War without France
Feb 14th 2003, 8:16 pm
#46
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Re: War without France
In article , Michael Kennedy
writes
>> >People in Europe are grateful to the USA but! they will not support it
>> >for ever in doing things they know are illegal and inhuman.
>You mean like Rwanda ? The French didn't do a very good job of restraining
>their clients the Hutus. Oh well, who cares about Africa ? Ivory Coast
>anyone ?
I am speaking of the people and not the politicians, who are trusted now
by practically no-one.
--
Marie Lewis
writes
>> >People in Europe are grateful to the USA but! they will not support it
>> >for ever in doing things they know are illegal and inhuman.
>You mean like Rwanda ? The French didn't do a very good job of restraining
>their clients the Hutus. Oh well, who cares about Africa ? Ivory Coast
>anyone ?
I am speaking of the people and not the politicians, who are trusted now
by practically no-one.
--
Marie Lewis
Feb 15th 2003, 1:24 am
#47
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Re: War without France
Michael Kennedy wrote:
> >
> > He's also had 12 years to donate weapons to al Qaeda and hasn't. Instead,
> > both Saddam and al Qaeda use weapons donated to them by the United States.
> Which were those ? The T-72 tanks ? The Mirage jets ? Gerard Bull's
> supergun ? A little selective memory here.
Does the fact that the weapons were Soviet style mean they were not provided by
the US? According to some of the information I have come across, the US armed
the terrorist forces it supported with Soviet bloc arms. There are a number of
good reasons for doing so. They could buy them cheaply and save a lot of money
on shipping. The arms would be compatible with the ammunition that was
available over there. Best of all, the stuff was obsolete by our standards.
> >
> > He's also had 12 years to donate weapons to al Qaeda and hasn't. Instead,
> > both Saddam and al Qaeda use weapons donated to them by the United States.
> Which were those ? The T-72 tanks ? The Mirage jets ? Gerard Bull's
> supergun ? A little selective memory here.
Does the fact that the weapons were Soviet style mean they were not provided by
the US? According to some of the information I have come across, the US armed
the terrorist forces it supported with Soviet bloc arms. There are a number of
good reasons for doing so. They could buy them cheaply and save a lot of money
on shipping. The arms would be compatible with the ammunition that was
available over there. Best of all, the stuff was obsolete by our standards.
Feb 15th 2003, 1:56 am
#48
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Re: War without France
GLOBAL JIHAD
Islamists leave 'killing field'
of civilians
Team finds remains of unarmed villagers in southern Sudan
By Art Moore
© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com
The bones of scores of villagers litter a "killing field" left in the
wake of an unprovoked attack by Sudan's militant Islamic regime in which
as many as 3,000 unarmed civilians died, according to a team of
fact-finders.
Dennis Bennett of the relief group Servant's Heart recently returned
from Upper Nile Province where he and his colleagues heard local
survivors tell of a massive attack they believe killed between one-third
and one-half of the 6,000 people who lived in the villages of Liang,
Dengaji, Kawaji and Yawaji.
Human remains in area of purported attack by Sudan forces (Dennis
Bennett photo)
A woman from Dengaji named Tangook told Bennett's team that her two
children, approximately ages 4 and 5, were killed in the late April 2002
attack by Arab soldiers. Two days after she fled to a neighboring
village, men from Dengaji went back to find the bodies.
"My children’s bodies were being eaten by birds," she said, according to
a transcript of a video interview. "The soldiers burned all our houses
and took all our belongings. When the men went back to the village
looking for [salvageable] items, they found almost nothing left."
Bennett said the estimate of up to 3,000 dead was made in part by
counting survivors who have returned to the villages and those in
refugee camps. But he wants an investigation from an independent
monitoring team that was established in an agreement with the Khartoum
regime last October.
Scene from rebuilt village of Liang (Dennis Bennett photo)
"It was a completely unarmed region of more than 6,000 unarmed
civilians," Bennett told WND. "No rebel soldier was in the area and none
had ever been there."
Villagers interviewed said many of the people are Christians and some
are animists.
'Jihad is our way'
Backed by Muslim clerics, the National Islamic Front regime in the Arab
and Muslim north declared a jihad on the mostly Christian and animist
south in 1989. Since 1983, an estimated 2 million people have died from
war and related famine. About 5 million have become refugees.
