Why Are They Trashing This News Group?
Jan 17th 2005, 1:40 am
#46
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Re: Why Are They Trashing This News Group?
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:31:53 +0100, Magda <[email protected]>
wrote:
> ... > ... >Moreover, Titan is a personage of Greek mythology, thus European. QED.
> ... > ...
> ... > ... Huygens was the Dutch astronomer, who discovered Titan.
> ... >
> ... >See ? Business kept in the family ! :))
> ...
> ... I don't see. What are you talking about?
>Why, when did the Netherlands leave the EU ??
It's a trick question? Right? Can I consult a friend?
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Martin
wrote:
> ... > ... >Moreover, Titan is a personage of Greek mythology, thus European. QED.
> ... > ...
> ... > ... Huygens was the Dutch astronomer, who discovered Titan.
> ... >
> ... >See ? Business kept in the family ! :))
> ...
> ... I don't see. What are you talking about?
>Why, when did the Netherlands leave the EU ??
It's a trick question? Right? Can I consult a friend?
--
Martin
Jan 17th 2005, 3:55 am
#47
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Re: Why Are They Trashing This News Group?
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 01:31:38 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, "szozu" <hoppbunny at hotmail
com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
...
... "Bob Houha" <[email protected]> wrote in message
... news:[email protected] m...
...
... > It seems as if a few have taken the news group over as some sort of game
... or
... > for personal expression. It also looks as if the number of requests for
... > information has dropped and that many may have given up on the group, as I
... > will have to do if this keeps up.
...
... Complete and utter nonsense. This ng works quite well indeed and one of the
... delights of Usenet is the freedom to chit-chat and be a wiseguy at times,
... instead of merely feeding out dry snippets of information.
There are moderated groups for people who want only dry bits of data. Watching the grass
grow is much more fun.
... For that matter, I can't recall Bob Houha being a participant for all the
... years that I have been reading this group. Perhaps he is a taker and not a
... giver of information?
...
... Lana
...
com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
...
... "Bob Houha" <[email protected]> wrote in message
... news:[email protected] m...
...
... > It seems as if a few have taken the news group over as some sort of game
... or
... > for personal expression. It also looks as if the number of requests for
... > information has dropped and that many may have given up on the group, as I
... > will have to do if this keeps up.
...
... Complete and utter nonsense. This ng works quite well indeed and one of the
... delights of Usenet is the freedom to chit-chat and be a wiseguy at times,
... instead of merely feeding out dry snippets of information.
There are moderated groups for people who want only dry bits of data. Watching the grass
grow is much more fun.
... For that matter, I can't recall Bob Houha being a participant for all the
... years that I have been reading this group. Perhaps he is a taker and not a
... giver of information?
...
... Lana
...
Jan 17th 2005, 3:57 am
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Re: Why Are They Trashing This News Group?
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:40:47 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, nitram <[email protected]> arranged
some electrons, so they looked like this :
... On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:31:53 +0100, Magda <[email protected]>
... wrote:
...
...
... > ... > ... >Moreover, Titan is a personage of Greek mythology, thus European. QED.
... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... Huygens was the Dutch astronomer, who discovered Titan.
... > ... >
... > ... >See ? Business kept in the family ! :))
... > ...
... > ... I don't see. What are you talking about?
... >
... >Why, when did the Netherlands leave the EU ??
...
... It's a trick question? Right? Can I consult a friend?
The wife is not available ? I've heard she is quite a brain. :)
some electrons, so they looked like this :
... On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:31:53 +0100, Magda <[email protected]>
... wrote:
...
...
... > ... > ... >Moreover, Titan is a personage of Greek mythology, thus European. QED.
... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... Huygens was the Dutch astronomer, who discovered Titan.
... > ... >
... > ... >See ? Business kept in the family ! :))
... > ...
... > ... I don't see. What are you talking about?
... >
... >Why, when did the Netherlands leave the EU ??
...
... It's a trick question? Right? Can I consult a friend?
The wife is not available ? I've heard she is quite a brain. :)
Jan 17th 2005, 4:28 am
#49
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Re: Why Are They Trashing This News Group?
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:57:34 +0100, Magda <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:40:47 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, nitram <[email protected]> arranged
>some electrons, so they looked like this :
> ... On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:31:53 +0100, Magda <[email protected]>
> ... wrote:
> ...
> ...
> ... > ... > ... >Moreover, Titan is a personage of Greek mythology, thus European. QED.
