What are the better UK newspapers??
Jun 9th 2005, 8:02 am
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Re: What are the better UK newspapers??
On 2005-06-09 21:37:51 +0200, Deep Foiled Malls
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> said:
> On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 15:27:17 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
> <gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Speaking as a USAin, I like the _Guardian_ and the _Independent_...
>
> The Guardian is about as hard left as credible reporting comes. So
> hard left it's virtually fantasy.
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<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> said:
> On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 15:27:17 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
> <gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Speaking as a USAin, I like the _Guardian_ and the _Independent_...
>
> The Guardian is about as hard left as credible reporting comes. So
> hard left it's virtually fantasy.
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Jun 9th 2005, 8:08 am
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Re: What are the better UK newspapers??
In article <BECE28F7.6A510%[email protected]>,
Earl Evleth <[email protected]> wrote:
> The following item indicates that the UK newspapers are
> now doing a better job than the now terrorized American press.
>
> But what are the "good" UK newspapers? Which ones do
> our UK readers recommend? Are they usually available
> on the continent??
I;d say Independent independent.co.uk and the Guardian (guardian.co.uk)
and its Sunday sister, the Observer (links from the Guardian site)
There's always the Sun too (and strangely, its stable mate,
theTimes.co.uk )
Earl Evleth <[email protected]> wrote:
> The following item indicates that the UK newspapers are
> now doing a better job than the now terrorized American press.
>
> But what are the "good" UK newspapers? Which ones do
> our UK readers recommend? Are they usually available
> on the continent??
I;d say Independent independent.co.uk and the Guardian (guardian.co.uk)
and its Sunday sister, the Observer (links from the Guardian site)
There's always the Sun too (and strangely, its stable mate,
theTimes.co.uk )
Jun 9th 2005, 8:34 am
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Re: What are the better UK newspapers??
"Mike O'Sullivan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Now called The Guardian, and no longer published in Manchester.
I think you'll find it's published in London and Manchester.
Alan Harrison
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> Now called The Guardian, and no longer published in Manchester.
I think you'll find it's published in London and Manchester.
Alan Harrison
Jun 9th 2005, 8:36 am
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Re: What are the better UK newspapers??
"Deep Foiled Malls" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote in
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> The Guardian is about as hard left as credible reporting comes. So
> hard left it's virtually fantasy.
Duhh??? Vapidly liberal at most, and not even Liberal with a big L. Look at
the way the former editor, Peter Preston, acted as a copper's nark and
landed one of his own sources in jail.
Alan Harrison
message news:[email protected]...
> The Guardian is about as hard left as credible reporting comes. So
> hard left it's virtually fantasy.
Duhh??? Vapidly liberal at most, and not even Liberal with a big L. Look at
the way the former editor, Peter Preston, acted as a copper's nark and
landed one of his own sources in jail.
Alan Harrison
Jun 9th 2005, 8:39 am
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Re: What are the better UK newspapers??
On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 21:39:03 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 19:37:51 GMT, Deep Foiled Malls
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 15:27:17 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
>><gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@ea rthlink.net> wrote:
>>>Speaking as a USAin, I like the _Guardian_ and the _Independent_...
>>The Guardian is about as hard left as credible reporting comes. So
>>hard left it's virtually fantasy.
>For example ...
Just look at some of the stuff they have said about renewable energy
(search for it on their site)... utter bullshit if ever I've read it.
Their view is one of never giving an inch to the right (or never
giving an inch to anything American) which is something that pisses me
off. Defining oneself in terms of left and right is simplistic and
foolish, and that's what the Guardian does constantly to appease its
readers.
The BBC has better balance from my point of view. They will lean to
the left, but they wont fall over.
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>On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 19:37:51 GMT, Deep Foiled Malls
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 15:27:17 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
>><gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@ea rthlink.net> wrote:
>>>Speaking as a USAin, I like the _Guardian_ and the _Independent_...
>>The Guardian is about as hard left as credible reporting comes. So
>>hard left it's virtually fantasy.
>For example ...
Just look at some of the stuff they have said about renewable energy
(search for it on their site)... utter bullshit if ever I've read it.
Their view is one of never giving an inch to the right (or never
giving an inch to anything American) which is something that pisses me
off. Defining oneself in terms of left and right is simplistic and
foolish, and that's what the Guardian does constantly to appease its
readers.
The BBC has better balance from my point of view. They will lean to
the left, but they wont fall over.
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Jun 9th 2005, 8:47 am
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Re: What are the better UK newspapers??