Sudan's holy war against the south was reaffirmed in October 2001 by
First Vice President Ali Osman Taha.
"The jihad is our way, and we will not abandon it and will keep its
banner high," he said to a brigade of mujahedin fighters heading for the
war front. "We will never sell out our faith and will never betray the
oath to our martyrs."
Survivors in the Upper Nile villages said the attackers were members of
the Sudan regular army from the Boing Garrison, commanded by Brig. Gen.
Ibrahim Saleh.
Bennett said his team – which included Mel Middleton, president of
Freedom Quest International and Glenn Penner, communications director of
Voice of the Martyrs Canada – walked almost 30 miles each way in
115-degree heat to document the incident.
'Deliberate attacks' on civilians
The U.S. State Department said yesterday it has forwarded Bennett's
findings to the international Civilian Protection and Monitoring Team,
CPMT, assigned to report on violations of the March 2002 agreement
between Khartoum and the rebel Sudanese People's Liberation Movement.
The agreement specifically barred both sides from attacking civilians.
Bennett and his colleagues are urging the State Department to include
details of the attack in the report to Congress mandated by the Sudan
Peace Act, which was signed into law last October.
The Sudan Peace Act requires the U.S. administration to present a
detailed report by April 21 of any acts of genocide or war crimes.
Remains found near attacked village (Dennis Bennett photo)
Last Sunday, the CPMT issued a report charging that since Dec. 31,
government-backed forces had initiated "deliberate attacks against
non-combatant civilians and civilian facilities" in Western Upper Nile
province.
State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said Tuesday in response to
the report that the U.S. condemns "these unconscionable attacks and
abuses against civilians."
The CPMT said many of the attacks focused on towns along a road under
construction between Bentiu and Adok that would provide access to
numerous oil facilities in the province.
In a similar campaign in the Western Upper Nile and Kordofan Provinces
in 1997, militia and government forces raided villages to clear out the
area for an oil pipeline project to Port Sudan. China's national oil
company holds a majority stake in the pipeline.
Many human rights groups charge that Khartoum is using oil revenues to
fuel its war effort. Bennett, with 20 years experience in international
risk management and banking, said he was the first to probe the link
between oil and jihad that is now documented and publicized by the
rights groups. His research began in 1996 when he asked: If you're the
government of Sudan and you're broke, how are you paying for your war?
On his recent fact-finding trip, Bennett said his team came within five
miles of the Government of Sudan positions from which the attack was
launched. Three Arab nomads spying for the government were caught in a
village Bennett visited, which forced his team to leave secretly and
walk most of the night to reach safety.
Heavy artillery
In the April 2002 attack, heavily-armed government forces reportedly
struck in the early morning as the villagers slept, launching a rampage
of killing, looting and burning down houses. Residents said the
attackers were armed with 60 millimeter mortars, rocket-propelled
grenades, 12.7 millimeter heavy machine guns and AK-47 assault rifles.
Mortar craters in area of Upper Nile village (Dennis Bennett photo)
In a videotaped interview, villager Tunya Jok said he witnessed his
4-year -old daughter being shot and killed as she fled from the soldiers.
Later, his 6-year-old son was captured and beheaded by the soldiers. The
boy's body was thrown into a burning hut and his head planted upright,
facing away from the dwelling.
Awtio, subchief of the village of Liang, said a young girl named Yata
was captured by the soldiers and thrown into a fire.
Others fled into the bush and died there, he said.
Tunya Jok, who says 6-year-old son was beheaded by soldiers (Dennis
Bennett photo)
Wol Majief, a woman from Dengaji, said she began to flee when soldiers
started shooting, but four of her children were killed.
Teela, Anjota, Jotier and Berta were shot by the troops, she said.
Dengaji village chief Billy Worgo told Bennett's team, "Your coming here
is good."
"This is the first time anyone from the outside has come to find out
about this problem," he said. "This is very encouraging to us. Your
visit makes us very happy."
Never Forgive, Never Forget
9-11-01
Islamists leave 'killing field'
of civilians
Team finds remains of unarmed villagers in southern Sudan
By Art Moore
© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com
The bones of scores of villagers litter a "killing field" left in the
wake of an unprovoked attack by Sudan's militant Islamic regime in which
as many as 3,000 unarmed civilians died, according to a team of
fact-finders.