> ... > ... > ...
> ... > ... > ... Huygens was the Dutch astronomer, who discovered Titan.
> ... > ... >
> ... > ... >See ? Business kept in the family ! :))
> ... > ...
> ... > ... I don't see. What are you talking about?
> ... >
> ... >Why, when did the Netherlands leave the EU ??
> ...
> ... It's a trick question? Right? Can I consult a friend?
>The wife is not available ? I've heard she is quite a brain. :)
Women are no good at trick questions.
:-)
--
Martin
wrote:
>On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:40:47 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, nitram <[email protected]> arranged
>some electrons, so they looked like this :
> ... On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:31:53 +0100, Magda <[email protected]>
> ... wrote:
> ...
> ...
> ... > ... > ... >Moreover, Titan is a personage of Greek mythology, thus European. QED.
> ... > ... > ...
> ... > ... > ... Huygens was the Dutch astronomer, who discovered Titan.
> ... > ... >
> ... > ... >See ? Business kept in the family ! :))
> ... > ...
> ... > ... I don't see. What are you talking about?
> ... >
> ... >Why, when did the Netherlands leave the EU ??
> ...
> ... It's a trick question? Right? Can I consult a friend?
>The wife is not available ? I've heard she is quite a brain. :)
Women are no good at trick questions.
:-)
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Martin
Jan 17th 2005, 4:54 am
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Re: Why Are They Trashing This News Group?
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 18:28:23 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, nitram <[email protected]> arranged
some electrons, so they looked like this :
... On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:57:34 +0100, Magda <[email protected]>
... wrote:
...
... >On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:40:47 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, nitram <[email protected]> arranged
... >some electrons, so they looked like this :
... >
... > ... On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:31:53 +0100, Magda <[email protected]>
... > ... wrote:
... > ...
... > ...
... > ... > ... > ... >Moreover, Titan is a personage of Greek mythology, thus European. QED.
... > ... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... > ... Huygens was the Dutch astronomer, who discovered Titan.
... > ... > ... >
... > ... > ... >See ? Business kept in the family ! :))
... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... I don't see. What are you talking about?
... > ... >
... > ... >Why, when did the Netherlands leave the EU ??
... > ...
... > ... It's a trick question? Right? Can I consult a friend?
... >
... >The wife is not available ? I've heard she is quite a brain. :)
...
... Women are no good at trick questions.
...
... :-)
You are not better at all - are you a woman ?
Na !
some electrons, so they looked like this :
... On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:57:34 +0100, Magda <[email protected]>
... wrote:
...
... >On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:40:47 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, nitram <[email protected]> arranged
... >some electrons, so they looked like this :
... >
... > ... On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 15:31:53 +0100, Magda <[email protected]>
... > ... wrote:
... > ...
... > ...
... > ... > ... > ... >Moreover, Titan is a personage of Greek mythology, thus European. QED.
... > ... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... > ... Huygens was the Dutch astronomer, who discovered Titan.
... > ... > ... >
... > ... > ... >See ? Business kept in the family ! :))
... > ... > ...
... > ... > ... I don't see. What are you talking about?
... > ... >
... > ... >Why, when did the Netherlands leave the EU ??
... > ...
... > ... It's a trick question? Right? Can I consult a friend?
... >
... >The wife is not available ? I've heard she is quite a brain. :)
...
... Women are no good at trick questions.
...
... :-)
You are not better at all - are you a woman ?
Na !
Jan 17th 2005, 6:02 am
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Re: Why Are They Trashing This News Group?
Yves Bellefeuille <[email protected]> wrote:
> In any event, everybody would be free to use either the existing
> unmoderated group or the new moderated group, as they prefer.
For an example of how well that works, take a look at
misc.transport.air-industry, created as a moderated alternative to
rec.travel.air. Almost every single post comes from one of the moderators,
or is a thread hijacked from rec.travel.air.
Nobody uses moderated groups. They're either someone's (or some clique's)
private empire, or completely devoid of the conversation that keeps regular
posters interested.
miguel
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> In any event, everybody would be free to use either the existing
> unmoderated group or the new moderated group, as they prefer.
For an example of how well that works, take a look at
misc.transport.air-industry, created as a moderated alternative to
rec.travel.air. Almost every single post comes from one of the moderators,
or is a thread hijacked from rec.travel.air.
