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Old Jun 4th 2005, 3:16 am
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Marc Raizman
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Gentlemen and ladies of the rec.travel.europe: I have to call the UK and am
somewhat confused by the city code that was given me, which was 020. I know
that the "2" means the phone in question is in the outer areas of London but
do I drop both "zeros" after the country code when dialing directly from the
US. My guess that this is the case but I ain't sure.
Thanks. M.
 
Old Jun 4th 2005, 3:45 am
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Edmund Lewis
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Marc Raizman wrote:
    > Gentlemen and ladies of the rec.travel.europe: I have to call the UK and am
    > somewhat confused by the city code that was given me, which was 020. I know
    > that the "2" means the phone in question is in the outer areas of London but
    > do I drop both "zeros" after the country code when dialing directly from the
    > US. My guess that this is the case but I ain't sure.
    > Thanks. M.

To call Britain from overseas:

0044 (area code minus first 0) number.

So you need to dial 0044 20.......

It looks like you're calling a London number, there are two codes 0207
for inner London, 0208 for outer. Either way, it's only the first 0
that you leave out. Most UK area codes begin 01, about 10 years ago
London and a couple of other cities changed to 02 because they'd run
out of 01 numbers.

Edmund
 
Old Jun 4th 2005, 3:50 am
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Nitram
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On 4 Jun 2005 08:45:28 -0700, "Edmund Lewis" <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >Marc Raizman wrote:
    >> Gentlemen and ladies of the rec.travel.europe: I have to call the UK and am
    >> somewhat confused by the city code that was given me, which was 020. I know
    >> that the "2" means the phone in question is in the outer areas of London but
    >> do I drop both "zeros" after the country code when dialing directly from the
    >> US. My guess that this is the case but I ain't sure.
    >> Thanks. M.
    >To call Britain from overseas:
    >0044 (area code minus first 0) number.

+44

00 is not the international code in every country

    >So you need to dial 0044 20.......

+44

    >It looks like you're calling a London number, there are two codes 0207
    >for inner London, 0208 for outer. Either way, it's only the first 0
    >that you leave out. Most UK area codes begin 01, about 10 years ago
    >London and a couple of other cities changed to 02 because they'd run
    >out of 01 numbers.
    >Edmund
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Old Jun 4th 2005, 3:58 am
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Edmund Lewis
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nitram wrote:
    > On 4 Jun 2005 08:45:28 -0700, "Edmund Lewis" <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > >Marc Raizman wrote:
    > >> Gentlemen and ladies of the rec.travel.europe: I have to call the UK and am
    > >> somewhat confused by the city code that was given me, which was 020. I know
    > >> that the "2" means the phone in question is in the outer areas of London but
    > >> do I drop both "zeros" after the country code when dialing directly from the
    > >> US. My guess that this is the case but I ain't sure.
    > >> Thanks. M.
    > >
    > >To call Britain from overseas:
    > >
    > >0044 (area code minus first 0) number.
    > +44
    > 00 is not the international code in every country

It's worked everywhere I've been :-)

Although this site seems to suggest it's 011 from the US (why do they
always have to be different ;-)

http://www.countrycallingcodes.com/

in which case do that instead. Either way, it's only the first 0 of the
area code that drops.


Edmund

Edmund

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Old Jun 4th 2005, 4:00 am
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Nitram
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On 4 Jun 2005 08:58:50 -0700, "Edmund Lewis" <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >nitram wrote:
    >> On 4 Jun 2005 08:45:28 -0700, "Edmund Lewis" <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >Marc Raizman wrote:
    >> >> Gentlemen and ladies of the rec.travel.europe: I have to call the UK and am
    >> >> somewhat confused by the city code that was given me, which was 020. I know
    >> >> that the "2" means the phone in question is in the outer areas of London but
    >> >> do I drop both "zeros" after the country code when dialing directly from the
    >> >> US. My guess that this is the case but I ain't sure.
    >> >> Thanks. M.
    >> >
    >> >To call Britain from overseas:
    >> >
    >> >0044 (area code minus first 0) number.
    >> +44
    >> 00 is not the international code in every country
    >It's worked everywhere I've been :-)

Try Australia
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Old Jun 4th 2005, 4:05 am
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jbk
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On 4 Jun 2005 08:58:50 -0700, "Edmund Lewis" <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >nitram wrote:
    >> On 4 Jun 2005 08:45:28 -0700, "Edmund Lewis" <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >Marc Raizman wrote:
    >> >> Gentlemen and ladies of the rec.travel.europe: I have to call the UK and am
    >> >> somewhat confused by the city code that was given me, which was 020. I know
    >> >> that the "2" means the phone in question is in the outer areas of London but
    >> >> do I drop both "zeros" after the country code when dialing directly from the
    >> >> US. My guess that this is the case but I ain't sure.
    >> >> Thanks. M.
    >> >
    >> >To call Britain from overseas:
    >> >
    >> >0044 (area code minus first 0) number.
    >> +44
    >> 00 is not the international code in every country
    >It's worked everywhere I've been :-)
    >Although this site seems to suggest it's 011 from the US (why do they
    >always have to be different ;-)

Yeah. Why should a different country do something differently?
Shame. Now explain why Europe uses PAL and SECAM while we use NTSC
which was first? Shouldn't the first rule?
 