Dennis Bennett of the relief group Servant's Heart recently returned
from Upper Nile Province where he and his colleagues heard local
survivors tell of a massive attack they believe killed between one-third
and one-half of the 6,000 people who lived in the villages of Liang,
Dengaji, Kawaji and Yawaji.
Human remains in area of purported attack by Sudan forces (Dennis
Bennett photo)
A woman from Dengaji named Tangook told Bennett's team that her two
children, approximately ages 4 and 5, were killed in the late April 2002
attack by Arab soldiers. Two days after she fled to a neighboring
village, men from Dengaji went back to find the bodies.
"My children’s bodies were being eaten by birds," she said, according to
a transcript of a video interview. "The soldiers burned all our houses
and took all our belongings. When the men went back to the village
looking for [salvageable] items, they found almost nothing left."
Bennett said the estimate of up to 3,000 dead was made in part by
counting survivors who have returned to the villages and those in
refugee camps. But he wants an investigation from an independent
monitoring team that was established in an agreement with the Khartoum
regime last October.
Scene from rebuilt village of Liang (Dennis Bennett photo)
"It was a completely unarmed region of more than 6,000 unarmed
civilians," Bennett told WND. "No rebel soldier was in the area and none
had ever been there."
Villagers interviewed said many of the people are Christians and some
are animists.
'Jihad is our way'
Backed by Muslim clerics, the National Islamic Front regime in the Arab
and Muslim north declared a jihad on the mostly Christian and animist
south in 1989. Since 1983, an estimated 2 million people have died from
war and related famine. About 5 million have become refugees.
Sudan's holy war against the south was reaffirmed in October 2001 by
First Vice President Ali Osman Taha.
"The jihad is our way, and we will not abandon it and will keep its
banner high," he said to a brigade of mujahedin fighters heading for the
war front. "We will never sell out our faith and will never betray the
oath to our martyrs."
Survivors in the Upper Nile villages said the attackers were members of
the Sudan regular army from the Boing Garrison, commanded by Brig. Gen.
Ibrahim Saleh.
Bennett said his team – which included Mel Middleton, president of
Freedom Quest International and Glenn Penner, communications director of
Voice of the Martyrs Canada – walked almost 30 miles each way in
115-degree heat to document the incident.
'Deliberate attacks' on civilians
The U.S. State Department said yesterday it has forwarded Bennett's
findings to the international Civilian Protection and Monitoring Team,
CPMT, assigned to report on violations of the March 2002 agreement
between Khartoum and the rebel Sudanese People's Liberation Movement.
The agreement specifically barred both sides from attacking civilians.
Bennett and his colleagues are urging the State Department to include
details of the attack in the report to Congress mandated by the Sudan
Peace Act, which was signed into law last October.
The Sudan Peace Act requires the U.S. administration to present a
detailed report by April 21 of any acts of genocide or war crimes.
Remains found near attacked village (Dennis Bennett photo)
Last Sunday, the CPMT issued a report charging that since Dec. 31,
government-backed forces had initiated "deliberate attacks against
non-combatant civilians and civilian facilities" in Western Upper Nile
province.
State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said Tuesday in response to
the report that the U.S. condemns "these unconscionable attacks and
abuses against civilians."
The CPMT said many of the attacks focused on towns along a road under
construction between Bentiu and Adok that would provide access to
numerous oil facilities in the province.
In a similar campaign in the Western Upper Nile and Kordofan Provinces
in 1997, militia and government forces raided villages to clear out the
area for an oil pipeline project to Port Sudan. China's national oil
company holds a majority stake in the pipeline.
Many human rights groups charge that Khartoum is using oil revenues to
fuel its war effort. Bennett, with 20 years experience in international
risk management and banking, said he was the first to probe the link
between oil and jihad that is now documented and publicized by the
rights groups. His research began in 1996 when he asked: If you're the
government of Sudan and you're broke, how are you paying for your war?
On his recent fact-finding trip, Bennett said his team came within five
miles of the Government of Sudan positions from which the attack was
launched. Three Arab nomads spying for the government were caught in a
village Bennett visited, which forced his team to leave secretly and
walk most of the night to reach safety.
Heavy artillery
In the April 2002 attack, heavily-armed government forces reportedly
struck in the early morning as the villagers slept, launching a rampage
of killing, looting and burning down houses. Residents said the
attackers were armed with 60 millimeter mortars, rocket-propelled
grenades, 12.7 millimeter heavy machine guns and AK-47 assault rifles.
