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Old Jul 6th 2005, 3:53 am
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Default Re: Where is the best place to live???

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Hi,

We are a young family and have come unstuck as to where to live/buy a house then enjoy life with our kids. We started off by looking to move to france, then as we dont speak the language thought we would struggle, We then and are still looking at canada, but heard its difficult to get in.

HELP!! Where is the best place for us to buy a cheap property and bring up our children, low crime, preferably English speaking and easy to get into, immigration.

We have considered loads of places, but our language is only English.

Please can someone help us, as we are getting very puzzled and just wish to finish working and spend the time with our children and enjoy life. Possibly we would work part time, but we should have about ?50k to live on for a while after buying a house with some land.

Thanks to all who reply...

Australia is definitely THE place to be.
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Old Jul 21st 2005, 12:20 am
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Hi....... I am an escaped ME forumer...... I mean you no harm and I swear, I come in peace.

Have u ever considered Dubai? Pop into the ME section and have a look. We may just convince you to move out here.

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Hi there

I have recently moved to Dubai with my husband and it is a fantastic place. The life-style here is fabulous and getting residency here is pretty easy (however you will need residency to rent a villa/apartment, open a bank account etc.). Most employers will sort out your residency and it's a very painless procedure.

There is a large expat population here and practically everywhere is English speaking. It is a very save place and the weather is great!!

As Face suggested, check out the ME section as Dubai is where most of us are based so will be able to answer any queries you may have.

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Old Jul 21st 2005, 3:47 pm
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Originally Posted by sogertiser
Hi,

We are a young family and have come unstuck as to where to live/buy a house then enjoy life with our kids. We started off by looking to move to france, then as we dont speak the language thought we would struggle, We then and are still looking at canada, but heard its difficult to get in.

HELP!! Where is the best place for us to buy a cheap property and bring up our children, low crime, preferably English speaking and easy to get into, immigration.

We have considered loads of places, but our language is only English.

Please can someone help us, as we are getting very puzzled and just wish to finish working and spend the time with our children and enjoy life. Possibly we would work part time, but we should have about ?50k to live on for a while after buying a house with some land.

Thanks to all who reply...
Why have'nt you considered Australia, don't you thnk you would be able to get in. Nice climate, great beaches and scenery, strong economy, low unemployment.
 
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If you're looking for cheap land, a safe environment for children, an active healthy lifestyle, low cost living and a fantastic climate, consider Argentina. I know of a British family who recently moved out to Mendoza, Argentina's spectacular wind producing region. Vineyards in this part of the world can be picked up for as little as 30K USD. If you would like contact details, just let me know. I'm heading out there to check it out for myself next month!

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If you're looking for cheap land, a safe environment for children, an active healthy lifestyle, low cost living and a fantastic climate, consider Argentina. I know of a British family who recently moved out to Mendoza, Argentina's spectacular wind producing region. Vineyards in this part of the world can be picked up for as little as 30K USD. If you would like contact details, just let me know. I'm heading out there to check it out for myself next month!

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Hi Tracey,

Sounds interesting. What was the verdict from your trip? And do you have any further info?

Thanks - Carmen.
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I would definitely second "Argentina" as an option. Other than the language requirement, the city is fantastic if you're single, raising a family, or looking for business opportunities (or a combo). Honestly, spanish isn't that hard to learn, and you can pay $5 U.S./hour for lessons.

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Old Feb 22nd 2007, 8:55 am
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Hi all could we keep this thread going as it is giving me some seriously good ideas. I too would consider going anywhere safe in the world as we have been toying with the idea of emigrating for quite a few years now but the state of the uk at the moment has really pushed us to the limit. We would not be able to move for about 18months as my partner is on the last part of her teacher training. Wherever you have been I would love to know. All the very best to you all thanks in advance. Paul.
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Hi all could we keep this thread going as it is giving me some seriously good ideas. I too would consider going anywhere safe in the world as we have been toying with the idea of emigrating for quite a few years now but the state of the uk at the moment has really pushed us to the limit. We would not be able to move for about 18months as my partner is on the last part of her teacher training. Wherever you have been I would love to know. All the very best to you all thanks in advance. Paul.
I have looked at Brazil, Chile or Argentina and Chile is particularly promising. I have spoken to several Britons who live there and they have praised it very highly. Chile has the least crime or corruption of any country in Latin America and has the fastest growing economy in the Western Hemisphere. Property is realistic even for those on a limited budget…..a quality 3–4 Bedroom house costing upwards of US$50000 with the cost of living being substantially lower than the UK, although cars and electronic are generally pricier and there is less choice than the UK…..but frankly how often does one purchase a TV or car?

