EvelynVogtGamble

Jeremy Henderson wrote:

    > On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 12:28:38 +0200, Jeremy Henderson wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Of course they don't have that problem because people don't have holidays[*]
    >
    >
    > Doohhh!!! - that should read:
    >
    > Of course in the US they don't have that problem because people don't have
    > holidays[*]

Or much in the way of "vacations", either! (Not if you compare our
measly two weeks with most of Europe.)

    >

EvelynVogtGamble

David Horne wrote:

    > Jeremy Henderson <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 15:39:01 +0100, David Horne wrote:
    >
    > []
    >
    >>>Most of them do take their holidays in July and August though- that's
    >>>why it's _peak_ season, after all.
    >>Well, I think it's unbelievably stupid, and typically French, for most
    >>people to take their holidays at the very time when most people are taking
    >>their holidays.

It's largely an American thing, also (despite some of the posts here).
As someone else pointed out, the overwhelming majority of Americans also
take their vacations in the summer. Those with children are almost
FORCED to do so, if they don't want to take the children out of school
for travel during the school year. (Unless, of course, they choose to
travel without the children.)

Gregory Morrow

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:

    > Gregory Morrow wrote:
    > > Thomas wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > >>Last summer just got too much for me. You know the kind of weather where
    > >
    > > the
    > >
    > >>excertion of just making a cup of tea drenches you in sweat.
    > >>
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > You Yurpeons never heard of *iced* tea...!!!???
    > "Heard of", probably. "Consider drinkable", probably not. :-) It's an
    > acquired taste, even here in the U.S. - especially now it comes in fruit
    > flavors, like raspberry and peach. (Why couldn't they just stick to
    > lemon?)


I make "sun tea" with various flavoured loose teas I get at my corner coffee
place (locally - owned, NOT a chain). One of my faves is a raspberry -
flavoured tea. There are also some good German herbal/fruit teas that make
a nice iced brew. Those commercial teas have waaay too much "gunk" in them,
and I also loathe heavily sweetened tea (frex in the US South, you don't get
a choice, it's always sickenly sugared). I like to sweeten mine with a dash
or two of a Torani Italian fruit syrup (many varieties)...very refreshing
    :-)

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Gregory Morrow

congokid wrote:

    > In message
    > <1ggpf4v.1tpiqw81c5uowiN%this_address_is_for_spam@ yahoo.co.uk>, David
    > Horne <[email protected]> writes
    > > IOW, it's not just a French thing, by any
    > >means.
    > Isle of Wight?


"in other words" ;---)

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Gregory Morrow

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:

    > David Horne wrote:
    > > Jeremy Henderson <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > >>On Fri, 09 Jul 2004 15:39:01 +0100, David Horne wrote:
    > >
    > > []
    > >
    > >>>Most of them do take their holidays in July and August though- that's
    > >>>why it's _peak_ season, after all.
    > >>
    > >>Well, I think it's unbelievably stupid, and typically French, for most
    > >>people to take their holidays at the very time when most people are
taking
    > >>their holidays.
    > It's largely an American thing, also (despite some of the posts here).
    > As someone else pointed out, the overwhelming majority of Americans also
    > take their vacations in the summer. Those with children are almost
    > FORCED to do so, if they don't want to take the children out of school
    > for travel during the school year. (Unless, of course, they choose to
    > travel without the children.)


But don't forget the Christmas holidays and also the traditional "spring
break". Also lots of USAin's take shorter (less than a week) holidays now
all year 'round...like fer instance many did this last long July 4th
weekend.

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Jeremy Henderson

On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 15:51:47 +0200, Mxsmanic wrote:

    > JX Bardant writes:
    >
    >> You can, order it from Internet. I'm sure Jeremy has got some addresses in
    >> UK.
    >
    > Yeah, that makes perfect sense: order ice over the Internet, have DHL
    > deliver it, wait a week to actually get it.

DHL aren't so bad. UPS are good. La Poste are a nightmare. With UPS's
tracking systm at least you know where your parcel is held up*. The
last time I ordered something from GrosbillMicro their tracking system
showed my parcel in their depot for several days afer it had arrived on my
desk.