On 2005-06-09 22:39:37 +0200, Deep Foiled Malls
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> said:
> On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 21:39:03 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 19:37:51 GMT, Deep Foiled Malls
>> <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 15:27:17 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
>>> <gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Speaking as a USAin, I like the _Guardian_ and the _Independent_...
>>>
>>> The Guardian is about as hard left as credible reporting comes. So
>>> hard left it's virtually fantasy.
>>
>> For example ...
>
> Just look at some of the stuff they have said about renewable energy
> (search for it on their site)... utter bullshit if ever I've read it.
For example ...
> Their view is one of never giving an inch to the right (or never
> giving an inch to anything American) which is something that pisses me
> off.
So - would it be better to say that some things which are wrong are, in
fact, right, just to be "balanced"?
> Defining oneself in terms of left and right is simplistic and
> foolish, and that's what the Guardian does constantly to appease its
> readers.
You're the one throwing "right" and "left" labels around here.
> The BBC has better balance from my point of view. They will lean to
> the left, but they wont fall over.
The BBC is simply pro-government, whatever the government happens to be.
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<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> said:
> On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 21:39:03 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 19:37:51 GMT, Deep Foiled Malls
>> <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 15:27:17 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
>>> <gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Speaking as a USAin, I like the _Guardian_ and the _Independent_...
>>>
>>> The Guardian is about as hard left as credible reporting comes. So
>>> hard left it's virtually fantasy.
>>
>> For example ...
>
> Just look at some of the stuff they have said about renewable energy
> (search for it on their site)... utter bullshit if ever I've read it.
For example ...
> Their view is one of never giving an inch to the right (or never
> giving an inch to anything American) which is something that pisses me
> off.
So - would it be better to say that some things which are wrong are, in
fact, right, just to be "balanced"?
> Defining oneself in terms of left and right is simplistic and
> foolish, and that's what the Guardian does constantly to appease its
> readers.
You're the one throwing "right" and "left" labels around here.
> The BBC has better balance from my point of view. They will lean to
> the left, but they wont fall over.
The BBC is simply pro-government, whatever the government happens to be.
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Jun 9th 2005, 9:10 am
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Re: What are the better UK newspapers??
On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 13:20:02 -0500, "Stephen Ellenson"
<[email protected]> wrote:
>It may be a broadening experience for Americans to read non-American
>newspapers while travelling. I hope you will find that many of us
>"underexposed" Americans may access the BBC, Le Monde, NY Times, etc.
>without going abroard. Although the experience of going abroad to do so is a
>much nicer experience. Everyone, not just yanks, should explore the press of
>other nations.
http://newslink.org/ has a pretty good listing of online newspapers
from around the world, although there are a number of broken links.
If someone has found a better index, please post it.
Gordon
<[email protected]> wrote:
>It may be a broadening experience for Americans to read non-American
>newspapers while travelling. I hope you will find that many of us
>"underexposed" Americans may access the BBC, Le Monde, NY Times, etc.
>without going abroard. Although the experience of going abroad to do so is a
>much nicer experience. Everyone, not just yanks, should explore the press of
>other nations.
http://newslink.org/ has a pretty good listing of online newspapers
from around the world, although there are a number of broken links.
If someone has found a better index, please post it.
Gordon
Jun 9th 2005, 10:04 am
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I likes the Sun, Sunday Sport and the the Star cos they tell us about
reel life here in the UK. You know about who is shagging who, who is
the biggest moron in big bruther and wot footballer is shagging wot
bimbo this week. Also I luvs the deep and perceptive anaysis of soaps
where everybody is in crisis and can't cope with life and is denial
that they have cogent thoughts about the theory of relativity but dare
no speak about a love that has no name. Also I luvs to see the big
tits.
Thanks.
reel life here in the UK. You know about who is shagging who, who is
the biggest moron in big bruther and wot footballer is shagging wot
bimbo this week. Also I luvs the deep and perceptive anaysis of soaps
where everybody is in crisis and can't cope with life and is denial
that they have cogent thoughts about the theory of relativity but dare
no speak about a love that has no name. Also I luvs to see the big
tits.
Thanks.
Jun 9th 2005, 10:22 am
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"ALAN HARRISON" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Mike O'Sullivan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Now called The Guardian, and no longer published in Manchester.
> I think you'll find it's published in London and Manchester.
It is published in London and printed in London and Manchester.
JohnT
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> "Mike O'Sullivan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Now called The Guardian, and no longer published in Manchester.
> I think you'll find it's published in London and Manchester.
It is published in London and printed in London and Manchester.
JohnT
Jun 9th 2005, 11:14 am
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JohnT wrote:
> "ALAN HARRISON" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>"Mike O'Sullivan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>>Now called The Guardian, and no longer published in Manchester.
