Worried about appearing to be a tourist? The ugly America?
Jun 3rd 2003, 2:18 am
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Re: Worried about appearing to be a tourist? The ugly America?
On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 12:09:18 +0100, Marie Lewis wrote:
> In article , Miguel Cruz
> writes
>>Marie Lewis wrote:
>>> Can anyone explain to me why split infinitives are acceptable
>>> grammatically in the USA but not in the UK?
>>They're acceptable anywhere that doesn't use Latin.
>>miguel
>
> Sorry? As far as I am aware we do not "use Latin" in the UK, but a
> split infinitive is certainly a grammatical error.
Wasn't it Churchill who said some pretty strong words about this issue?
(BTW, from the stnadpoint of a non-native English speaker, I don't really
understand what the fuss is about. Sure, in Latin languages there is no
such a thing. OTOH, it's a very common and natural thing to do and often
actually a requirement in Germanic languages. Sounds natural to me in
English.)
> In article , Miguel Cruz
> writes
>>Marie Lewis wrote:
>>> Can anyone explain to me why split infinitives are acceptable
>>> grammatically in the USA but not in the UK?
>>They're acceptable anywhere that doesn't use Latin.
>>miguel
>
> Sorry? As far as I am aware we do not "use Latin" in the UK, but a
> split infinitive is certainly a grammatical error.
Wasn't it Churchill who said some pretty strong words about this issue?
(BTW, from the stnadpoint of a non-native English speaker, I don't really
understand what the fuss is about. Sure, in Latin languages there is no
such a thing. OTOH, it's a very common and natural thing to do and often
actually a requirement in Germanic languages. Sounds natural to me in
English.)
Jun 3rd 2003, 2:21 am
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Jim Ley wrote in message
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> On Tue, 3 Jun 2003 14:15:49 +0100, "Surreyman"
> wrote:
> >How on earth do you split a Latin infinitive? Amlustfullyare?
> You don't, that was the point I was making, because you can't do it in
> Latin, it was decided you shouldn't do it in English either...
> >An invention! To make English more like Latin! When! Why! By whom!!
> http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexper...litinfinitives
> http://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/~susan/cyc/s/split.htm
> http://www.bartleby.com/61/55/S0655500.html
> http://www.cbc.ca/news/indepth/words/infinitives.html
> Or indeed just about any google search with split infinitive in it.
> Also if you wish to visit your local library, the books will say the
> same.
Thanks for some interesting sites - and apologies!
Didn't realise there was so much discussion behind it!
As I did say, all except pedants seem to agree that there is no problem in
splitting, but I did think that it was strictly correct not to do so. Still
seems to be moreorless the case, but didn't realise the stupid 'Latin'
reasoning!
Thanks again. Interesting.
Surreyman
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> On Tue, 3 Jun 2003 14:15:49 +0100, "Surreyman"
> wrote:
> >How on earth do you split a Latin infinitive? Amlustfullyare?
> You don't, that was the point I was making, because you can't do it in
> Latin, it was decided you shouldn't do it in English either...
> >An invention! To make English more like Latin! When! Why! By whom!!
> http://www.askoxford.com/asktheexper...litinfinitives
> http://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/~susan/cyc/s/split.htm
> http://www.bartleby.com/61/55/S0655500.html
> http://www.cbc.ca/news/indepth/words/infinitives.html
> Or indeed just about any google search with split infinitive in it.
> Also if you wish to visit your local library, the books will say the
> same.
Thanks for some interesting sites - and apologies!
Didn't realise there was so much discussion behind it!
As I did say, all except pedants seem to agree that there is no problem in
splitting, but I did think that it was strictly correct not to do so. Still
seems to be moreorless the case, but didn't realise the stupid 'Latin'
reasoning!
Thanks again. Interesting.
Surreyman
Jun 3rd 2003, 2:36 am
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Re: Worried about appearing to be a tourist? The ugly America?
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> On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 12:09:18 +0100, Marie Lewis wrote:
> > In article , Miguel Cruz
> > writes
> >>Marie Lewis wrote:
> >>> Can anyone explain to me why split infinitives are acceptable
> >>> grammatically in the USA but not in the UK?
> >>
> >>They're acceptable anywhere that doesn't use Latin.
> >>
> >>miguel
> >
> > Sorry? As far as I am aware we do not "use Latin" in the UK, but a
> > split infinitive is certainly a grammatical error.
> Wasn't it Churchill who said some pretty strong words about this issue?
> (BTW, from the stnadpoint of a non-native English speaker, I don't really
> understand what the fuss is about. Sure, in Latin languages there is no
> such a thing. OTOH, it's a very common and natural thing to do and often
> actually a requirement in Germanic languages. Sounds natural to me in
> English.)
