Montesquiou

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3942133.stm

TOURISTS' TOP TEN:
France - 75m
Spain - 52.3m
USA - 40.4m
Italy - 39.6m
China - 33m
UK - 24.8m
Austria - 19.1m
Mexico - 18.7 m
Germany - 18.4m
Canada - 17.5m


What do you think about ?
What is a Tourist ?
Some one crossing France from UK, Italy, Germany, in direction of Spain, is
a tourist for France, or for Spain, or both ?
Some one going from UK to Italy (or Spain) use to visit France ?

Elaine

"Montesquiou" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3942133.stm
    > TOURISTS' TOP TEN:
    > France - 75m
    > Spain - 52.3m
    > USA - 40.4m
    > Italy - 39.6m
    > China - 33m
    > UK - 24.8m
    > Austria - 19.1m
    > Mexico - 18.7 m
    > Germany - 18.4m
    > Canada - 17.5m
    > What do you think about ?
    > What is a Tourist ?
    > Some one crossing France from UK, Italy, Germany, in direction of Spain,
is
    > a tourist for France, or for Spain, or both ?
    > Some one going from UK to Italy (or Spain) use to visit France ?

Interesting question. If you look at the WTO website, which is the source
of the BBC's figures -

http://www.world-tourism.org/newsroo.../june/data.htm

their heading for the above top 10 table is "International Tourist
Arrivals", so I would imagine that it's based on the number of people
entering each country, regardless of how long they are staying there. I
should think that France's figures must be heavily skewed by the huge number
of people from the UK who just hop across to Calais for a few hours to stock
up on cheap booze and fags.

If you compare the number of arrivals with the amount of money spent in each
country, France is only in third place behind the USA and Spain. Also
Mexico and Canada, which both appear in the top 10 for number of visitors,
are replaced in the "money spent" table by Turkey and Greece.

Elaine

Keith Willshaw

"Elaine" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "Montesquiou" <[email protected]> wrote in message

    > http://www.world-tourism.org/newsroo.../june/data.htm
    > their heading for the above top 10 table is "International Tourist
    > Arrivals", so I would imagine that it's based on the number of people
    > entering each country, regardless of how long they are staying there. I
    > should think that France's figures must be heavily skewed by the huge
number
    > of people from the UK who just hop across to Calais for a few hours to
stock
    > up on cheap booze and fags.

And by those who pass through France on the way to somewhere
else. I doubtless appear in those figures as I drove through France
to get to Switzerland and Italy.

Keith

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    > What is a tourist ?

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Olivers

Keith Willshaw extrapolated from data available...


    >
    > And by those who pass through France on the way to somewhere
    > else. I doubtless appear in those figures as I drove through France
    > to get to Switzerland and Italy.
    >



....and was counted again as you reenteted when driving back. One can't
trust governments or "Chambers of Commerce" too much when it comes to
statistics.

TMO

Montesquiou

"Olivers" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
news:[email protected]...
    > Keith Willshaw extrapolated from data available...
    > >>
    > >
    > > And by those who pass through France on the way to somewhere
    > > else. I doubtless appear in those figures as I drove through France
    > > to get to Switzerland and Italy.
    > >
    > ....and was counted again as you reenteted when driving back. One can't
    > trust governments or "Chambers of Commerce" too much when it comes to
    > statistics.
    > TMO

I wonder the way it is done .............

I believe it is easy to do if you go to France by airplane but as there is
no borders anymore, try to cross from Germany to France by car : No one will
note if your car comes from Germany nor how many you are.

Some one need to explain it to me.

Tim

"Keith Willshaw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > "Elaine" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > "Montesquiou" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >
    > > http://www.world-tourism.org/newsroo.../june/data.htm
    > >
    > > their heading for the above top 10 table is "International Tourist
    > > Arrivals", so I would imagine that it's based on the number of people
    > > entering each country, regardless of how long they are staying there. I
    > > should think that France's figures must be heavily skewed by the huge
    > number
    > > of people from the UK who just hop across to Calais for a few hours to
    > stock
    > > up on cheap booze and fags.
    > >
    > And by those who pass through France on the way to somewhere
    > else. I doubtless appear in those figures as I drove through France
    > to get to Switzerland and Italy.

