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    >> >
    >> > DD
    >> >____________
    >> >
    >> >When the 'clever' Americans manage to dry up their now polluted rivers
    >> >(the
    >> >Colorado is a prime example) they will quickly classify Canada as their
    >> >best friend and be begging for fresh clean water.
    >> One thing that the great American dream cannot create is food without
    >> water.
    >> Be it beef or beets. China can't make it for them. Mexico water is unfit
    >> to
    >> use. Desalination is out of the question as they barely have enough power
    >> now to sustain their present lifestyle.
    > According to the following article, there are some 1200 desalination
    > plants in the U.S, with many more in the works.



______________-
And how many of these desalination pants will it take to supply enough
potable water for cities like New York or Los Angeles? What about the
large cities that are not adjacent to the oceans? What about the Southern
California Valleys where the need for irrigation water is staggering. Have
you considered the power required to desalinate a million gallons of sea
water? Every few hours, every day of the year? Forever or however long the
US exits as it is known to-day..

    > __________________
    > http://washingtontimes.com/upi-break...2143-4161r.htm
    > Thus, there will be no large scale water shortages in the U.S.
    >> The great 'American Dream' is about to become the 'Great Nightmare' in
    >> the>> next decade.
    > These predictions about the 'American Dream' dying have been around for
    > decades. Yet, the American (And Canadian) standard of living have been
    > improving decade after decade.
    >> Better they stay home and fix their own problems rather than running
    >> around
    >> the world telling everyone else how to live their lives.
    >> Ben Laden said it best: "I can now bankrupt the US by just doing
    >> nothing."

Bd

I just couldn't resist this one. I blow most of the idiotic posts off as
what they are, the ramplings of inintelligent and unimaginative neophite
dweeps with a bad case of p-n-s envy. Did I say that???

BD


"Magda" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 18:36:46 -0500, in rec.travel.europe, "BD"
<[email protected]> arranged
    > some electrons, so they looked like this :
    > ... Gee whizz, I thought it was a "LOST" news group. So I guess If I am
French,
    > ... I can't post? What if I'm Cuban, or even Japanese? If I can
communicate in
    > ... english in an english speaking group, WHAT"S THE DEAL?
    > ...
    > ... BD
    > Ignore them. Killfiles exist for this purpose.

Ausstu

Gactimus <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<1101271280.CexyTf48aLDcdG6XB1MZSg@bubbanews> ...
    > Can't they do ANYTHING without America? They'll always be the Third World
    > since America has been wiping their noses, feeding them, and paying for their
    > existence since before World War II.

The real question is why are you so threatened by hearing the views of
those who are more wordly than yourself.

Did it also not ocurr to you that alot of Americans live outside of
America or haven't you ever travelled outside the hick town that you
live in? Of course your probably not bright enough to realize you
can't tell where someone lives by their email address.

Intelligent American's are not be so afraid to debate the issues with
those who live outside American and in fact can learn from other
points of view. Free speach has always been the strength of the
American system, but it is obvious you only want to hear from those
who share your redneck point of view.

Magda

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 00:18:45 -0500, in rec.travel.europe, "BD" <[email protected]> arranged
some electrons, so they looked like this :

... I just couldn't resist this one. I blow most of the idiotic posts off as
... what they are, the ramplings of inintelligent and unimaginative neophite
... dweeps with a bad case of p-n-s envy. Did I say that???

Let Freud RIP ! Shame on you ! LOL

Gactimus

Magda <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

    > On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 00:18:45 -0500, in rec.travel.europe, "BD"
    > <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
    >
    > ... I just couldn't resist this one. I blow most of the idiotic posts
    > off as ... what they are, the ramplings of inintelligent and
    > unimaginative neophite ... dweeps with a bad case of p-n-s envy. Did I
    > say that???
    >
    > Let Freud RIP ! Shame on you ! LOL

Freud was an idiot.