J;

*Until it gets into our company mail system, at which point all bets are
off and your best chance is to go to the mail room and look for it
yourself.

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EvelynVogtGamble

Gregory Morrow wrote:


    > I make "sun tea" with various flavoured loose teas I get at my corner coffee
    > place (locally - owned, NOT a chain). One of my faves is a raspberry -
    > flavoured tea. There are also some good German herbal/fruit teas that make
    > a nice iced brew. Those commercial teas have waaay too much "gunk" in them,
    > and I also loathe heavily sweetened tea (frex in the US South, you don't get
    > a choice, it's always sickenly sugared). I like to sweeten mine with a dash
    > or two of a Torani Italian fruit syrup (many varieties)...very refreshing
    > :-)

Well, I also make "sun tea" (actually "refrigerator tea", in my case - I
put the tea in a jug of water in the 'fridge and let it steep overnight,
or until it looks the right color). I also favor herb teas for the
process - mint is especially refreshing - and abhor sweetened iced tea.
(Another reason I dislike the "instant" powders.) My method has the
added advantage of making actual ice unnecessary - it's already well
chilled. (I don't mind refrigerated water or "cold" drinks, but
heartily dislike them with ice!)

Mxsmanic

Jeremy Henderson writes:

    > DHL aren't so bad. UPS are good. La Poste are a nightmare. With UPS's
    > tracking systm at least you know where your parcel is held up*.

None of them are any good when they insist on delivering to your
doorstep, even though you are at work every day. By the time you
arrange for them to come out, and they actually show up, a week or more
has gone by. I've had this problem on multiple occasions. They could
have just sent it by parcel post.

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Mxsmanic

Gregory Morrow writes:

    > But don't forget the Christmas holidays and also the traditional "spring
    > break". Also lots of USAin's take shorter (less than a week) holidays now
    > all year 'round...like fer instance many did this last long July 4th
    > weekend.

They only get ten days a year, so they don't have much choice.

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Gregory Morrow

Mxsmanic wrote:

    > Gregory Morrow writes:
    > > But don't forget the Christmas holidays and also the traditional "spring
    > > break". Also lots of USAin's take shorter (less than a week) holidays
now
    > > all year 'round...like fer instance many did this last long July 4th
    > > weekend.
    > They only get ten days a year, so they don't have much choice.


All too true, many don't even get that :-(

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Gregory Morrow

EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:

    > Well, I also make "sun tea" (actually "refrigerator tea", in my case - I
    > put the tea in a jug of water in the 'fridge and let it steep overnight,
    > or until it looks the right color). I also favor herb teas for the
    > process - mint is especially refreshing - and abhor sweetened iced tea.
    > (Another reason I dislike the "instant" powders.) My method has the
    > added advantage of making actual ice unnecessary - it's already well
    > chilled. (I don't mind refrigerated water or "cold" drinks, but
    > heartily dislike them with ice!)


Ya gotta at least have yer Juleps with LOTS of ice, Evelyn...and yes don't
forget the fresh mint ;---)

Speaking of "tea", a popular US alcoholic drink with a "punch" is the "Long
Island Iced Tea" - a concoction that will leave you heaving!

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Greg

Frank F. Matthews

I've never had them insist on delivering to my doorstep. A phone call
will usually get them to hold it at the distribution center.
Fortunately most aren't too far out of my normal paths.

Another option is to have packages delivered to work. They usually just
leave them on my doorstep but when they want a signature or I expect to
be out of town I have them sent to work.

Mxsmanic wrote:

    > Jeremy Henderson writes:

    >>DHL aren't so bad. UPS are good. La Poste are a nightmare. With UPS's
    >>tracking systm at least you know where your parcel is held up*.

    > None of them are any good when they insist on delivering to your
    > doorstep, even though you are at work every day. By the time you
    > arrange for them to come out, and they actually show up, a week or more
    > has gone by. I've had this problem on multiple occasions. They could
    > have just sent it by parcel post.

