Why does US Customs watch you while getting on a plane to Europe in the US??
Apr 15th 2003, 3:49 pm
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Emilia wrote:
> This is bizarre! Isn't it odd that it is difficult to develop a customer
> loyalty program but you can be asked to provide XRays to board a plane...
> Something is very wrong here!
When I entered Canada by air from England with my luggage our luggage was
x-rayed. A really interesting process. They could easily do the same with
passengers.
> This is bizarre! Isn't it odd that it is difficult to develop a customer
> loyalty program but you can be asked to provide XRays to board a plane...
> Something is very wrong here!
When I entered Canada by air from England with my luggage our luggage was
x-rayed. A really interesting process. They could easily do the same with
passengers.
Apr 15th 2003, 3:49 pm
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Tim wrote:
> > Or that lovely phrase "Weapons of Mass Distraction."
> Are they what Pamela Anderson has on her front ?
> Tim.
More pointed than Pamela's.
> > Or that lovely phrase "Weapons of Mass Distraction."
> Are they what Pamela Anderson has on her front ?
> Tim.
More pointed than Pamela's.
Apr 15th 2003, 4:07 pm
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In article ,
"Hman" wrote:
> Every time I have boarded a plane in the USA bound for Europe there have
> been 3 to 4 US Customs agents in the jet-way watching everyone board the
> plane.
>
> Why is this?
For the same reason the Communist solders used to surround every plane
arriving from the West.
Ivan
"Hman" wrote:
> Every time I have boarded a plane in the USA bound for Europe there have
> been 3 to 4 US Customs agents in the jet-way watching everyone board the
> plane.
>
> Why is this?
For the same reason the Communist solders used to surround every plane
arriving from the West.
Ivan
Apr 15th 2003, 6:26 pm
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B.Server wrote in news:[email protected]:
> On 15 Apr 2003 21:45:44 +0200, Emilia wrote:
>
>> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>>>
> [...]
>>>
>>> Perhaps they can't afford the array of video cameras and facial
>>> image recognition software that is used in Britain.
>>>
>>> Colin Bignell
>>Didn't I read somewhere that they were using that in some "test"
>>airports in the states already?
>
> And you may also have read that the technology has failed in every
> test conducted in the "real world" (tm) beginning with the first
> acknowledged one at the super bowl. Of course, that has not stopped
> the companies that peddle them from continuing to fabricate data or
> continue the FUD campaigns to encourage purchase by terrified (and
> ignorant) officialdom.
>
Unfortunately, that is not surprising!
> On 15 Apr 2003 21:45:44 +0200, Emilia wrote:
>
>> wrote in news:[email protected]:
>>>
> [...]
>>>
>>> Perhaps they can't afford the array of video cameras and facial
>>> image recognition software that is used in Britain.
>>>
>>> Colin Bignell
>>Didn't I read somewhere that they were using that in some "test"
>>airports in the states already?
>
> And you may also have read that the technology has failed in every
> test conducted in the "real world" (tm) beginning with the first
> acknowledged one at the super bowl. Of course, that has not stopped
> the companies that peddle them from continuing to fabricate data or
> continue the FUD campaigns to encourage purchase by terrified (and
> ignorant) officialdom.
>
Unfortunately, that is not surprising!
Apr 15th 2003, 8:01 pm
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Re: Why does US Customs watch you while getting on a plane to Europe in the US??
"Sjoerd" wrote in
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> But the interesting part of the story is that less than 1% of cocaine
> imports from Curacao are estimated to be smuggled in this way. The
> vast majority is arriving in big containers in sea ports. And customs
> admits that it is almost impossible (or at least it would hurt
> international trade too much) to inspect every container.
But it's worth the time and huge expense, because if they stop that less
than 1% coming into the country it will have a real effect on the streets.
The price will go up by less than 1%.
news:[email protected]:
> But the interesting part of the story is that less than 1% of cocaine
> imports from Curacao are estimated to be smuggled in this way. The
> vast majority is arriving in big containers in sea ports. And customs
> admits that it is almost impossible (or at least it would hurt
> international trade too much) to inspect every container.
But it's worth the time and huge expense, because if they stop that less
than 1% coming into the country it will have a real effect on the streets.
The price will go up by less than 1%.