Nobody uses moderated groups. They're either someone's (or some clique's)
private empire, or completely devoid of the conversation that keeps regular
posters interested.
miguel
--
Hit The Road! Photos from 32 countries on 5 continents: http://travel.u.nu
Jan 17th 2005, 6:06 am
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Re: Why Are They Trashing This News Group?
"Miguel Cruz" <[email protected]> kirjoitti viestissä
news:[email protected]...
> Yves Bellefeuille <[email protected]> wrote:
> > In any event, everybody would be free to use either the existing
> > unmoderated group or the new moderated group, as they prefer.
> For an example of how well that works, take a look at
> misc.transport.air-industry, created as a moderated alternative to
> rec.travel.air. Almost every single post comes from one of the moderators,
> or is a thread hijacked from rec.travel.air.
> Nobody uses moderated groups. They're either someone's (or some clique's)
> private empire, or completely devoid of the conversation that keeps
regular
> posters interested.
I guess this thread started from a claim that unmoderated groups are
contaminated by few noisy bastards.
news:[email protected]...
> Yves Bellefeuille <[email protected]> wrote:
> > In any event, everybody would be free to use either the existing
> > unmoderated group or the new moderated group, as they prefer.
> For an example of how well that works, take a look at
> misc.transport.air-industry, created as a moderated alternative to
> rec.travel.air. Almost every single post comes from one of the moderators,
> or is a thread hijacked from rec.travel.air.
> Nobody uses moderated groups. They're either someone's (or some clique's)
> private empire, or completely devoid of the conversation that keeps
regular
> posters interested.
I guess this thread started from a claim that unmoderated groups are
contaminated by few noisy bastards.
Jan 17th 2005, 6:16 am
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Re: Why Are They Trashing This News Group?
Markku Grönroos <[email protected]> wrote:
> "Miguel Cruz" <[email protected]> kirjoitti viestissä
> news:[email protected]...
> > Yves Bellefeuille <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > In any event, everybody would be free to use either the existing
> > > unmoderated group or the new moderated group, as they prefer.
> >
> > For an example of how well that works, take a look at
> > misc.transport.air-industry, created as a moderated alternative to
> > rec.travel.air. Almost every single post comes from one of the moderators,
> > or is a thread hijacked from rec.travel.air.
> >
> > Nobody uses moderated groups. They're either someone's (or some clique's)
> > private empire, or completely devoid of the conversation that keeps
> regular
> > posters interested.
> >
> I guess this thread started from a claim that unmoderated groups are
> contaminated by few noisy bastards.
But, you haven't been posting here that much lately, have you? :)
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> "Miguel Cruz" <[email protected]> kirjoitti viestissä
> news:[email protected]...
> > Yves Bellefeuille <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > In any event, everybody would be free to use either the existing
> > > unmoderated group or the new moderated group, as they prefer.
> >
> > For an example of how well that works, take a look at
> > misc.transport.air-industry, created as a moderated alternative to
> > rec.travel.air. Almost every single post comes from one of the moderators,
> > or is a thread hijacked from rec.travel.air.
> >
> > Nobody uses moderated groups. They're either someone's (or some clique's)
> > private empire, or completely devoid of the conversation that keeps
> regular
> > posters interested.
> >
> I guess this thread started from a claim that unmoderated groups are
> contaminated by few noisy bastards.
But, you haven't been posting here that much lately, have you? :)
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David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Jan 17th 2005, 8:05 am
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Re: Why Are They Trashing This News Group?
Gerrit 't Hart wrote:
> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>There are CERTAINLY not the "flame wars" here that one encounters
>>elsewhere!
>
>
> Mind you we have seen many genuine posters pestered to such an extent that
> they have left the ng!
> I think of people like Jack.
But that was due mainly to the hounding of Yves (whatever
his surname is) who set himeself up as the arbiter of what
is and is not appropriate to the newsgroup! He complained
that Jack was a spammer (which he was NOT), and persuaded
Jack's ISP to cancel his account. (FWIW, I think it was the
birth of a much welcomed grandchild that diverted Jack's
attention from us - not any "off topic" posts.)
> "EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>There are CERTAINLY not the "flame wars" here that one encounters
>>elsewhere!
>
>
> Mind you we have seen many genuine posters pestered to such an extent that
> they have left the ng!
> I think of people like Jack.