I don't remember anything about split infinitives, but he did once say
something like "This is the sort of bloody nonsense up with which I will not
put." !
But isn't it German that insists on the verb at the end?!
Surreyman
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[email protected]...> On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 12:09:18 +0100, Marie Lewis wrote:
> > In article , Miguel Cruz
> > writes
> >>Marie Lewis wrote:
> >>> Can anyone explain to me why split infinitives are acceptable
> >>> grammatically in the USA but not in the UK?
> >>
> >>They're acceptable anywhere that doesn't use Latin.
> >>
> >>miguel
> >
> > Sorry? As far as I am aware we do not "use Latin" in the UK, but a
> > split infinitive is certainly a grammatical error.
> Wasn't it Churchill who said some pretty strong words about this issue?
> (BTW, from the stnadpoint of a non-native English speaker, I don't really
> understand what the fuss is about. Sure, in Latin languages there is no
> such a thing. OTOH, it's a very common and natural thing to do and often
> actually a requirement in Germanic languages. Sounds natural to me in
> English.)
I don't remember anything about split infinitives, but he did once say
something like "This is the sort of bloody nonsense up with which I will not
put." !
But isn't it German that insists on the verb at the end?!
Surreyman
Jun 3rd 2003, 3:02 am
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On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 14:18:11 GMT, "devil" wrote:
>On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 12:09:18 +0100, Marie Lewis wrote:
>> In article , Miguel Cruz
>> writes
>>>Marie Lewis wrote:
>>>> Can anyone explain to me why split infinitives are acceptable
>>>> grammatically in the USA but not in the UK?
>>>They're acceptable anywhere that doesn't use Latin.
>>>miguel
>>
>> Sorry? As far as I am aware we do not "use Latin" in the UK, but a
>> split infinitive is certainly a grammatical error.
>Wasn't it Churchill who said some pretty strong words about this issue?
>(BTW, from the stnadpoint of a non-native English speaker, I don't really
>understand what the fuss is about. Sure, in Latin languages there is no
>such a thing. OTOH, it's a very common and natural thing to do and often
>actually a requirement in Germanic languages. Sounds natural to me in
>English.)
The following from "Practical English Usage" (Michael Swan, Oxford
University Press):
"Split infinitive structures are quite common in English, especially
in an informal style. A lot of people consider them 'bad style', and
avoid them if possible, placing the adverb before the 'to', or in
end-position in the sentence.
However, it is not always possible to construct sentences in other
ways without changing the meaning.
Your job is to really make the club a success. (Here 'really'
intensifies the meaning of 'make'.)
Your job is really to make the club a success. (Here 'Your job is
really' means 'The real purpose of your job'.)
(The famous American writer Raymond Chandler got very angry when his
British publisher 'corrected' his split infinitives. He wrote a letter
saying 'When I split an infinitive, god damn it, I split it so it
stays split.')
Prof David Crystal ("The English Language" - Penguin Books) makes a
similar point, saying that "I want you to really try" sounds natural,
whereas "really to try" and "to try really" are awakward.
>On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 12:09:18 +0100, Marie Lewis wrote:
>> In article , Miguel Cruz
>> writes
>>>Marie Lewis wrote:
>>>> Can anyone explain to me why split infinitives are acceptable
>>>> grammatically in the USA but not in the UK?
>>>They're acceptable anywhere that doesn't use Latin.
>>>miguel
>>
>> Sorry? As far as I am aware we do not "use Latin" in the UK, but a
>> split infinitive is certainly a grammatical error.
>Wasn't it Churchill who said some pretty strong words about this issue?
>(BTW, from the stnadpoint of a non-native English speaker, I don't really
>understand what the fuss is about. Sure, in Latin languages there is no
>such a thing. OTOH, it's a very common and natural thing to do and often
>actually a requirement in Germanic languages. Sounds natural to me in
>English.)
The following from "Practical English Usage" (Michael Swan, Oxford
University Press):
"Split infinitive structures are quite common in English, especially
in an informal style. A lot of people consider them 'bad style', and
avoid them if possible, placing the adverb before the 'to', or in
end-position in the sentence.
However, it is not always possible to construct sentences in other
ways without changing the meaning.
Your job is to really make the club a success. (Here 'really'
intensifies the meaning of 'make'.)
Your job is really to make the club a success. (Here 'Your job is
really' means 'The real purpose of your job'.)
(The famous American writer Raymond Chandler got very angry when his
British publisher 'corrected' his split infinitives. He wrote a letter
saying 'When I split an infinitive, god damn it, I split it so it
stays split.')