No doubt one of France's advantages is that it has lots of
both popular summer and winter resorts, None of the other
countries really have this

tim

Go Fig

In article <[email protected]>, tim
<[email protected]> wrote:

    > "Keith Willshaw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]...
    > >
    > > "Elaine" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > > news:[email protected]...
    > > > "Montesquiou" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >
    > > >
    > > > http://www.world-tourism.org/newsroo.../june/data.htm
    > > >
    > > > their heading for the above top 10 table is "International Tourist
    > > > Arrivals", so I would imagine that it's based on the number of people
    > > > entering each country, regardless of how long they are staying there. I
    > > > should think that France's figures must be heavily skewed by the huge
    > > number
    > > > of people from the UK who just hop across to Calais for a few hours to
    > > stock
    > > > up on cheap booze and fags.
    > > >
    > >
    > > And by those who pass through France on the way to somewhere
    > > else. I doubtless appear in those figures as I drove through France
    > > to get to Switzerland and Italy.
    >
    > No doubt one of France's advantages is that it has lots of
    > both popular summer and winter resorts, None of the other
    > countries really have this

Italy trumps France in term of both winter and summer resorts, much
better skiing in Italy IMHO.

jay
Sun Aug 01, 2004
mailto:[email protected]

    >
    > tim
    > >
    >

Tim Challenger

On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 13:01:29 -0700, Go Fig wrote:

    > In article <[email protected]>, tim
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> "Keith Willshaw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >>> "Elaine" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>> news:[email protected]...
    >>> > "Montesquiou" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>> >
    >>> > http://www.world-tourism.org/newsroo.../june/data.htm
    >>> >
    >>> > their heading for the above top 10 table is "International Tourist
    >>> > Arrivals", so I would imagine that it's based on the number of people
    >>> > entering each country, regardless of how long they are staying there. I
    >>> > should think that France's figures must be heavily skewed by the huge
    >>> number
    >>> > of people from the UK who just hop across to Calais for a few hours to
    >>> stock
    >>> > up on cheap booze and fags.
    >>> >
    >>> And by those who pass through France on the way to somewhere
    >>> else. I doubtless appear in those figures as I drove through France
    >>> to get to Switzerland and Italy.
    >>
    >> No doubt one of France's advantages is that it has lots of
    >> both popular summer and winter resorts, None of the other
    >> countries really have this
    >
    > Italy trumps France in term of both winter and summer resorts, much
    > better skiing in Italy IMHO.

You don't rate the skiing from Chamonix then?
--
Tim C.

The Reids

Following up to tim

    >No doubt one of France's advantages is that it has lots of
    >both popular summer and winter resorts, None of the other
    >countries really have this

How about coast near the Sierra Nevada, I understand at times you
can ski in the morning and swim in the afternoon, although I have
never tried.
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LordAvalon

Un exemple de statistiques sur la côte d'Azur:
http://www.touriscope.com/html/frame_f.html

I guess the overall figures are the compilation of various stats shown
in the above mentionned link... That is from the hotel occupancy,
visits in museum and the like... Must be a tough job!


"Montesquiou" <xxx@nn> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > "Olivers" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de
    > news:[email protected]...
    > > Keith Willshaw extrapolated from data available...
    > >
    > >
    > > >>
    > > >
    > > > And by those who pass through France on the way to somewhere
    > > > else. I doubtless appear in those figures as I drove through France
    > > > to get to Switzerland and Italy.
    > > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > ....and was counted again as you reenteted when driving back. One can't
    > > trust governments or "Chambers of Commerce" too much when it comes to
    > > statistics.
    > >
    > > TMO
    >
    > I wonder the way it is done .............
    >
    > I believe it is easy to do if you go to France by airplane but as there is
    > no borders anymore, try to cross from Germany to France by car : No one will
    > note if your car comes from Germany nor how many you are.
    >
    > Some one need to explain it to me.