Mortar craters in area of Upper Nile village (Dennis Bennett photo)
In a videotaped interview, villager Tunya Jok said he witnessed his
4-year -old daughter being shot and killed as she fled from the soldiers.
Later, his 6-year-old son was captured and beheaded by the soldiers. The
boy's body was thrown into a burning hut and his head planted upright,
facing away from the dwelling.
Awtio, subchief of the village of Liang, said a young girl named Yata
was captured by the soldiers and thrown into a fire.
Others fled into the bush and died there, he said.
Tunya Jok, who says 6-year-old son was beheaded by soldiers (Dennis
Bennett photo)
Wol Majief, a woman from Dengaji, said she began to flee when soldiers
started shooting, but four of her children were killed.
Teela, Anjota, Jotier and Berta were shot by the troops, she said.
Dengaji village chief Billy Worgo told Bennett's team, "Your coming here
is good."
"This is the first time anyone from the outside has come to find out
about this problem," he said. "This is very encouraging to us. Your
visit makes us very happy."
Never Forgive, Never Forget
9-11-01
Feb 15th 2003, 3:29 am
#49
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Re: War without France
"devil" wrote in message
news
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> On Sat, 15 Feb 2003 05:39:11 +0000, Michael Kennedy wrote:
> >
> > "Miguel Cruz" wrote in message
> > news:IK%[email protected]...
> >> Jim Morris wrote:
> >> > If we don't look out for our own ass, it will be blown off by a
weapon
> >> > donated to AL Qaeda from Saddam.
> >> >
> >> > Saddam has had 12 years to disarm and hasn't.
> >>
> >> He's also had 12 years to donate weapons to al Qaeda and hasn't.
Instead,
> >> both Saddam and al Qaeda use weapons donated to them by the United
States.
> >
> > Which were those ? The T-72 tanks ? The Mirage jets ? Gerard Bull's
> > supergun ? A little selective memory here.
> Didn't you forget the gas stuff he used against Iran. Back when he used
> to work as a US surrogate? Where did you think that came from?
I think the label said France. Seriously, we supported him in the war with
Iran because we considered them worse. It's a close one but I think we were
wrong. Now he has France to depend on. We never sent any component of
chemical weapons but those are dual use items and easy to get. Nuclear
technology, however, is not and what he has he got from France and possible
Germany. His major weapons are Russian and French.
Michael Kennedy
news
[email protected]...> On Sat, 15 Feb 2003 05:39:11 +0000, Michael Kennedy wrote:
> >
> > "Miguel Cruz" wrote in message
> > news:IK%[email protected]...
> >> Jim Morris wrote:
> >> > If we don't look out for our own ass, it will be blown off by a
weapon
> >> > donated to AL Qaeda from Saddam.
> >> >
> >> > Saddam has had 12 years to disarm and hasn't.
> >>
> >> He's also had 12 years to donate weapons to al Qaeda and hasn't.
Instead,
> >> both Saddam and al Qaeda use weapons donated to them by the United
States.
> >
> > Which were those ? The T-72 tanks ? The Mirage jets ? Gerard Bull's
> > supergun ? A little selective memory here.
> Didn't you forget the gas stuff he used against Iran. Back when he used
> to work as a US surrogate? Where did you think that came from?
I think the label said France. Seriously, we supported him in the war with
Iran because we considered them worse. It's a close one but I think we were
wrong. Now he has France to depend on. We never sent any component of
chemical weapons but those are dual use items and easy to get. Nuclear
technology, however, is not and what he has he got from France and possible
Germany. His major weapons are Russian and French.
Michael Kennedy
Feb 15th 2003, 3:31 am
#50
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Re: War without France
"Dave Smith" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Michael Kennedy wrote:
> > >
> > > He's also had 12 years to donate weapons to al Qaeda and hasn't.
Instead,
> > > both Saddam and al Qaeda use weapons donated to them by the United
States.
> >
> > Which were those ? The T-72 tanks ? The Mirage jets ? Gerard Bull's
> > supergun ? A little selective memory here.
> Does the fact that the weapons were Soviet style mean they were not
provided by
> the US? According to some of the information I have come across, the US
armed
> the terrorist forces it supported with Soviet bloc arms. There are a
number of
> good reasons for doing so. They could buy them cheaply and save a lot of
money
> on shipping. The arms would be compatible with the ammunition that was
> available over there. Best of all, the stuff was obsolete by our
standards.