Old Jun 4th 2005, 4:11 am
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Edmund Lewis
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Edmund Lewis wrote:
    > nitram wrote:
    > > On 4 Jun 2005 08:45:28 -0700, "Edmund Lewis" <[email protected]>
    > > wrote:
    > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >Marc Raizman wrote:
    > > >> Gentlemen and ladies of the rec.travel.europe: I have to call the UK and am
    > > >> somewhat confused by the city code that was given me, which was 020. I know
    > > >> that the "2" means the phone in question is in the outer areas of London but
    > > >> do I drop both "zeros" after the country code when dialing directly from the
    > > >> US. My guess that this is the case but I ain't sure.
    > > >> Thanks. M.
    > > >
    > > >To call Britain from overseas:
    > > >
    > > >0044 (area code minus first 0) number.
    > >
    > > +44
    > >
    > > 00 is not the international code in every country
    > It's worked everywhere I've been :-)
    > Although this site seems to suggest it's 011 from the US (why do they
    > always have to be different ;-)

Experimenting further with that site, it seems much of N America does
the 011 thing, even Bermuda and the British Virgin Islands which
surprises me. Most places I've tried in Africa, Asia and S America do
0044, as does New Zealand (that's the faraway place I've been that does
it, which led me to think the US might).
Australia- 001144 (eh?) Canada- also 01144 so it isn't a Commonwealth
thing either.

Edmund
 
Old Jun 4th 2005, 4:13 am
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Trallala
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and for Italy,
you MUST LEAVE the 0 after the country code

"nitram" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
    > On 4 Jun 2005 08:45:28 -0700, "Edmund Lewis" <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >>Marc Raizman wrote:
    >>> Gentlemen and ladies of the rec.travel.europe: I have to call the UK
    >>> and am
    >>> somewhat confused by the city code that was given me, which was 020. I
    >>> know
    >>> that the "2" means the phone in question is in the outer areas of London
    >>> but
    >>> do I drop both "zeros" after the country code when dialing directly from
    >>> the
    >>> US. My guess that this is the case but I ain't sure.
    >>> Thanks. M.
    >>To call Britain from overseas:
    >>0044 (area code minus first 0) number.
    > +44
    > 00 is not the international code in every country
    >>So you need to dial 0044 20.......
    > +44
    >>It looks like you're calling a London number, there are two codes 0207
    >>for inner London, 0208 for outer. Either way, it's only the first 0
    >>that you leave out. Most UK area codes begin 01, about 10 years ago
    >>London and a couple of other cities changed to 02 because they'd run
    >>out of 01 numbers.
    >>Edmund
    > --
    > Martin
    >
 
Old Jun 4th 2005, 4:15 am
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On 4 Jun 2005 09:11:04 -0700, "Edmund Lewis" <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >Edmund Lewis wrote:
    >> nitram wrote:
    >> > On 4 Jun 2005 08:45:28 -0700, "Edmund Lewis" <[email protected]>
    >> > wrote:
    >> >
    >> > >
    >> > >
    >> > >Marc Raizman wrote:
    >> > >> Gentlemen and ladies of the rec.travel.europe: I have to call the UK and am
    >> > >> somewhat confused by the city code that was given me, which was 020. I know
    >> > >> that the "2" means the phone in question is in the outer areas of London but
    >> > >> do I drop both "zeros" after the country code when dialing directly from the
    >> > >> US. My guess that this is the case but I ain't sure.
    >> > >> Thanks. M.
    >> > >
    >> > >To call Britain from overseas:
    >> > >
    >> > >0044 (area code minus first 0) number.
    >> >
    >> > +44
    >> >
    >> > 00 is not the international code in every country
    >> It's worked everywhere I've been :-)
    >> Although this site seems to suggest it's 011 from the US (why do they
    >> always have to be different ;-)
    >Experimenting further with that site, it seems much of N America does
    >the 011 thing, even Bermuda and the British Virgin Islands which
    >surprises me. Most places I've tried in Africa, Asia and S America do
    >0044, as does New Zealand (that's the faraway place I've been that does
    >it, which led me to think the US might).
    >Australia- 001144 (eh?) Canada- also 01144 so it isn't a Commonwealth
    >thing either.

It's why the smart thing is to do is to use the + especially for
numbers in an address book of a mobile phone.
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Old Jun 4th 2005, 4:27 am
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Marc Raizman writes:

    > Gentlemen and ladies of the rec.travel.europe: I have to call the UK and am
    > somewhat confused by the city code that was given me, which was 020. I know
    > that the "2" means the phone in question is in the outer areas of London but
    > do I drop both "zeros" after the country code when dialing directly from the
    > US. My guess that this is the case but I ain't sure.