Frank F. Matthews

Gregory Morrow wrote:

    > EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:

    >>Gregory Morrow wrote:

    >>>Thomas wrote:

    >>>>Last summer just got too much for me. You know the kind of weather where
    >>>>the excertion of just making a cup of tea drenches you in sweat.

    >>>You Yurpeons never heard of *iced* tea...!!!???

    >>"Heard of", probably. "Consider drinkable", probably not. :-) It's an
    >>acquired taste, even here in the U.S. - especially now it comes in fruit
    >> flavors, like raspberry and peach. (Why couldn't they just stick to
    >>lemon?)

    > I make "sun tea" with various flavoured loose teas I get at my corner coffee
    > place (locally - owned, NOT a chain). One of my faves is a raspberry -
    > flavoured tea. There are also some good German herbal/fruit teas that make
    > a nice iced brew. Those commercial teas have waaay too much "gunk" in them,
    > and I also loathe heavily sweetened tea (frex in the US South, you don't get
    > a choice, it's always sickenly sugared). I like to sweeten mine with a dash
    > or two of a Torani Italian fruit syrup (many varieties)...very refreshing

I haven't found many places in the Southeast which won't give you
unsweetened ice tea. Unfortunately the default is often sugared which
can be hard. On occasion I get carried away and forget. Fortunately as
you get farther south to TX or FL unsweetened tea is more common as a
default.

I'll have to remember to try adding syrup. I just found some sour
cherry syrup which should be good.

EvelynVogtGamble

Mxsmanic wrote:

    > Jeremy Henderson writes:
    >
    >
    >>DHL aren't so bad. UPS are good. La Poste are a nightmare. With UPS's
    >>tracking systm at least you know where your parcel is held up*.
    >
    >
    > None of them are any good when they insist on delivering to your
    > doorstep, even though you are at work every day.

Oh, how I can relate to that! When I lived in a small house, I had no
difficulty getting UPS to leave parcels on my front porch without a
signature. (Even a computer, once - although my porch was clearly
visible from the street.) Now I live in a locked "security" building,
but even though the UPS man has access to the building, he REFUSES to
leave anything without a signature (and the building has no concierge -
few Los Angeles apartment buildings do). I CAN arrange to have smaller
parcels delivered to my office, but anything heavy would be impossible
for me to manage by myself (I would have to take it from the office to
my car, then from my building's subterranean garage up to my apartment).

    > By the time you
    > arrange for them to come out, and they actually show up, a week or more
    > has gone by. I've had this problem on multiple occasions. They could
    > have just sent it by parcel post.

I buy a lot of my clothes from catalogues, which have always shipped
parcel post. Recently my favorite supplier has announced (as though it
were an advantage) that they will now ship only by UPS! (Since UPS will
only deliver to a street address, the company MUST make exceptions for
customers with P. O. box addresses, but they flatly REFUSE to consider
shipping orders to me any way but UPS.) I've been doing business with
them for nearly thirty years, and they've gotten a fair amount of money
from me over that period. However, until they reconsider their new
policy, they'll do without MY custom from here on!

EvelynVogtGamble

Gregory Morrow wrote:

    > EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque) wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Well, I also make "sun tea" (actually "refrigerator tea", in my case - I
    >>put the tea in a jug of water in the 'fridge and let it steep overnight,
    >>or until it looks the right color). I also favor herb teas for the
    >>process - mint is especially refreshing - and abhor sweetened iced tea.
    >> (Another reason I dislike the "instant" powders.) My method has the
    >>added advantage of making actual ice unnecessary - it's already well
    >>chilled. (I don't mind refrigerated water or "cold" drinks, but
    >>heartily dislike them with ice!)
    >
    >
    >
    > Ya gotta at least have yer Juleps with LOTS of ice, Evelyn...and yes don't
    > forget the fresh mint ;---)

No juleps for me - I HATE bourbon! (Now Scotch, on the other hand.....
but that doesn't need ice.)

    >
    > Speaking of "tea", a popular US alcoholic drink with a "punch" is the "Long
    > Island Iced Tea" - a concoction that will leave you heaving!

You or the ground beneath you? (It's pretty potent, although I can
think of pleasanter ways to imbibe alcohol.)

    >