Magda

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 12:27:48 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, Gactimus <[email protected]>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :

... Magda <[email protected]> wrote in
... news:[email protected]:
...
... > On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 00:18:45 -0500, in rec.travel.europe, "BD"
... > <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
... >
... > ... I just couldn't resist this one. I blow most of the idiotic posts
... > off as ... what they are, the ramplings of inintelligent and
... > unimaginative neophite ... dweeps with a bad case of p-n-s envy. Did I
... > say that???
... >
... > Let Freud RIP ! Shame on you ! LOL
...
... Freud was an idiot.

Agreed 100%.

Allen B

"Gactimus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1101385711.5GTbUE4Hk2Oum6vXK8dv5Q@bubbanews.. .
    > Magda <[email protected]> wrote in
    > news:[email protected]:
    > > On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 00:18:45 -0500, in rec.travel.europe, "BD"
    > > <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
    > >
    > > ... I just couldn't resist this one. I blow most of the idiotic posts
    > > off as ... what they are, the ramplings of inintelligent and
    > > unimaginative neophite ... dweeps with a bad case of p-n-s envy. Did I
    > > say that???
    > >
    > > Let Freud RIP ! Shame on you ! LOL
    > Freud was an idiot.

He babysat for my great grandmother.

nitram

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 09:18:43 -0500, "Allen B" <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >"Gactimus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:1101385711.5GTbUE4Hk2Oum6vXK8dv5Q@bubbanews. ..
    >> Magda <[email protected]> wrote in
    >> news:[email protected]:
    >> > On Thu, 25 Nov 2004 00:18:45 -0500, in rec.travel.europe, "BD"
    >> > <[email protected]> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
    >> >
    >> > ... I just couldn't resist this one. I blow most of the idiotic posts
    >> > off as ... what they are, the ramplings of inintelligent and
    >> > unimaginative neophite ... dweeps with a bad case of p-n-s envy. Did I
    >> > say that???
    >> >
    >> > Let Freud RIP ! Shame on you ! LOL
    >> Freud was an idiot.
    >He babysat for my great grandmother.

and dropped your father on his head? :-)
--
Martin

EvelynVogtGamble

Barney wrote:

    > [posted and mailed]
    >
    > Keith E. <[email protected]> had
    > writtennews:1101324740.uBi0F5bOSwspyENXBf9a7Q@1use net:
    >
    >
    >
    >>You haven't spent much time on Usenet, have you.
    >
    > Especialy on what we call a "Canadian" NG!
    >
    >
Whoever said rec.travel.europe was an AMERICAN newsgroup?
True, most of the posts are in English (but not all,
always), and we get input from all over the world! Always
have, SFAIK.

SAP BASIS Consultant

"My side" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<9xcpd.315429$Pl.67234@pd7tw1no>...
    > "SAP BASIS Consultant" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected] om...
    > > "My side" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:<qyWod.321290$%k.256095@pd7tw2no>...
    > >> "Dermot Donovan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >> news:[email protected] ink.net...
    > >> > "Gactimus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >> > news:1101271280.CexyTf48aLDcdG6XB1MZSg@bubbanews.. .
    >
    > >> >
    > >> > DD
    > >> >_________

stuff deleted..

    > >>
    > >
    > > According to the following article, there are some 1200 desalination
    > > plants in the U.S, with many more in the works.
    >
    >
    >
    > ______________-
    > And how many of these desalination pants will it take to supply enough
    > potable water for cities like New York or Los Angeles? What about the
    > large cities that are not adjacent to the oceans? What about the Southern
    > California Valleys where the need for irrigation water is staggering. Have
    > you considered the power required to desalinate a million gallons of sea
    > water? Every few hours, every day of the year? Forever or however long the
    > US exits as it is known to-day..
    >

Yes, there are serious water issues in the U.S. However,
countries with strong economies tend not to suffer from
severe and prolonged shortages of resources.

A few points:

(i) Desalination and other such technologies will improve
and become economically feasible in more and more cases.

(ii) If there is a water shortage, the price of water will
increase, and comsumption will decrease (Unless the gov't
interferes too much).

(iii) In the U.S, most water is used for energy or agricultural
purposes. Alternative sources of energy can be found. With respect
to the Agriculture, special techniques can be used to grow food
using less water (Israel uses a lot of them). Also, some
water-intensive agriculture may be converted to less water-intensive
agriculture.