Prof David Crystal ("The English Language" - Penguin Books) makes a
similar point, saying that "I want you to really try" sounds natural,
whereas "really to try" and "to try really" are awakward.
Jun 3rd 2003, 3:11 am
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Re: Worried about appearing to be a tourist? The ugly America?
On Tue, 3 Jun 2003 15:36:40 +0100, "Surreyman"
wrote:
>devil wrote in message
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>> On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 12:09:18 +0100, Marie Lewis wrote:
>> > In article , Miguel Cruz
>> > writes
>> >>Marie Lewis wrote:
>> >>> Can anyone explain to me why split infinitives are acceptable
>> >>> grammatically in the USA but not in the UK?
>> >>
>> >>They're acceptable anywhere that doesn't use Latin.
>> >>
>> >>miguel
>> >
>> > Sorry? As far as I am aware we do not "use Latin" in the UK, but a
>> > split infinitive is certainly a grammatical error.
>> Wasn't it Churchill who said some pretty strong words about this issue?
>> (BTW, from the stnadpoint of a non-native English speaker, I don't really
>> understand what the fuss is about. Sure, in Latin languages there is no
>> such a thing. OTOH, it's a very common and natural thing to do and often
>> actually a requirement in Germanic languages. Sounds natural to me in
>> English.)
>I don't remember anything about split infinitives, but he did once say
>something like "This is the sort of bloody nonsense up with which I will not
>put." !
>But isn't it German that insists on the verb at the end?!
>Surreyman
According to Prof David Crystal (The English Language, Penguin Books),
the "rule" about not ending sentences with a preposition dates from
the 17th century and has been consistently ignored ever since. In a
conversational style, "That's the man I was talking to" is common in
speech and is more natural than "That's the man to whom I was
talking".
He quotes Shakespeare.......
Who would these fardels bear,
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death,
The undiscovered country, from whose bourn
Bo traveller returns, puzzles the will,
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
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>devil wrote in message
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[email protected]...>> On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 12:09:18 +0100, Marie Lewis wrote:
>> > In article , Miguel Cruz
>> > writes
>> >>Marie Lewis wrote:
>> >>> Can anyone explain to me why split infinitives are acceptable
>> >>> grammatically in the USA but not in the UK?
>> >>
>> >>They're acceptable anywhere that doesn't use Latin.
>> >>
>> >>miguel
>> >
>> > Sorry? As far as I am aware we do not "use Latin" in the UK, but a
>> > split infinitive is certainly a grammatical error.
>> Wasn't it Churchill who said some pretty strong words about this issue?
>> (BTW, from the stnadpoint of a non-native English speaker, I don't really
>> understand what the fuss is about. Sure, in Latin languages there is no
>> such a thing. OTOH, it's a very common and natural thing to do and often
>> actually a requirement in Germanic languages. Sounds natural to me in
>> English.)
>I don't remember anything about split infinitives, but he did once say
>something like "This is the sort of bloody nonsense up with which I will not
>put." !
>But isn't it German that insists on the verb at the end?!
>Surreyman
According to Prof David Crystal (The English Language, Penguin Books),
the "rule" about not ending sentences with a preposition dates from
the 17th century and has been consistently ignored ever since. In a
conversational style, "That's the man I was talking to" is common in
speech and is more natural than "That's the man to whom I was
talking".
He quotes Shakespeare.......
Who would these fardels bear,
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death,
The undiscovered country, from whose bourn
Bo traveller returns, puzzles the will,
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Jun 3rd 2003, 3:25 am
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devil wrote:
>
> Wasn't it Churchill who said some pretty strong words about this issue?
I'm not aware that Churchill ever said anything about the split
infinitive. He said about the rule against ending a sentence with a
preposition, "That is a rule up with which I will not put."
Barbara
>
> Wasn't it Churchill who said some pretty strong words about this issue?
I'm not aware that Churchill ever said anything about the split
infinitive. He said about the rule against ending a sentence with a
preposition, "That is a rule up with which I will not put."
Barbara
Jun 3rd 2003, 3:25 am
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"Marie Lewis" wrote in message
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> Can anyone explain to me why split infinitives are acceptable
> grammatically in the USA but not in the UK?
> --
Ask alt.usage.english
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"Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other
countries because you were born in it."
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> Can anyone explain to me why split infinitives are acceptable
> grammatically in the USA but not in the UK?
> --
Ask alt.usage.english
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel." Samuel Johnson
"Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other
countries because you were born in it."