Some of the small arms supplied to the mujahaddeen in the 1980s were Soviet
because the ammo was available. Besides the AK 47 was better than the M 16.
Not large weapons systems.
Michael Kennedy
news:[email protected]...
> Michael Kennedy wrote:
> > >
> > > He's also had 12 years to donate weapons to al Qaeda and hasn't.
Instead,
> > > both Saddam and al Qaeda use weapons donated to them by the United
States.
> >
> > Which were those ? The T-72 tanks ? The Mirage jets ? Gerard Bull's
> > supergun ? A little selective memory here.
> Does the fact that the weapons were Soviet style mean they were not
provided by
> the US? According to some of the information I have come across, the US
armed
> the terrorist forces it supported with Soviet bloc arms. There are a
number of
> good reasons for doing so. They could buy them cheaply and save a lot of
money
> on shipping. The arms would be compatible with the ammunition that was
> available over there. Best of all, the stuff was obsolete by our
standards.
Some of the small arms supplied to the mujahaddeen in the 1980s were Soviet
because the ammo was available. Besides the AK 47 was better than the M 16.
Not large weapons systems.
Michael Kennedy
Feb 15th 2003, 4:19 am
#51
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Re: War without France
Michael Kennedy wrote:
> > on shipping. The arms would be compatible with the ammunition that was
> > available over there. Best of all, the stuff was obsolete by our
> standards.
> Some of the small arms supplied to the mujahaddeen in the 1980s were Soviet
> because the ammo was available. Besides the AK 47 was better than the M 16.
> Not large weapons systems.
If you ever watched any documentaries or read any books about the mujahideen
fight against the Soviets in Afghanistan, you would see that their tanks and
artillery are Soviet equipment, not American.
> > on shipping. The arms would be compatible with the ammunition that was
> > available over there. Best of all, the stuff was obsolete by our
> standards.
> Some of the small arms supplied to the mujahaddeen in the 1980s were Soviet
> because the ammo was available. Besides the AK 47 was better than the M 16.
> Not large weapons systems.
If you ever watched any documentaries or read any books about the mujahideen
fight against the Soviets in Afghanistan, you would see that their tanks and
artillery are Soviet equipment, not American.
Feb 15th 2003, 5:43 am
#52
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Re: War without France
> A typical Fox News item. I have nothing but scorn for that network.
> --
> Marie Lewis
A bit like HTV perhaps? The Italians did well tonight :-)
BJ
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> --
> Marie Lewis
A bit like HTV perhaps? The Italians did well tonight :-)
BJ
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Feb 15th 2003, 6:30 am
#53
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Re: War without France
"Dave Smith" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Michael Kennedy wrote:
> >
> > > on shipping. The arms would be compatible with the ammunition that
was
> > > available over there. Best of all, the stuff was obsolete by our
> > standards.
> >
> > Some of the small arms supplied to the mujahaddeen in the 1980s were
Soviet
> > because the ammo was available. Besides the AK 47 was better than the M
16.
> > Not large weapons systems.
> If you ever watched any documentaries or read any books about the
mujahideen
> fight against the Soviets in Afghanistan, you would see that their tanks
and
> artillery are Soviet equipment, not American.
Glad you agree with me.
Michael Kennedy
news:[email protected]...
> Michael Kennedy wrote:
> >
> > > on shipping. The arms would be compatible with the ammunition that
was
> > > available over there. Best of all, the stuff was obsolete by our
> > standards.
> >
> > Some of the small arms supplied to the mujahaddeen in the 1980s were
Soviet
> > because the ammo was available. Besides the AK 47 was better than the M
16.
> > Not large weapons systems.
> If you ever watched any documentaries or read any books about the
mujahideen
> fight against the Soviets in Afghanistan, you would see that their tanks
and
> artillery are Soviet equipment, not American.
Glad you agree with me.
Michael Kennedy
Feb 15th 2003, 7:33 am
#54
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: War without France
Michael Kennedy wrote:
> > > because the ammo was available. Besides the AK 47 was better than the M
> 16.
> > > Not large weapons systems.
> >
> > If you ever watched any documentaries or read any books about the
> mujahideen
> > fight against the Soviets in Afghanistan, you would see that their tanks
> and
> > artillery are Soviet equipment, not American.