Apr 16th 2003, 2:00 am
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Wolfgang Schwanke wrote in message
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> "Sjoerd" wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
> > They are looking for Weapons of Mass Destruction, the new obsession of
> > the US government.
> I thought they had some already?
Naaah, once again they were imagined. Nothing like the power of suggestion
to quiet the masses.
---
DFM
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> "Sjoerd" wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
> > They are looking for Weapons of Mass Destruction, the new obsession of
> > the US government.
> I thought they had some already?
Naaah, once again they were imagined. Nothing like the power of suggestion
to quiet the masses.
---
DFM
Apr 16th 2003, 2:23 am
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> > > They are looking for Weapons of Mass Destruction, the new obsession of
> > > the US government.
> >
> > I thought they had some already?
> Naaah, once again they were imagined. Nothing like the power of suggestion
> to quiet the masses.
I read the "I thought they had some already?" meant that the US has them
already, which they do, of course.
Tim.
> > > the US government.
> >
> > I thought they had some already?
> Naaah, once again they were imagined. Nothing like the power of suggestion
> to quiet the masses.
I read the "I thought they had some already?" meant that the US has them
already, which they do, of course.
Tim.
Apr 16th 2003, 5:45 am
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Ken Pisichko wrote in
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>
>
> Emilia wrote:
>
>> This is bizarre! Isn't it odd that it is difficult to develop a
>> customer loyalty program but you can be asked to provide XRays to
>> board a plane... Something is very wrong here!
>
> When I entered Canada by air from England with my luggage our luggage
> was x-rayed. A really interesting process. They could easily do the
> same with passengers.
huh? AFAIK, Xraying a person is quite different and dangerous to your
health!!
And a HUGE invasion of privacy and bording on the scary "Big
Brother"side!
news:[email protected]:
>
>
> Emilia wrote:
>
>> This is bizarre! Isn't it odd that it is difficult to develop a
>> customer loyalty program but you can be asked to provide XRays to
>> board a plane... Something is very wrong here!
>
> When I entered Canada by air from England with my luggage our luggage
> was x-rayed. A really interesting process. They could easily do the
> same with passengers.
huh? AFAIK, Xraying a person is quite different and dangerous to your
health!!
And a HUGE invasion of privacy and bording on the scary "Big
Brother"side!
Apr 16th 2003, 5:54 am
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In article ,
Ken Pisichko wrote:
> Emilia wrote:
>
> > This is bizarre! Isn't it odd that it is difficult to develop a customer
> > loyalty program but you can be asked to provide XRays to board a plane...
> > Something is very wrong here!
>
> When I entered Canada by air from England with my luggage our luggage was
> x-rayed. A really interesting process. They could easily do the same with
> passengers.
>
except that xrays for passengers poses a serious health risk and thus
require more than the whim of customs
Ken Pisichko wrote:
> Emilia wrote:
>
> > This is bizarre! Isn't it odd that it is difficult to develop a customer
> > loyalty program but you can be asked to provide XRays to board a plane...
> > Something is very wrong here!
>
> When I entered Canada by air from England with my luggage our luggage was
> x-rayed. A really interesting process. They could easily do the same with
> passengers.
>
except that xrays for passengers poses a serious health risk and thus
require more than the whim of customs
Apr 16th 2003, 6:19 am
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(single, young, no good reason to visit the Netherlands),
I thought being young and single was the perfect reason FOR visiting the
Netherlands! (for me its the cheese and the flowers)
Sarah
I thought being young and single was the perfect reason FOR visiting the
Netherlands! (for me its the cheese and the flowers)
Sarah
Apr 16th 2003, 9:53 am
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My impression is that the biggest attraction of the Netherlands for young
people is drug availability.
"Sarah Banick" a écrit dans le message de news:
c9hna.211748$OV.275024@rwcrnsc54...
> (single, young, no good reason to visit the Netherlands),
> I thought being young and single was the perfect reason FOR visiting the
> Netherlands! (for me its the cheese and the flowers)
> Sarah
people is drug availability.
"Sarah Banick" a écrit dans le message de news:
c9hna.211748$OV.275024@rwcrnsc54...