George Bernard Shaw
Marc
Jun 3rd 2003, 4:04 am
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Re: Worried about appearing to be a tourist? The ugly America?
In article , devil
writes
>Wasn't it Churchill who said some pretty strong words about this issue?
NO, he was writing (or speaking) about prepositions.
Anyway, he was a Conservative and I have no truck with them!
--
Marie Lewis
writes
>Wasn't it Churchill who said some pretty strong words about this issue?
NO, he was writing (or speaking) about prepositions.
Anyway, he was a Conservative and I have no truck with them!
--
Marie Lewis
Jun 3rd 2003, 4:08 am
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In article , Keith Anderson
writes
>However, it is not always possible to construct sentences in other
>ways without changing the meaning.
>Your job is to really make the club a success. (Here 'really'
>intensifies the meaning of 'make'.)
Your job is to make the club a real success.
>Your job is really to make the club a success. (Here 'Your job is
>really' means 'The real purpose of your job'.)
OK?
>(The famous American writer Raymond Chandler got very angry when his
>British publisher 'corrected' his split infinitives. He wrote a letter
>saying 'When I split an infinitive, god damn it, I split it so it
>stays split.')
And we should always go by writers' rules? I think not.
>Prof David Crystal ("The English Language" - Penguin Books) makes a
>similar point, saying that "I want you to really try" sounds natural,
>whereas "really to try" and "to try really" are awakward.
"I want you to make a real effort" would cover it. One does not have to
stick with infinitives. Anyone with a real grasp of the English
language can easily avoid split infinitives and still make the exact
meaning clear.
--
Marie Lewis
writes
>However, it is not always possible to construct sentences in other
>ways without changing the meaning.
>Your job is to really make the club a success. (Here 'really'
>intensifies the meaning of 'make'.)
Your job is to make the club a real success.
>Your job is really to make the club a success. (Here 'Your job is
>really' means 'The real purpose of your job'.)
OK?
>(The famous American writer Raymond Chandler got very angry when his
>British publisher 'corrected' his split infinitives. He wrote a letter
>saying 'When I split an infinitive, god damn it, I split it so it
>stays split.')
And we should always go by writers' rules? I think not.
>Prof David Crystal ("The English Language" - Penguin Books) makes a
>similar point, saying that "I want you to really try" sounds natural,
>whereas "really to try" and "to try really" are awakward.
"I want you to make a real effort" would cover it. One does not have to
stick with infinitives. Anyone with a real grasp of the English
language can easily avoid split infinitives and still make the exact
meaning clear.
--
Marie Lewis
Jun 3rd 2003, 4:11 am
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Surreyman wrote:
> devil wrote in message
> news[email protected]...
>
>>On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 12:09:18 +0100, Marie Lewis wrote:
>>>In article , Miguel Cruz
>>> writes
>>>>Marie Lewis wrote:
>>>>>Can anyone explain to me why split infinitives are acceptable
>>>>>grammatically in the USA but not in the UK?
>>>>They're acceptable anywhere that doesn't use Latin.
>>>>miguel
>>>Sorry? As far as I am aware we do not "use Latin" in the UK, but a
>>>split infinitive is certainly a grammatical error.
>>Wasn't it Churchill who said some pretty strong words about this issue?
>>(BTW, from the stnadpoint of a non-native English speaker, I don't really
>>understand what the fuss is about. Sure, in Latin languages there is no
>>such a thing. OTOH, it's a very common and natural thing to do and often
>>actually a requirement in Germanic languages. Sounds natural to me in
>>English.)
>
>
> I don't remember anything about split infinitives, but he did once say
> something like "This is the sort of bloody nonsense up with which I will not
> put." !
> But isn't it German that insists on the verb at the end?!
>
> Surreyman
>
>
Only when the verb is a participle, or in a subjunctive clause.
- PB, just out of a second semester of German.
> devil wrote in message
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>>On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 12:09:18 +0100, Marie Lewis wrote:
>>>In article , Miguel Cruz
>>> writes
>>>>Marie Lewis wrote:
>>>>>Can anyone explain to me why split infinitives are acceptable
>>>>>grammatically in the USA but not in the UK?
>>>>They're acceptable anywhere that doesn't use Latin.
>>>>miguel
>>>Sorry? As far as I am aware we do not "use Latin" in the UK, but a
>>>split infinitive is certainly a grammatical error.
>>Wasn't it Churchill who said some pretty strong words about this issue?
>>(BTW, from the stnadpoint of a non-native English speaker, I don't really
>>understand what the fuss is about. Sure, in Latin languages there is no
>>such a thing. OTOH, it's a very common and natural thing to do and often
>>actually a requirement in Germanic languages. Sounds natural to me in
>>English.)