Thus, there is no depression in the works due to water shortages in
North America.

http://www.epa.gov/watrhome/you/chap1.html
National patterns of water use indicate that the largest demand for
water withdrawals (fresh and saline) is for thermoelectric generation
(47 percent), followed by irrigation (34 percent), public supply (9
percent), industrial (6 percent), mining (1 percent), livestock (1
percent), domestic (1 percent), and commercial uses (1 percent)
(Solley et al., 1993). While thermoelectric generation represents the
largest demand for fresh and saline withdrawals, irrigation represents
the largest demand for freshwater withdrawal alone (see Figure 1 at
right). Activities that reduce the need to withdraw surface and ground
water will lead to many of the beneficial effects of conserving water.










    > > __________________
    > > http://washingtontimes.com/upi-break...2143-4161r.htm
    > >
    > > Thus, there will be no large scale water shortages in the U.S.
    > >
    > >
    > >> The great 'American Dream' is about to become the 'Great Nightmare' in
    > >> the>> next decade.
    > >>
    > >
    > > These predictions about the 'American Dream' dying have been around for
    > > decades. Yet, the American (And Canadian) standard of living have been
    > > improving decade after decade.
    > >
    > >> Better they stay home and fix their own problems rather than running
    > >> around
    > >> the world telling everyone else how to live their lives.
    > >>
    > >> Ben Laden said it best: "I can now bankrupt the US by just doing
    > >> nothing."

Mimi

"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Whoever said rec.travel.europe was an AMERICAN newsgroup? True, most of
    > the posts are in English (but not all, always), and we get input from all
    > over the world! Always have, SFAIK.

And thank goodness.

Marianne

Siobhan Medeiros

[email protected] (SAP BASIS Consultant) wrote in message news:<[email protected] om>...
    > "My side" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<9xcpd.315429$Pl.67234@pd7tw1no>...
    > > "SAP BASIS Consultant" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected] om...
    > > > "My side" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > news:<qyWod.321290$%k.256095@pd7tw2no>...
    > > >> "Dermot Donovan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > >> news:[email protected] ink.net...
    > > >> > "Gactimus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > >> > news:1101271280.CexyTf48aLDcdG6XB1MZSg@bubbanews.. .
    >
    > > >> >
    > > >> > DD
    > > >> >_________
    >
    > stuff deleted..
    >
    > > >>
    > > >
    > > > According to the following article, there are some 1200 desalination
    > > > plants in the U.S, with many more in the works.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > ______________-
    > > And how many of these desalination pants will it take to supply enough
    > > potable water for cities like New York or Los Angeles? What about the
    > > large cities that are not adjacent to the oceans? What about the Southern
    > > California Valleys where the need for irrigation water is staggering. Have
    > > you considered the power required to desalinate a million gallons of sea
    > > water? Every few hours, every day of the year? Forever or however long the
    > > US exits as it is known to-day..
    > >
    >
    > Yes, there are serious water issues in the U.S. However,
    > countries with strong economies tend not to suffer from
    > severe and prolonged shortages of resources.
    >

And what if your economy goes down the toilet?

    > A few points:
    >
    > (i) Desalination and other such technologies will improve
    > and become economically feasible in more and more cases.
    >

You hope. This is called jumping off a building hoping somebody
invents an airbag before you land. Airbags don't have to be
impossible, just late.

    > (ii) If there is a water shortage, the price of water will
    > increase, and comsumption will decrease (Unless the gov't
    > interferes too much).

Unless people stop drinking, it won't decrease too much before your
industry starts shutting down.

    >
    > (iii) In the U.S, most water is used for energy or agricultural
    > purposes. Alternative sources of energy can be found. With respect
    > to the Agriculture, special techniques can be used to grow food
    > using less water (Israel uses a lot of them). Also, some
    > water-intensive agriculture may be converted to less water-intensive
    > agriculture.
    >
    > Thus, there is no depression in the works due to water shortages in
    > North America.

Maybe not. But there might be a water shortage in the works due to a
depression.