> (single, young, no good reason to visit the Netherlands),
> I thought being young and single was the perfect reason FOR visiting the
> Netherlands! (for me its the cheese and the flowers)
> Sarah
Apr 16th 2003, 10:50 am
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Jenn wrote:
> except that xrays for passengers poses a serious health risk and thus
> require more than the whim of customs
Agreed, but when Customs is on a hunt for illicit things they use various means
to do their searching. When the trucks are x-rayed at the border I wonder if
Customs worries about the drivers (I don't know if the drivers are in the
vehicles when the x-ray is done). How about the health of those "illegal aliens'
who are caught on the "images" taken? I don't hear of anyone marching about with
placards claiming that these x-rays are bad for the health of the people caught
being smuggled into the country (the USA).
Yes, x-rays can be harmful. Ouch, what a blanket statement!
OTOH, there are low level ones that are quite useful. Think of all those people
who have benefitted from CAT scans, and all those who have died because there was
no CAT machine to detect the problem until it became terminal...
> except that xrays for passengers poses a serious health risk and thus
> require more than the whim of customs
Agreed, but when Customs is on a hunt for illicit things they use various means
to do their searching. When the trucks are x-rayed at the border I wonder if
Customs worries about the drivers (I don't know if the drivers are in the
vehicles when the x-ray is done). How about the health of those "illegal aliens'
who are caught on the "images" taken? I don't hear of anyone marching about with
placards claiming that these x-rays are bad for the health of the people caught
being smuggled into the country (the USA).
Yes, x-rays can be harmful. Ouch, what a blanket statement!
OTOH, there are low level ones that are quite useful. Think of all those people
who have benefitted from CAT scans, and all those who have died because there was
no CAT machine to detect the problem until it became terminal...
Apr 16th 2003, 12:53 pm
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Re: Why does US Customs watch you while getting on a plane to Europe in the US??
Anonymouse whilst drunk and disorderly said:
"actually the Iraqis used prohibited weapons and we found both
prohibited
weapons and chemical weapons".
Waffle on!!! you only thought you did and you know how that
works.
US still in deep "Shit" internationally because they haven't
found
anything of REAL substance other than the oil well yet.
Paul Wolofwitz is worst than Hitler, he would invade all the
world
if they so much as blinked at US. AND you are stupid enough to
let a man like that dictate US Policy...Bloody Hell !!!!!
Jim
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Please remove DONTSPAMME from my address to reply.
"Anonymouse" wrote in message
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> >>They are looking for Weapons of Mass Destruction,
> >>the new obsession of the US government.
> >
> >
> > Well, the U.S. government turned an entire country upside and
overthrew its
> > government looking for such weapons, without success, so it
has to turn
> > _somewhere_. Of course, there's always Syria ... hmm.
> actually the Iraqis used prohibited weapons and we found both
prohibited
> weapons and chemical weapons.
> about a decade ago I was stopped going out of the country by
treasury
> agents because they thought because I'd bought my ticket to
europe the
> day before I left that I was carrying more than the 10,000$
permitted
> without declaration.
> (it was a quick little break between jobs.... I got a deal on a
ticket
> from a consolidator).
> the treasury guys were disappointed that all I had was a
thousand in
> travelers checks....
> and the FBI/BATF/DEA guy (alias "Bill Simmons" stationed in
Memphis,
> Tennessee, claims to be a civil lawyer but has been seen in the
criminal
> courts, and was apparently very familiar to the personel
there... some
> kinda gov. spook, tried to entrap me into drug deals in the
early 90s)
> who "just happened" to be on the plane and who had nothing but
his
> carryon had a hard time following me around... he managed to be
on the
> same overnight train to Munich -and- to Paris -and- on the same
flight
> back to the states... but he looked like hell by the flight
back.
> this was also the ONLY trip I've actually had my luggage
checked in
> Amsterdam... all they did was x-ray it... but still in almost
20 trips
> through schiphol it was the ONLY time I've ever had anything
but
> passport checked...."we" (agent simmons and I) were the ONLY
people on
> the plane to get our luggage x-rayed...
> --
> "I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted,
> and I won't be layed a hand on.
> I don't do these things to other people,
> and I require the same from them"
> J.B. Books (John Wayne)
"actually the Iraqis used prohibited weapons and we found both
prohibited
weapons and chemical weapons".
Waffle on!!! you only thought you did and you know how that
works.
US still in deep "Shit" internationally because they haven't
found
anything of REAL substance other than the oil well yet.
Paul Wolofwitz is worst than Hitler, he would invade all the
world
if they so much as blinked at US. AND you are stupid enough to
let a man like that dictate US Policy...Bloody Hell !!!!!