The biggest problem with living in any non English speaking country is not the language or obtaining visas but finding work and coping with local salaries. When I married my Brazilian wife I seriously considered moving over there but spoke to numerous foreigners who were struggling and were on the reluctant route home. I work in the IT Industry but do not have a specialist degree and neither do I work for a high powered corporate who could transfer me. The other problem is my age, nearly 42 so nobody would bother employing someone like me now. I realized that my only chance would be to come up with my own business idea.

For several years I have had an idea that was transferable to an Internet platform although I did not have the skills alone to develop the technical aspects of it. So I discussed the idea with our E-Commerce Director and a senior programmer who both thought it was excellent and together we formed a company in the UK. We have managed to develop it in our spare time without incurring any costs and in July 2007 we will hopefully be going live. We already have several clients signed up who are really excited by the concept so I am very optimistic that it will work.

My objective is realistic…..I want to duplicate my modest UK salary and move to an attractive country with a lower cost of living. I lived in South Africa for 20 years so I am familiar with the challenges of living abroad. This is not “The Grass is Greener” idealism. I am not naïve enough to believe there is a Utopia out there but frankly I sympathize with anybody who wants to leave Britain right now. Apart from the common complaints....cost of living, congestion, tax there are now strategic, political and social aspects that have become a concern.
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My objective is realistic…..I want to duplicate my modest UK salary and move to an attractive country with a lower cost of living. I lived in South Africa for 20 years so I am familiar with the challenges of living abroad. This is not “The Grass is Greener” idealism. I am not naïve enough to believe there is a Utopia out there but frankly I sympathize with anybody who wants to leave Britain right now. Apart from the common complaints....cost of living, congestion, tax there are now strategic, political and social aspects that have become a concern.
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Just last night I glanced out the living room window and noticed a gang of youths urinating in my garden. As I opened the front door, they didn't even blink an eye and just carried on. They ran once I moved towards them and then gave me a barage of abuse. A few ran away and 5 or 6 stayed. After 2 or 3 minutes of abuse they started throwing pieces of wood which one hit me on the head and saying that they were goin to do my house as in destroy my house. These youths are anything from 14 - 17. This is the second occasion where I have actually confronted them and found myself having to back down and almost beg them not to smash my car or house. Even one of my neighbours called the police but they never came. These youths terrorise this area and get away with it. I was born in this town Cleethorpes North East Lincolnshire it used to be 20 years ago a lovely place to live a place to be proud of. What has happened? I am having to move to a new house after only living here a year having totally renovated this house. Driving round the town today and looking at a lot of the people and houses the whole town has turned to shit. This has just strengthened our decision to move away once and for all. Even when the kids are late from school we are on the front looking. I am just so disheartened and disgusted with what is happening to this country. What do you think? Paul.
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Things are about to go tits up over here.

Common arguments are the cost of living, housing, tax, congestion, anti social youth and immigration…..although important these issues are trivia compared to the bigger picture. Energy is the engine of any country and Britain has squandered its North Sea Oil and Gas and is now at the mercy of countries such as Russia and the Middle East. One just has to look at what happened in Belarus recently to know what will be coming this way shortly.

If the West does something that Russia or the Middle East doesn’t approve of they will turn the tap off and we could end up with a situation that would resemble something far worse than the great depression. Just remember what happened to the UK when the petrol strikes took place in 2001. There is an old saying…..a country is only 3 meals away from anarchy.

Successive British Governments have allowed unsustainable immigration levels they have destroyed our ability to farm, so we no longer have the ability to feed ourselves in the event of an emergency. All these Labour idiots are obsessed with is the Global Economy and consequently have sold off the family silver in the form of gold reserves and industry. They forget that it was only 60 years ago when this country was under siege.