But that was due mainly to the hounding of Yves (whatever
his surname is) who set himeself up as the arbiter of what
is and is not appropriate to the newsgroup! He complained
that Jack was a spammer (which he was NOT), and persuaded
Jack's ISP to cancel his account. (FWIW, I think it was the
birth of a much welcomed grandchild that diverted Jack's
attention from us - not any "off topic" posts.)
Jan 17th 2005, 8:10 am
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Re: Why Are They Trashing This News Group?
Padraig Breathnach wrote:
> "Gerrit 't Hart" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>>There are CERTAINLY not the "flame wars" here that one encounters
>>>elsewhere!
>>Mind you we have seen many genuine posters pestered to such an extent that
>>they have left the ng!
>>I think of people like Jack.
>
> There has been genuine bad behaviour here from time to time, and that
> is unwelcome. But most of the OT stuff currently is simply people
> shooting the breeze. Harmless stuff, and not worth getting annoyed
> about. People who don't like it can choose to killfile a number of
> contributors, but then they must accept the possibility of also losing
> a good deal of travel-related stuff.
I still don't understand why they consider "complaining" to
be necessary! Is it so difficult to skip over threads whose
titles indicate they have nothing to interest you? (If
I've no interest in a particular discussion, I don't bother
to post to the subject thread to say so - I just mark
"thread read" and go on to the next one.)
> "Gerrit 't Hart" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>>There are CERTAINLY not the "flame wars" here that one encounters
>>>elsewhere!
>>Mind you we have seen many genuine posters pestered to such an extent that
>>they have left the ng!
>>I think of people like Jack.
>
> There has been genuine bad behaviour here from time to time, and that
> is unwelcome. But most of the OT stuff currently is simply people
> shooting the breeze. Harmless stuff, and not worth getting annoyed
> about. People who don't like it can choose to killfile a number of
> contributors, but then they must accept the possibility of also losing
> a good deal of travel-related stuff.
I still don't understand why they consider "complaining" to
be necessary! Is it so difficult to skip over threads whose
titles indicate they have nothing to interest you? (If
I've no interest in a particular discussion, I don't bother
to post to the subject thread to say so - I just mark
"thread read" and go on to the next one.)
Jan 17th 2005, 8:13 am
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Re: Why Are They Trashing This News Group?
Yves Bellefeuille wrote:
>
> The simplest solution would be to create a new moderated group (not
> moderating the existing group, but creating a new group), but there seems
> to be little interest in going so.
Yes, with you as the moderator, no doubt. (It was you who
drove away Jack and a couple other posters who were
universally welcomed here by everyone but you!)
>
> The simplest solution would be to create a new moderated group (not
> moderating the existing group, but creating a new group), but there seems
> to be little interest in going so.
Yes, with you as the moderator, no doubt. (It was you who
drove away Jack and a couple other posters who were
universally welcomed here by everyone but you!)
Jan 17th 2005, 8:19 am
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Re: Why Are They Trashing This News Group?
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 13:02:33 -0600, Miguel Cruz wrote:
> Nobody uses moderated groups. They're either someone's (or some clique's)
> private empire, or completely devoid of the conversation that keeps regular
> posters interested.
Its very true. I used to frequent a newsgroup that became moderated,
mainly due to one extremely persistent troll (and the fact that there
was a near-duplicate but unused newsgroup that would stay unmoderated.
Suddenly even related posts became denied as "off-topic", if they weren't
dull and technical...and nearly everyone moved to the unmoderated group
(including the troll). Many that stuck around got better at filtering.
While I agree with the original poster that there is a lot of off-topic
(or only remotely on-topic) personal chatter, I would also add that it
tends to be in off-topic (or only remotely on-topic) subjects. So its
simply a matter of ignoring those subjects. Generally a filter isn't
needed.
I filter based on some words (e.g. Iraq, Frog) and cross-post references
(e.g. alt.politics.*), but looking at Google it doesn't appear that these
are really needed at this point in time. And who knows, I might be missing
some info on where to get the best frog legs in Europe.
--
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To reply to me, drop the attitude (from my e-mail address, at least)
> Nobody uses moderated groups. They're either someone's (or some clique's)
> private empire, or completely devoid of the conversation that keeps regular
> posters interested.
Its very true. I used to frequent a newsgroup that became moderated,
mainly due to one extremely persistent troll (and the fact that there
was a near-duplicate but unused newsgroup that would stay unmoderated.
Suddenly even related posts became denied as "off-topic", if they weren't
dull and technical...and nearly everyone moved to the unmoderated group
(including the troll). Many that stuck around got better at filtering.