>>I think you'll find it's published in London and Manchester.
>
>
> It is published in London and printed in London and Manchester.
Correct!
> "ALAN HARRISON" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>"Mike O'Sullivan" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>>Now called The Guardian, and no longer published in Manchester.
>>I think you'll find it's published in London and Manchester.
>
>
> It is published in London and printed in London and Manchester.
Correct!
Jun 9th 2005, 1:04 pm
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In article <BECE28F7.6A510%[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> Being exposed to a different English language press
> is possibly a broadening experience for traveling
> Americans.
Yes. One of the things that strikes this American as different from the
US is that UK papers tend to make little pretense of separating their
straight reporting from their editorial stance. It's fairly reliable
that the Daily Mail's reporting will take a right-wing slant, the
Guardian will be anti-US/anti-Israel, and so on. One could argue
endlessly whether it's better for news media to at least try to be
objective or simply to be up-front with their prejudices. Just a
different way of approaching things I guess.
There are some US papers that more freely mix reporting with their
editorial views but by an large this is an indication that the paper
isn't a "serious" news medium (e.g., New York Post, Washington Times).
> Being exposed to a different English language press
> is possibly a broadening experience for traveling
> Americans.
Yes. One of the things that strikes this American as different from the
US is that UK papers tend to make little pretense of separating their
straight reporting from their editorial stance. It's fairly reliable
that the Daily Mail's reporting will take a right-wing slant, the
Guardian will be anti-US/anti-Israel, and so on. One could argue
endlessly whether it's better for news media to at least try to be
objective or simply to be up-front with their prejudices. Just a
different way of approaching things I guess.
There are some US papers that more freely mix reporting with their
editorial views but by an large this is an indication that the paper
isn't a "serious" news medium (e.g., New York Post, Washington Times).
Jun 9th 2005, 2:17 pm
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In article <BECE429B.6A53C%[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
> I like it because it does analysis and it seems to this American
> reader that it does it better than the corresponding American
> weekly publication. I would like to get some other American
> opinion on that, what do they prefer in the American press?
> Do they read the Economist?
What would you consider "the corresponding American weekly publication"?
The Economist isn't really a mass-market publication in the same way as
Time or Newsweek. I can't think of an American publication that The
Economist would equate to.
I've occasionally read the Economist but never subscribed, partly
because it's quite expensive compared with most weekly magazines.
(Maybe that just goes to show that you get what you pay for...)
> I like it because it does analysis and it seems to this American
> reader that it does it better than the corresponding American
> weekly publication. I would like to get some other American
> opinion on that, what do they prefer in the American press?
> Do they read the Economist?
What would you consider "the corresponding American weekly publication"?
The Economist isn't really a mass-market publication in the same way as
Time or Newsweek. I can't think of an American publication that The
Economist would equate to.
I've occasionally read the Economist but never subscribed, partly
because it's quite expensive compared with most weekly magazines.
(Maybe that just goes to show that you get what you pay for...)
Jun 9th 2005, 3:11 pm
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In article <[email protected]>, Gordon Forbess
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 13:20:02 -0500, "Stephen Ellenson"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >It may be a broadening experience for Americans to read non-American
> >newspapers while travelling. I hope you will find that many of us
> >"underexposed" Americans may access the BBC, Le Monde, NY Times, etc.
> >without going abroard. Although the experience of going abroad to do so is a
> >much nicer experience. Everyone, not just yanks, should explore the press of
> >other nations.
>
> http://newslink.org/ has a pretty good listing of online newspapers
> from around the world, although there are a number of broken links.
> If someone has found a better index, please post it.
>
> Gordon
>
This one is reasonably good, I have used it for years;
http://www.onlinenewspapers.com/
jay
Thu Jun 09, 2005
mailto:[email protected]
<[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 13:20:02 -0500, "Stephen Ellenson"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >It may be a broadening experience for Americans to read non-American
> >newspapers while travelling. I hope you will find that many of us
> >"underexposed" Americans may access the BBC, Le Monde, NY Times, etc.
> >without going abroard. Although the experience of going abroad to do so is a
> >much nicer experience. Everyone, not just yanks, should explore the press of
> >other nations.
>
> http://newslink.org/ has a pretty good listing of online newspapers
> from around the world, although there are a number of broken links.
> If someone has found a better index, please post it.
>
> Gordon
>
This one is reasonably good, I have used it for years;
http://www.onlinenewspapers.com/
jay
Thu Jun 09, 2005
mailto:[email protected]
Jun 9th 2005, 5:39 pm
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On 2005-06-10 03:04:21 +0200, Charles Hawtrey <[email protected]> said:
> In article <BECE28F7.6A510%[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
>> Being exposed to a different English language press
>> is possibly a broadening experience for traveling
>> Americans.