    >
    > http://www.epa.gov/watrhome/you/chap1.html
    > National patterns of water use indicate that the largest demand for
    > water withdrawals (fresh and saline) is for thermoelectric generation
    > (47 percent), followed by irrigation (34 percent), public supply (9
    > percent), industrial (6 percent), mining (1 percent), livestock (1
    > percent), domestic (1 percent), and commercial uses (1 percent)
    > (Solley et al., 1993). While thermoelectric generation represents the
    > largest demand for fresh and saline withdrawals, irrigation represents
    > the largest demand for freshwater withdrawal alone (see Figure 1 at
    > right). Activities that reduce the need to withdraw surface and ground
    > water will lead to many of the beneficial effects of conserving water.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > > __________________
    > > > http://washingtontimes.com/upi-break...2143-4161r.htm
    > > >
    > > > Thus, there will be no large scale water shortages in the U.S.
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >> The great 'American Dream' is about to become the 'Great Nightmare' in
    > > >> the>> next decade.
    > > >>
    > > >
    > > > These predictions about the 'American Dream' dying have been around for
    > > > decades. Yet, the American (And Canadian) standard of living have been
    > > > improving decade after decade.
    > > >
    > > >> Better they stay home and fix their own problems rather than running
    > > >> around
    > > >> the world telling everyone else how to live their lives.
    > > >>
    > > >> Ben Laden said it best: "I can now bankrupt the US by just doing
    > > >> nothing."

SAP BASIS Consultant

[email protected] (Siobhan Medeiros) wrote in message news:<[email protected]. com>...
    > [email protected] (SAP BASIS Consultant) wrote in message news:<[email protected] om>...
    > > "My side" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<9xcpd.315429$Pl.67234@pd7tw1no>...
    > > > "SAP BASIS Consultant" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > news:[email protected] om...
    > > > > "My side" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > > news:<qyWod.321290$%k.256095@pd7tw2no>...
    > > > >> "Dermot Donovan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > >> news:[email protected] ink.net...
    > > > >> > "Gactimus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > > >> > news:1101271280.CexyTf48aLDcdG6XB1MZSg@bubbanews.. .
    >
    > > > >> >
    > > > >> > DD
    > > > >> >_________
    > >
    > > stuff deleted..
    > >
    > > > >>
    > > > >
    > > > > According to the following article, there are some 1200 desalination
    > > > > plants in the U.S, with many more in the works.
    > > >

Stuff deleted..
    > > >
    > >
    > > Yes, there are serious water issues in the U.S. However,
    > > countries with strong economies tend not to suffer from
    > > severe and prolonged shortages of resources.
    > >
    >
    > And what if your economy goes down the toilet?
    >

Barring a major terrorist attack, there is no reason for the
Canadian, American or most European economies to go into
depression. Enough is known about economics to avoid one.

    > > A few points:
    > >
    > > (i) Desalination and other such technologies will improve
    > > and become economically feasible in more and more cases.
    > >
    >
    > You hope. This is called jumping off a building hoping somebody
    > invents an airbag before you land. Airbags don't have to be
    > impossible, just late.
    >

Technologies improve and become more and more feasible. The
question is the speed with which this happens. Perhaps
desalination will only prove moderately more feasible in 10
or 20 years.

That is why I brought up the fact that most water is used for
energy, industrial and agricultural purposes, and that less water
intensive options can be substituted if water becomes scarcer,
and more expensive.


    > > (ii) If there is a water shortage, the price of water will
    > > increase, and comsumption will decrease (Unless the gov't
    > > interferes too much).
    >
    > Unless people stop drinking, it won't decrease too much before your
    > industry starts shutting down.
    >

Some industries may shut down. It happens all of the time. Other
less water intensive industries will be substituted. Peoples'
standard of living will increase most of the time. Such is the
nature of capitalism.