While I agree with the original poster that there is a lot of off-topic
(or only remotely on-topic) personal chatter, I would also add that it
tends to be in off-topic (or only remotely on-topic) subjects. So its
simply a matter of ignoring those subjects. Generally a filter isn't
needed.
I filter based on some words (e.g. Iraq, Frog) and cross-post references
(e.g. alt.politics.*), but looking at Google it doesn't appear that these
are really needed at this point in time. And who knows, I might be missing
some info on where to get the best frog legs in Europe.
--
-BB-
To reply to me, drop the attitude (from my e-mail address, at least)
Jan 17th 2005, 8:20 am
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Re: Why Are They Trashing This News Group?
Yves Bellefeuille wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Jan 2005, Padraig Breathnach wrote:
>
>
>>Every individual can have a moderated newsgroup to reflect personal
>>preferences. All that is necessary is to spend a little time working
>>on filters.
>
>
> I don't think that "cleaning" a newsgroup is as easy as you suggest,
> especially for less experienced users. If it were, there wouldn't be any
> moderated groups.
You would consider that a BAD thing? Most people with a few
ounces of brainmatter can quickly figure out how to scroll
past posts that don't interest them, whether or not they
understand how to set filters (or want to bother doing so).
To many posters to Usenet, "moderated" equates to
"censored", a condition we prefer to avoid whenever possible!
> On Sun, 16 Jan 2005, Padraig Breathnach wrote:
>
>
>>Every individual can have a moderated newsgroup to reflect personal
>>preferences. All that is necessary is to spend a little time working
>>on filters.
>
>
> I don't think that "cleaning" a newsgroup is as easy as you suggest,
> especially for less experienced users. If it were, there wouldn't be any
> moderated groups.
You would consider that a BAD thing? Most people with a few
ounces of brainmatter can quickly figure out how to scroll
past posts that don't interest them, whether or not they
understand how to set filters (or want to bother doing so).
To many posters to Usenet, "moderated" equates to
"censored", a condition we prefer to avoid whenever possible!
Jan 17th 2005, 8:26 am
#59
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Re: Why Are They Trashing This News Group?
szozu wrote:
> "Bob Houha" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected] m...
>
>
>>It seems as if a few have taken the news group over as some sort of game
>
> or
>
>>for personal expression. It also looks as if the number of requests for
>>information has dropped and that many may have given up on the group, as I
>>will have to do if this keeps up.
>
>
> Complete and utter nonsense. This ng works quite well indeed and one of the
> delights of Usenet is the freedom to chit-chat and be a wiseguy at times,
> instead of merely feeding out dry snippets of information.
>
> For that matter, I can't recall Bob Houha being a participant for all the
> years that I have been reading this group. Perhaps he is a taker and not a
> giver of information?
You and I seem to be kindred spirits, Lana! (At least about
some things.) Most of us here, I think, look upon this
newsgroup as being in the nature of a travel "chat room",
where we can discuss not only specific travel subjects, but
also the interesting tangents which arise from the initial
topic.
> "Bob Houha" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected] m...
>
>
>>It seems as if a few have taken the news group over as some sort of game
>
> or
>
>>for personal expression. It also looks as if the number of requests for
>>information has dropped and that many may have given up on the group, as I
>>will have to do if this keeps up.
>
>
> Complete and utter nonsense. This ng works quite well indeed and one of the
> delights of Usenet is the freedom to chit-chat and be a wiseguy at times,
> instead of merely feeding out dry snippets of information.
>
> For that matter, I can't recall Bob Houha being a participant for all the
> years that I have been reading this group. Perhaps he is a taker and not a
> giver of information?
You and I seem to be kindred spirits, Lana! (At least about
some things.) Most of us here, I think, look upon this
newsgroup as being in the nature of a travel "chat room",
where we can discuss not only specific travel subjects, but
also the interesting tangents which arise from the initial
topic.
Jan 17th 2005, 8:28 am
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Re: Why Are They Trashing This News Group?
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) <[email protected]> wrote:
> He complained
> that Jack was a spammer (which he was NOT), and persuaded
> Jack's ISP to cancel his account.
Wow- I obviously wasn't reading around then. I remember his posts, and I
enjoyed them.
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
> He complained
> that Jack was a spammer (which he was NOT), and persuaded
> Jack's ISP to cancel his account.
Wow- I obviously wasn't reading around then. I remember his posts, and I
enjoyed them.
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