Jim
--
Please remove DONTSPAMME from my address to reply.
"Anonymouse" wrote in message
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> >>They are looking for Weapons of Mass Destruction,
> >>the new obsession of the US government.
> >
> >
> > Well, the U.S. government turned an entire country upside and
overthrew its
> > government looking for such weapons, without success, so it
has to turn
> > _somewhere_. Of course, there's always Syria ... hmm.
> actually the Iraqis used prohibited weapons and we found both
prohibited
> weapons and chemical weapons.
> about a decade ago I was stopped going out of the country by
treasury
> agents because they thought because I'd bought my ticket to
europe the
> day before I left that I was carrying more than the 10,000$
permitted
> without declaration.
> (it was a quick little break between jobs.... I got a deal on a
ticket
> from a consolidator).
> the treasury guys were disappointed that all I had was a
thousand in
> travelers checks....
> and the FBI/BATF/DEA guy (alias "Bill Simmons" stationed in
Memphis,
> Tennessee, claims to be a civil lawyer but has been seen in the
criminal
> courts, and was apparently very familiar to the personel
there... some
> kinda gov. spook, tried to entrap me into drug deals in the
early 90s)
> who "just happened" to be on the plane and who had nothing but
his
> carryon had a hard time following me around... he managed to be
on the
> same overnight train to Munich -and- to Paris -and- on the same
flight
> back to the states... but he looked like hell by the flight
back.
> this was also the ONLY trip I've actually had my luggage
checked in
> Amsterdam... all they did was x-ray it... but still in almost
20 trips
> through schiphol it was the ONLY time I've ever had anything
but
> passport checked...."we" (agent simmons and I) were the ONLY
people on
> the plane to get our luggage x-rayed...
> --
> "I won't be wronged. I won't be insulted,
> and I won't be layed a hand on.
> I don't do these things to other people,
> and I require the same from them"
> J.B. Books (John Wayne)
Apr 16th 2003, 1:20 pm
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Re: Why does US Customs watch you while getting on a plane to Europe in the US??
Tim wrote in message
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> > > > They are looking for Weapons of Mass Destruction, the new obsession
of
> > > > the US government.
> > >
> > > I thought they had some already?
> > Naaah, once again they were imagined. Nothing like the power of
suggestion
> > to quiet the masses.
> I read the "I thought they had some already?" meant that the US has them
> already, which they do, of course.
> Tim.
Either way!
Those pesky WMDs, eh? Racing around the arab world, slipping in and out of
any country they like...
---
DFM
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> > > > They are looking for Weapons of Mass Destruction, the new obsession
of
> > > > the US government.
> > >
> > > I thought they had some already?
> > Naaah, once again they were imagined. Nothing like the power of
suggestion
> > to quiet the masses.
> I read the "I thought they had some already?" meant that the US has them
> already, which they do, of course.
> Tim.
Either way!
Those pesky WMDs, eh? Racing around the arab world, slipping in and out of
any country they like...
---
DFM
Apr 16th 2003, 5:04 pm
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Re: Why does US Customs watch you while getting on a plane to Europe in the US??
On Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:50:59 -0500, in rec.travel.europe, Ken Pisichko
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... Agreed, but when Customs is on a hunt for illicit things they use various means
... to do their searching. When the trucks are x-rayed at the border I wonder if
... Customs worries about the drivers (I don't know if the drivers are in the
... vehicles when the x-ray is done). How about the health of those "illegal aliens'
... who are caught on the "images" taken? I don't hear of anyone marching about with
... placards claiming that these x-rays are bad for the health of the people caught
... being smuggled into the country (the USA).
I believe that said X-rays are too far away from the people to cause harm - they are used
to show silhouettes/suspect objects, not small details of internal organs.
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... Agreed, but when Customs is on a hunt for illicit things they use various means
... to do their searching. When the trucks are x-rayed at the border I wonder if
... Customs worries about the drivers (I don't know if the drivers are in the
... vehicles when the x-ray is done). How about the health of those "illegal aliens'
... who are caught on the "images" taken? I don't hear of anyone marching about with
... placards claiming that these x-rays are bad for the health of the people caught
... being smuggled into the country (the USA).
I believe that said X-rays are too far away from the people to cause harm - they are used
to show silhouettes/suspect objects, not small details of internal organs.