Go Fig

In article <[email protected]> , Tim
Challenger <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 13:01:29 -0700, Go Fig wrote:
    >
    > > In article <[email protected]>, tim
    > > <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >> "Keith Willshaw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >> news:[email protected]...
    > >>>
    > >>> "Elaine" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >>> news:[email protected]...
    > >>> > "Montesquiou" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >>>
    > >>> >
    > >>> > http://www.world-tourism.org/newsroo.../june/data.htm
    > >>> >
    > >>> > their heading for the above top 10 table is "International Tourist
    > >>> > Arrivals", so I would imagine that it's based on the number of people
    > >>> > entering each country, regardless of how long they are staying there. I
    > >>> > should think that France's figures must be heavily skewed by the huge
    > >>> number
    > >>> > of people from the UK who just hop across to Calais for a few hours to
    > >>> stock
    > >>> > up on cheap booze and fags.
    > >>> >
    > >>>
    > >>> And by those who pass through France on the way to somewhere
    > >>> else. I doubtless appear in those figures as I drove through France
    > >>> to get to Switzerland and Italy.
    > >>
    > >> No doubt one of France's advantages is that it has lots of
    > >> both popular summer and winter resorts, None of the other
    > >> countries really have this
    > >
    > > Italy trumps France in term of both winter and summer resorts, much
    > > better skiing in Italy IMHO.
    >
    > You don't rate the skiing from Chamonix then?


Sure, its a world class resort, but its just a single resort. In fact,
not a great choice for an average skier either as it has a high % of
difficult trails.

Italy is also on the sunny side of the Alps.

jay
Mon Aug 02, 2004
mailto:[email protected]

Tim Challenger

On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 05:41:22 -0700, Go Fig wrote:

    > In article <[email protected]> , Tim
    > Challenger <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 13:01:29 -0700, Go Fig wrote:
    >>
    >>> In article <[email protected]>, tim
    >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> "Keith Willshaw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>> news:[email protected]...
    >>>>> "Elaine" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>>> news:[email protected]...
    >>>>> > "Montesquiou" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>>> >
    >>>>> > http://www.world-tourism.org/newsroo.../june/data.htm
    >>>>> >
    >>>>> > their heading for the above top 10 table is "International Tourist
    >>>>> > Arrivals", so I would imagine that it's based on the number of people
    >>>>> > entering each country, regardless of how long they are staying there. I
    >>>>> > should think that France's figures must be heavily skewed by the huge
    >>>>> number
    >>>>> > of people from the UK who just hop across to Calais for a few hours to
    >>>>> stock
    >>>>> > up on cheap booze and fags.
    >>>>> >
    >>>>> And by those who pass through France on the way to somewhere
    >>>>> else. I doubtless appear in those figures as I drove through France
    >>>>> to get to Switzerland and Italy.
    >>>>
    >>>> No doubt one of France's advantages is that it has lots of
    >>>> both popular summer and winter resorts, None of the other
    >>>> countries really have this
    >>>
    >>> Italy trumps France in term of both winter and summer resorts, much
    >>> better skiing in Italy IMHO.
    >>
    >> You don't rate the skiing from Chamonix then?
    >
    > Sure, its a world class resort, but its just a single resort. In fact,
    > not a great choice for an average skier either as it has a high % of
    > difficult trails.

If you're an average skier.
I suppose it depends on how you define "better skiing".

    > Italy is also on the sunny side of the Alps.
Good point.
And the beer's cheaper. And better.

--
Tim C.

Tim Challenger

On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 10:56:02 +0100, The Reids wrote:

    > Following up to tim
    >
    >>No doubt one of France's advantages is that it has lots of
    >>both popular summer and winter resorts, None of the other
    >>countries really have this
    >
    > How about coast near the Sierra Nevada, I understand at times you
    > can ski in the morning and swim in the afternoon, although I have
    > never tried.

Isola 2000 you can do the same thing, but the water's cold in Winter.
--
Tim C.

The Reids

Following up to Tim Challenger

    >> How about coast near the Sierra Nevada, I understand at times you
    >> can ski in the morning and swim in the afternoon, although I have
    >> never tried.
    >Isola 2000 you can do the same thing, but the water's cold in Winter.

Is the place actually called Isola 2000? Sounds full of character
    :-)
--
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