The alarm bells are ringing, terrorism and gang warfare are about to go ballistic across the world and the only way to stop the anarchy will be to clamp down with some type of Police State one thing this country is already very close to. I have several Russian friends who are all leaving saying that Britain with its surveillance and increasingly authoritarian laws is beginning to resemble the old Soviet.

50 years ago there were a handful of murders a year in this country making national headlines. Now we have Gangs and Drive by Shootings something that only happened in America 20 years ago. I predict that within 10 years parts of urban Britain will become ungovernable like the slums in Rio or Johannesburg. When we reach a situation where energy and food are severely rationed these social problems will explode onto the streets resembling Haiti, Sierra Leone. Enoch Powell was right the streets will run with blood.
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I predict that within 10 years parts of urban Britain will become ungovernable like the slums in Rio or Johannesburg. When we reach a situation where energy and food are severely rationed these social problems will explode onto the streets resembling Haiti, Sierra Leone. Enoch Powell was right the streets will run with blood

I totally agree with you

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I have looked at Brazil, Chile or Argentina and Chile is particularly promising. I have spoken to several Britons who live there and they have praised it very highly. Chile has the least crime or corruption of any country in Latin America and has the fastest growing economy in the Western Hemisphere. Property is realistic even for those on a limited budget…..a quality 3–4 Bedroom house costing upwards of US$50000 with the cost of living being substantially lower than the UK, although cars and electronic are generally pricier and there is less choice than the UK…..but frankly how often does one purchase a TV or car?

The biggest problem with living in any non English speaking country is not the language or obtaining visas but finding work and coping with local salaries. When I married my Brazilian wife I seriously considered moving over there but spoke to numerous foreigners who were struggling and were on the reluctant route home. I work in the IT Industry but do not have a specialist degree and neither do I work for a high powered corporate who could transfer me. The other problem is my age, nearly 42 so nobody would bother employing someone like me now. I realized that my only chance would be to come up with my own business idea.

For several years I have had an idea that was transferable to an Internet platform although I did not have the skills alone to develop the technical aspects of it. So I discussed the idea with our E-Commerce Director and a senior programmer who both thought it was excellent and together we formed a company in the UK. We have managed to develop it in our spare time without incurring any costs and in July 2007 we will hopefully be going live. We already have several clients signed up who are really excited by the concept so I am very optimistic that it will work.

My objective is realistic…..I want to duplicate my modest UK salary and move to an attractive country with a lower cost of living. I lived in South Africa for 20 years so I am familiar with the challenges of living abroad. This is not “The Grass is Greener” idealism. I am not naïve enough to believe there is a Utopia out there but frankly I sympathize with anybody who wants to leave Britain right now. Apart from the common complaints....cost of living, congestion, tax there are now strategic, political and social aspects that have become a concern.
Chile is an excellent bet. I lived in Buenos Aires, Argentina for 3 years and was involved with helping foreigners buy property. Why did we get so much business? Because Argentina is an incredibly corrupt country and foreigners are seen as fair game for all kinds of scams. The winds are changing and the economy and property market (despite what you read in most broadsheet property and business sections at the moment) haven't got much left in them. The country is now over half way through its traditional 10 year boom/bust cycle and there's nothing to suggest that anything will be different this time. Ask any argentine who has nothing to gain from you what he thinks is going on and he'll tell you the exact same thing. In 2012 the country will be back on its economic knees and for the cold hearted businessman, that'll be the time to head to argentina. Now is not the time, other than for tourism. Now is the time to sell up and move out.

The problem is, Argentina is such a beautiful and enchanting country and the people, on the surface, so friendly and energetic. it's catching and many, if not most, expats fail or simply refuse to see the negatives. It happened to me. Until i started doing regular business, i thought argentina could do no wrong. Once i started to immerse myself in the business world i started to really understand what the country was about. Under the shiny surface is an economy and a country based on lies, mistruths, corruption, populism and outright nationalism.