    > >
    > > (iii) In the U.S, most water is used for energy or agricultural
    > > purposes. Alternative sources of energy can be found. With respect
    > > to the Agriculture, special techniques can be used to grow food
    > > using less water (Israel uses a lot of them). Also, some
    > > water-intensive agriculture may be converted to less water-intensive
    > > agriculture.
    > >
    > > Thus, there is no depression in the works due to water shortages in
    > > North America.
    >
    > Maybe not. But there might be a water shortage in the works due to a
    > depression.
    >
    > >
    > > http://www.epa.gov/watrhome/you/chap1.html
    > > National patterns of water use indicate that the largest demand for
    > > water withdrawals (fresh and saline) is for thermoelectric generation
    > > (47 percent), followed by irrigation (34 percent), public supply (9
    > > percent), industrial (6 percent), mining (1 percent), livestock (1
    > > percent), domestic (1 percent), and commercial uses (1 percent)
    > > (Solley et al., 1993). While thermoelectric generation represents the
    > > largest demand for fresh and saline withdrawals, irrigation represents
    > > the largest demand for freshwater withdrawal alone (see Figure 1 at
    > > right). Activities that reduce the need to withdraw surface and ground
    > > water will lead to many of the beneficial effects of conserving water.
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > > > __________________
    > > > > http://washingtontimes.com/upi-break...2143-4161r.htm
    > > > >
    > > > > Thus, there will be no large scale water shortages in the U.S.
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > >> The great 'American Dream' is about to become the 'Great Nightmare' in
    > > > >> the>> next decade.
    > > > >>
    > > > >
    > > > > These predictions about the 'American Dream' dying have been around for
    > > > > decades. Yet, the American (And Canadian) standard of living have been
    > > > > improving decade after decade.
    > > > >
    > > > >> Better they stay home and fix their own problems rather than running
    > > > >> around
    > > > >> the world telling everyone else how to live their lives.
    > > > >>
    > > > >> Ben Laden said it best: "I can now bankrupt the US by just doing
    > > > >> nothing."

nitram

On 27 Nov 2004 05:04:36 -0800, [email protected] (SAP BASIS
Consultant) wrote:

    >[email protected] (Siobhan Medeiros) wrote in message news:<[email protected]. com>...
    >> [email protected] (SAP BASIS Consultant) wrote in message news:<[email protected] om>...
    >> > "My side" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<9xcpd.315429$Pl.67234@pd7tw1no>...
    >> > > "SAP BASIS Consultant" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> > > news:[email protected] om...
    >> > > > "My side" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> > > > news:<qyWod.321290$%k.256095@pd7tw2no>...
    >> > > >> "Dermot Donovan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> > > >> news:[email protected] ink.net...
    >> > > >> > "Gactimus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> > > >> > news:1101271280.CexyTf48aLDcdG6XB1MZSg@bubbanews.. .
    >>
    >> > > >> >
    >> > > >> > DD
    >> > > >> >_________
    >> >
    >> > stuff deleted..
    >> >
    >> > > >>
    >> > > >
    >> > > > According to the following article, there are some 1200 desalination
    >> > > > plants in the U.S, with many more in the works.
    >> > >
    >
    >Stuff deleted..
    >> > >
    >> >
    >> > Yes, there are serious water issues in the U.S. However,
    >> > countries with strong economies tend not to suffer from
    >> > severe and prolonged shortages of resources.
    >> >
    >>
    >> And what if your economy goes down the toilet?
    >>
    >Barring a major terrorist attack, there is no reason for the
    >Canadian, American or most European economies to go into
    >depression. Enough is known about economics to avoid one.

If depression is defined as negative growth at least two European
countries are already in depression
--
Martin

Mel

On 26 Nov 2004 22:45:21 -0800, [email protected] (Siobhan Medeiros) wrote in
message <[email protected] >:
    >And what if your economy goes down the toilet?

what if it climbs out of the toilet, puts on a suit and tie and makes you
redundant?

    >This is called jumping off a building hoping somebody
    >invents an airbag before you land.

people don't do that. they always have a sandwhich first.

    >Airbags don't have to be impossible, just late.

my airbags are never late. they're always there when i need them.

    >Unless people stop drinking, it won't decrease too much before your
    >industry starts shutting down.

flies spread disease btw.

    >But there might be a water shortage in the works due to a
    >depression.

not a problem. we've got drugs to fix depression.

--
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