average Anglo could not locate these countries on a map, never mind discuss their History !
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I suspect the Darian scheme is a more pertinent lesson from history.
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"Darien" is the conventional spelling. I doubt if anyone in the current Scottish Government plans a colony in Central America.

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Quite correct on the spelling (I shall blame my spellcheck) but I wasn’t suggesting a new Scottish imperial project so much as pointing out that the last time the avarice of the Scottish political elite led them to bet their shirts (and the rest of the country) on a single precarious get-rich-quick scheme it bankrupted Scotland to such an extent that it was forced into a political union with England as a result. It would therefore be rather ironic if they put on a repeat performance whilst attempting to extricate themselves from said union.
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I think your interpretation of early 18th century history may have been what we learned in school but there are other ways of looking at history and how the Union came about. In any case it is time to say goodbye to the UK. Let us see what The Court of Session has to say on the current case.
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I wasn’t taught anything about it in school but there are many books on the subject. I picked up John McKendrick’s excellent ‘Darien: A Journey in Search of Empire’ from the Scottish Parliament gift shop the last time I was in Edinburgh.

Throwing legal tantrums hasn’t worked for the Remain cause thus far. It won’t again. And once the UK is out, the case for Scottish independence is effectively dead and the SNP knows it.
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Quire the reverse. Trying to drag us out under the supervision of a Mad Old Etonian will not work. Johnson should learn from the fate oif his great-grandfather, the last minister of the Interior of The Ottoman Empire. If you do not know that story, google it.

BritinParis may be knowledable on the subject of Visas and All That Jazz. i suspect he is not privy to what is going on inside the SNP.
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And once the UK is out, the case for Scottish independence is effectively dead and the SNP knows it.
There was never a financial case for independence - that's largely why I voted No, and why I continue to stand by that decision as being the correct one at the time.

However the current UK Government is slowly pushing me towards the ejector seat and if there was another independence referendum tomorrow, I'm more likely than not to vote Yes regardless of the financial consequences.

My feelings are nothing to do with Brexit as such, but everything to do with the actions and attitudes of the Government.
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There was never a financial case for independence - that's largely why I voted No, and why I continue to stand by that decision as being the correct one at the time.

However the current UK Government is slowly pushing me towards the ejector seat and if there was another independence referendum tomorrow, I'm more likely than not to vote Yes regardless of the financial consequences.

My feelings are nothing to do with Brexit as such, but everything to do with the actions and attitudes of the Government.
That is one of the main arguments for voting to leave.
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That is one of the main arguments for voting to leave.
Perhaps.

It wouldn't be the first time that I've considered Independence and Brexit to be two cheeks of the same arsehole.
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Perhaps.

It wouldn't be the first time that I've considered Independence and Brexit to be two cheeks of the same arsehole.
A very succinct turn of phrase, made me laugh
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Quire the reverse. Trying to drag us out under the supervision of a Mad Old Etonian will not work. Johnson should learn from the fate oif his great-grandfather, the last minister of the Interior of The Ottoman Empire. If you do not know that story, google it.

BritinParis may be knowledable on the subject of Visas and All That Jazz. i suspect he is not privy to what is going on inside the SNP.
I never claimed that I did but I think I can safely say that the SNP will not be sending a lynching party to 10 Downing Street.
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There was never a financial case for independence - that's largely why I voted No, and why I continue to stand by that decision as being the correct one at the time.

However the current UK Government is slowly pushing me towards the ejector seat and if there was another independence referendum tomorrow, I'm more likely than not to vote Yes regardless of the financial consequences.

My feelings are nothing to do with Brexit as such, but everything to do with the actions and attitudes of the Government.
You are quite correct. My point was that if there was no economic case to be made for independence in 2014 then there certainly isn't one now.

The SNP's hope that Scotland would somehow automatically retain EU membership in the event of independence, which was always questionable, will disappear altogether. Departing the UK before rejoining the EU - assuming the application isn't simply vetoed by Spain - will mean giving up the teat of the Barnett Formula before being able to latch onto that of Brussels. Brent crude was $100 a barrel in 2014, it is now less than $60 and North Sea tax revenues have dropped 90%. Scotland will simply be bankrupted overnight.

Joining as an independent country will also mean forgoing all of the UK's existing opt-outs so Scotland will need to adopt the Euro and participate in the Schengen Area so a mandatory hard border, including passport control, will be required.

I have a huge amount of sympathy for any people seeking their independence but if the Scots didn't go for it in 2014 then I really can't see them going for it any time soon, particularly after Brexit.
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