>
> Yes. One of the things that strikes this American as different from
> the US is that UK papers tend to make little pretense of separating
> their straight reporting from their editorial stance. It's fairly
> reliable that the Daily Mail's reporting will take a right-wing slant,
> the Guardian will be anti-US/anti-Israel, and so on. One could argue
> endlessly whether it's better for news media to at least try to be
> objective or simply to be up-front with their prejudices. Just a
> different way of approaching things I guess.
>
> There are some US papers that more freely mix reporting with their
> editorial views but by an large this is an indication that the paper
> isn't a "serious" news medium (e.g., New York Post, Washington Times).
Even if that were the case, it is still an editorial decision what
stories to report, and what prominence to give them in the paper.
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> In article <BECE28F7.6A510%[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
>
>> Being exposed to a different English language press
>> is possibly a broadening experience for traveling
>> Americans.
>
> Yes. One of the things that strikes this American as different from
> the US is that UK papers tend to make little pretense of separating
> their straight reporting from their editorial stance. It's fairly
> reliable that the Daily Mail's reporting will take a right-wing slant,
> the Guardian will be anti-US/anti-Israel, and so on. One could argue
> endlessly whether it's better for news media to at least try to be
> objective or simply to be up-front with their prejudices. Just a
> different way of approaching things I guess.
>
> There are some US papers that more freely mix reporting with their
> editorial views but by an large this is an indication that the paper
> isn't a "serious" news medium (e.g., New York Post, Washington Times).
Even if that were the case, it is still an editorial decision what
stories to report, and what prominence to give them in the paper.
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Jun 9th 2005, 6:40 pm
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On Thu, 9 Jun 2005 22:47:10 +0200, The Rev Gaston <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On 2005-06-09 22:39:37 +0200, Deep Foiled Malls
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> said:
>> On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 21:39:03 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 19:37:51 GMT, Deep Foiled Malls
>>> <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 15:27:17 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
>>>> <gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Speaking as a USAin, I like the _Guardian_ and the _Independent_...
>>>>
>>>> The Guardian is about as hard left as credible reporting comes. So
>>>> hard left it's virtually fantasy.
>>>
>>> For example ...
>>
>> Just look at some of the stuff they have said about renewable energy
>> (search for it on their site)... utter bullshit if ever I've read it.
>For example ...
I can't find the article at the moment. Might have a look later when I
have more time...
>> Their view is one of never giving an inch to the right (or never
>> giving an inch to anything American) which is something that pisses me
>> off.
>So - would it be better to say that some things which are wrong are, in
>fact, right, just to be "balanced"?
Yes, of course.
>> Defining oneself in terms of left and right is simplistic and
>> foolish, and that's what the Guardian does constantly to appease its
>> readers.
>You're the one throwing "right" and "left" labels around here.
And you just called them labels, which is not what I said.
>> The BBC has better balance from my point of view. They will lean to
>> the left, but they wont fall over.
>The BBC is simply pro-government, whatever the government happens to be.
When the government was pro-war, was the BBC pro-government?
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>On 2005-06-09 22:39:37 +0200, Deep Foiled Malls
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> said:
>> On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 21:39:03 +0200, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 19:37:51 GMT, Deep Foiled Malls
>>> <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 15:27:17 GMT, "Gregory Morrow"
>>>> <gregorymorrowEMERGENCYCANCELLATIONARCHIMEDES@eart hlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Speaking as a USAin, I like the _Guardian_ and the _Independent_...
>>>>
>>>> The Guardian is about as hard left as credible reporting comes. So
>>>> hard left it's virtually fantasy.
>>>
>>> For example ...
>>
>> Just look at some of the stuff they have said about renewable energy
>> (search for it on their site)... utter bullshit if ever I've read it.
>For example ...
I can't find the article at the moment. Might have a look later when I
have more time...
>> Their view is one of never giving an inch to the right (or never
>> giving an inch to anything American) which is something that pisses me
>> off.
>So - would it be better to say that some things which are wrong are, in
>fact, right, just to be "balanced"?
Yes, of course.
>> Defining oneself in terms of left and right is simplistic and
>> foolish, and that's what the Guardian does constantly to appease its
>> readers.
>You're the one throwing "right" and "left" labels around here.
And you just called them labels, which is not what I said.
>> The BBC has better balance from my point of view. They will lean to
>> the left, but they wont fall over.
>The BBC is simply pro-government, whatever the government happens to be.
When the government was pro-war, was the BBC pro-government?
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