Drop leading zeros after the country code only.

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Old Jun 4th 2005, 4:32 am
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Joan McGalliard
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Edmund Lewis <[email protected]> wrote:

    > It looks like you're calling a London number, there are two codes 0207
    > for inner London, 0208 for outer.

While we are being pedantic ....

there is one code for London, (0)20. The 7 or 8 is part of the number.
If you are in London, you can skip the 020 part. It historically
reflects the old 0171 and 0181, but that's just convenience. Eventually
London numbers will have other leading digits.

To be fair, practically no one seems to know this. Most business list
their numbers as 0207 NNN NNNN or 0208 NNN NNNN.

joan

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Old Jun 4th 2005, 4:33 am
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Edmund Lewis
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[email protected] wrote:
    > On 4 Jun 2005 08:58:50 -0700, "Edmund Lewis" <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > >nitram wrote:
    > >> On 4 Jun 2005 08:45:28 -0700, "Edmund Lewis" <[email protected]>
    > >> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> >Marc Raizman wrote:
    > >> >> Gentlemen and ladies of the rec.travel.europe: I have to call the UK and am
    > >> >> somewhat confused by the city code that was given me, which was 020. I know
    > >> >> that the "2" means the phone in question is in the outer areas of London but
    > >> >> do I drop both "zeros" after the country code when dialing directly from the
    > >> >> US. My guess that this is the case but I ain't sure.
    > >> >> Thanks. M.
    > >> >
    > >> >To call Britain from overseas:
    > >> >
    > >> >0044 (area code minus first 0) number.
    > >>
    > >> +44
    > >>
    > >> 00 is not the international code in every country
    > >
    > >It's worked everywhere I've been :-)
    > >
    > >Although this site seems to suggest it's 011 from the US (why do they
    > >always have to be different ;-)
    > Yeah. Why should a different country do something differently?

Most of Europe thinks the same about us and vice versa :-)


    > Shame. Now explain why Europe uses PAL and SECAM while we use NTSC
    > which was first? Shouldn't the first rule?

http://www.videointerchange.com/pal_...onversions.htm

Interestingly, places on the list as using NTSC almost all do not the
00 code (exceptions are Chile, Peru, Venezuela, and Dutch colonies). I
wonder if there's a connection (no pun intended)?


Edmund
 
Old Jun 4th 2005, 4:41 am
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Edmund Lewis
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Joan McGalliard wrote:
    > Edmund Lewis <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > It looks like you're calling a London number, there are two codes 0207
    > > for inner London, 0208 for outer.
    > While we are being pedantic ....
    > there is one code for London, (0)20. The 7 or 8 is part of the number.
    > If you are in London, you can skip the 020 part. It historically
    > reflects the old 0171 and 0181, but that's just convenience. Eventually
    > London numbers will have other leading digits.
    > To be fair, practically no one seems to know this.

I didn't. Thanks. As you say, I thought they just replaced 0171/0181. I
remember that change (which didn't affect me as I still live in an 01..
area) coming only a short while after the 1 was introduced to all
numbers (phONE day, remember that?)

Edmund
 
Old Jun 4th 2005, 4:58 am
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Edmund wrote on 4 Jun 2005 09:41:34 -0700:


EL> Joan McGalliard wrote:
??>> Edmund Lewis <[email protected]> wrote:
??>>
??>>> It looks like you're calling a London number, there are
??>>> two codes 0207 for inner London, 0208 for outer.
??>>
??>> While we are being pedantic ....
??>>
??>> there is one code for London, (0)20. The 7 or 8 is part
??>> of the number. If you are in London, you can skip the 020
??>> part. It historically reflects the old 0171 and 0181, but
??>> that's just convenience. Eventually London numbers will
??>> have other leading digits.
??>>
??>> To be fair, practically no one seems to know this.

I find I really badly need some examples. Am I right in saying
that, dialing from the US, I would reach a number
in Glasgow given as 0141 123 4567, by dialing 011 44 141 123
4567 and for a number
in London, given as 020 7123 4567, I would dial 011 44 20 7123
4567 ?

James Silverton.
 
Old Jun 4th 2005, 5:16 am
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Edmund Lewis
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James Silverton wrote:
    > Edmund wrote on 4 Jun 2005 09:41:34 -0700:

    > I find I really badly need some examples. Am I right in saying
    > that, dialing from the US, I would reach a number
    > in Glasgow given as 0141 123 4567, by dialing 011 44 141 123
    > 4567 and for a number
    > in London, given as 020 7123 4567, I would dial 011 44 20 7123
    > 4567 ?
    > James Silverton.

Yes. You've only dropped the first 0 of the area codes which is
correct.

(My question to you: Can you confirm that it *is* in fact 011 (44) to
make international calls from America (to Britain), not 00 (44) as from
most places? It'd be useful me knowing that if I ever go to America).

Edmund
 


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