So, after this lengthy introduction to Argentina... let me suggest Chile. Low corruption, very safe (so long as you stay out of the same kind of areas you'd stay out of in the UK), easy to do business, honest and generally friendly people, cheap property, very easy access to mountains, skiiing, the pacific coast (within 3 hours of each other), excellent infrastructure, an economy not built on quick sand a la argentina and there are also excellent bi-lingual british or american schools (we brits had a huge influence on chile's economic growth in the 19th century and left a legacy of victorian mansions and british schools). added to this the fact that being british is without doubt a major plus in snobby chile (in argentina being british isn't an issue at all but it doesn't really give you too many advantages). Chileans love the british, especially the (chilean) middle and upper classes and it really is advantageous to mention where you're from (otherwise they'll assume your american, god forbid!)

Chile is also pretty easy to get residency in. The rules are clear and easy to follow (it still helps to pay someone to help you out though). Argentina is hard. Really hard. Unless you do something slightly illegal, in which case it becomes easier.

Also, most imported goods are around the same price or cheaper than the UK as chile has a 0-2% import tax. Argentina has over 50% import duty, making tvs, cars etc more expensive than pretty much anywhere else in the world.

Personally i really don't like santiago very much. smoggy and too much like a car obsessed US city for my liking. If you like the countryside, the Lakes District down south is stunning (around Villarica, Pucon and across to Valdivia), if you like the sea and want to be near santiago but not actually live there then Valparaiso (and Vina del Mar just next door) is a beautiful one of a kind city (and where i now live) which has a couple of chile's most famous british schools. It's a 2 hour drive from Santiago along a perfectly maintained toll-motorway. There are a few other small cities that are not worth too much of a mention (Concepcion, Antofagasta, Puerto Montt for example).

As a final note to this already long and tedious message, please don't let me put any of you off visiting Argentina on holiday. As a tourist destination, it really is one of the best in the world, offering everything you could imagine for, currently but not for much longer, very little cash. Buenos Aires is one of the world's great cities.

Argentina for holidays, Chile for living!
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Not a tedious message at all, in fact very enlightening and confirms what most people have said about both Chile and Argentina. I have a friend who was a diplomat in Chile for 3 years and then went to Brazil. He was most impressed by Chile and reckons it was the best posting he ever had followed by a close second with Brazil.

He also said the same about Argentina.....beautiful country, friendly people but fragile economically and inherently corrupt.

I spoke to another poster on here who lives in Chile and he stated much the same and reckons it is an undiscovered European paradise. Good infrastructure, cheap property, low cost of living, stunning scenery and importantly far less corruption than any country in South America.
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I wouldn't go as far as calling chile an 'undiscovered european paradise' but it is a pretty decent place to live for the reasons mentioned in previous posts. Cost of living is pretty high compared to other south american countries but i guess you get what you pay for. the lack of corruption and decently functioning privatised services (internet, phone, electricity etc) are a welcome change after argentina.

Personally, after almost 3 years in buenos aires, i really appreciate the what you see is what you get version of life here in chile. in argentina, every single thing is a struggle to some extent with everyone trying to get one up on everyone else. there's almost always an agenda in argentina and although it's not too noticeable at first and not really a big deal on holidays or short stays (a year or so), after a while it just becomes really tiring.

i love buenos aires, it's one of the most energetic and gorgeously crumbling cities anywhere and i'll be back over there regularly on holiday but it knackered me out, the daily mini-battles.

The thing that really grates for someone coming from a northern european country to any country in south america, be it argentina, chile, peru etc, is the fact that in northern europe we have a system based on trust. you don't need to legalise every single little document, you don't have to carry ID around all the time, if you shake someone's hand it can be construed as legally binding etc. over here, nothing is legal until it's been signed and stamped by a notary, you have to show your ID before signing anything, you have to carry your ID with you at all times, if you're driving and you don't have your ID you'll get hauled off to jail on the premise that you're stealing the car. It doesn't seem like much of an inconvenience (having to have your ID with you at all times) but it's annoying. Especially when you have to return home after you've forgotten it. For the 10th time.

Anyway, if anyone has any questions regarding moving to chile then feel free to contact me via this forum or private messages. I'm always happy to help in any way i can.
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