>
>
> I don't remember anything about split infinitives, but he did once say
> something like "This is the sort of bloody nonsense up with which I will not
> put." !
> But isn't it German that insists on the verb at the end?!
>
> Surreyman
>
>
Only when the verb is a participle, or in a subjunctive clause.
- PB, just out of a second semester of German.
Jun 3rd 2003, 4:19 am
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On Tue, 3 Jun 2003 13:54:05 +0100, Marie Lewis
wrote:
>In article , Jim Ley
> writes
>>I don't think you'll find that much support for that view even in the
>>UK amoungst the relevant experts. I believeFowler is happy with
>>them... and on a more travel related side, so is Bill Bryson...
> But Bill Bryson is American!
And Fowler was English... We all speak the same language.
>And I am not happy with split infinitives: they sound so clumsy and,
>with just a little thought, are easily avoided.
Hmm... In all cases?
Jim.
wrote:
>In article , Jim Ley
> writes
>>I don't think you'll find that much support for that view even in the
>>UK amoungst the relevant experts. I believeFowler is happy with
>>them... and on a more travel related side, so is Bill Bryson...
> But Bill Bryson is American!
And Fowler was English... We all speak the same language.
>And I am not happy with split infinitives: they sound so clumsy and,
>with just a little thought, are easily avoided.
Hmm... In all cases?
Jim.
Jun 3rd 2003, 4:33 am
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On Tue, 3 Jun 2003 08:42:49 +0100, Marie Lewis
wrote:
>In article , Tony B
>writes
>>>was not correcting or commenting on your typo. It is proper when quoting to
>>> not correct a mistake but to use (sic) and quote the exact original.
>Can anyone explain to me why split infinitives are acceptable
>grammatically in the USA but not in the UK?
Assorted editions of Fowler say they are acceptable and the The
Oxford Companion to the English Language seems to consider it a
somewhat silly controversy.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
wrote:
>In article , Tony B
>writes
>>>was not correcting or commenting on your typo. It is proper when quoting to
>>> not correct a mistake but to use (sic) and quote the exact original.
>Can anyone explain to me why split infinitives are acceptable
>grammatically in the USA but not in the UK?
Assorted editions of Fowler say they are acceptable and the The
Oxford Companion to the English Language seems to consider it a
somewhat silly controversy.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Jun 3rd 2003, 4:35 am
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On Tue, 3 Jun 2003 12:09:18 +0100, Marie Lewis
wrote:
>In article , Miguel Cruz
> writes
>>Marie Lewis wrote:
>>> Can anyone explain to me why split infinitives are acceptable
>>> grammatically in the USA but not in the UK?
>>They're acceptable anywhere that doesn't use Latin.
>>6
>Sorry? As far as I am aware we do not "use Latin" in the UK, but a
>split infinitive is certainly a grammatical error.
Oh dear. "Certainly"? Not so. Please look it up in some
reasonably authoritative sources. You might especially want to
look in Fowler.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
wrote:
>In article , Miguel Cruz
> writes
>>Marie Lewis wrote:
>>> Can anyone explain to me why split infinitives are acceptable
>>> grammatically in the USA but not in the UK?
>>They're acceptable anywhere that doesn't use Latin.
>>6
>Sorry? As far as I am aware we do not "use Latin" in the UK, but a
>split infinitive is certainly a grammatical error.
Oh dear. "Certainly"? Not so. Please look it up in some
reasonably authoritative sources. You might especially want to
look in Fowler.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Jun 3rd 2003, 5:28 am
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Following up to Marie Lewis
>>But basically, who gives a t***?
>Me, for one. My husband, for another.
As long as you dont correct my grammer, thats fine.
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>>But basically, who gives a t***?
>Me, for one. My husband, for another.
As long as you dont correct my grammer, thats fine.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
Fellwalking, photos, London & the Thames path "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
Jun 3rd 2003, 6:22 am
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On Tue, 3 Jun 2003 13:56:23 +0100, Marie Lewis
wrote:
>In article , The Reid
> writes
>>We do use latin in a sense in UK, in that we have grafted latin
>>grammar onto a germanic language (something like that).
>>But basically, who gives a t***?
>Me, for one. My husband, for another.
That would be "I, for one". Nominative case, as in "I give a
t***"
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
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* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
wrote:
>In article , The Reid
> writes
>>We do use latin in a sense in UK, in that we have grafted latin
>>grammar onto a germanic language (something like that).
>>But basically, who gives a t***?
>Me, for one. My husband, for another.
That would be "I, for one". Nominative case, as in "I give a
t***"
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