> Glad you agree with me.
?? Agree with you? How do you think they got soviet tanks and artillery. Do you
think the soviets provided them just so that they could fight a better armed
resistance? I suggested that the US provided them with soviet made arms.
> > > because the ammo was available. Besides the AK 47 was better than the M
> 16.
> > > Not large weapons systems.
> >
> > If you ever watched any documentaries or read any books about the
> mujahideen
> > fight against the Soviets in Afghanistan, you would see that their tanks
> and
> > artillery are Soviet equipment, not American.
> Glad you agree with me.
?? Agree with you? How do you think they got soviet tanks and artillery. Do you
think the soviets provided them just so that they could fight a better armed
resistance? I suggested that the US provided them with soviet made arms.
Feb 15th 2003, 8:04 am
#55
Guest
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Re: War without France
Well you should enjoy that kind of thing, you want to do the same...Too bad
you're too old now
"ARKADYA" a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
> GLOBAL JIHAD
> Islamists leave 'killing field'
> of civilians
> Team finds remains of unarmed villagers in southern Sudan
> By Art Moore
> © 2003 WorldNetDaily.com
> The bones of scores of villagers litter a "killing field" left in the
> wake of an unprovoked attack by Sudan's militant Islamic regime in which
> as many as 3,000 unarmed civilians died, according to a team of
> fact-finders.
> Dennis Bennett of the relief group Servant's Heart recently returned
> from Upper Nile Province where he and his colleagues heard local
> survivors tell of a massive attack they believe killed between one-third
> and one-half of the 6,000 people who lived in the villages of Liang,
> Dengaji, Kawaji and Yawaji.
> Human remains in area of purported attack by Sudan forces (Dennis
> Bennett photo)
> A woman from Dengaji named Tangook told Bennett's team that her two
> children, approximately ages 4 and 5, were killed in the late April 2002
> attack by Arab soldiers. Two days after she fled to a neighboring
> village, men from Dengaji went back to find the bodies.
> "My children's bodies were being eaten by birds," she said, according to
> a transcript of a video interview. "The soldiers burned all our houses
> and took all our belongings. When the men went back to the village
> looking for [salvageable] items, they found almost nothing left."
> Bennett said the estimate of up to 3,000 dead was made in part by
> counting survivors who have returned to the villages and those in
> refugee camps. But he wants an investigation from an independent
> monitoring team that was established in an agreement with the Khartoum
> regime last October.
> Scene from rebuilt village of Liang (Dennis Bennett photo)
> "It was a completely unarmed region of more than 6,000 unarmed
> civilians," Bennett told WND. "No rebel soldier was in the area and none
> had ever been there."
> Villagers interviewed said many of the people are Christians and some
> are animists.
> 'Jihad is our way'
> Backed by Muslim clerics, the National Islamic Front regime in the Arab
> and Muslim north declared a jihad on the mostly Christian and animist
> south in 1989. Since 1983, an estimated 2 million people have died from
> war and related famine. About 5 million have become refugees.
> Sudan's holy war against the south was reaffirmed in October 2001 by
> First Vice President Ali Osman Taha.
> "The jihad is our way, and we will not abandon it and will keep its
> banner high," he said to a brigade of mujahedin fighters heading for the
> war front. "We will never sell out our faith and will never betray the
> oath to our martyrs."
> Survivors in the Upper Nile villages said the attackers were members of
> the Sudan regular army from the Boing Garrison, commanded by Brig. Gen.
> Ibrahim Saleh.
> Bennett said his team - which included Mel Middleton, president of
> Freedom Quest International and Glenn Penner, communications director of
> Voice of the Martyrs Canada - walked almost 30 miles each way in
> 115-degree heat to document the incident.
> 'Deliberate attacks' on civilians
> The U.S. State Department said yesterday it has forwarded Bennett's
> findings to the international Civilian Protection and Monitoring Team,
> CPMT, assigned to report on violations of the March 2002 agreement
> between Khartoum and the rebel Sudanese People's Liberation Movement.
> The agreement specifically barred both sides from attacking civilians.
> Bennett and his colleagues are urging the State Department to include
> details of the attack in the report to Congress mandated by the Sudan
> Peace Act, which was signed into law last October.
> The Sudan Peace Act requires the U.S. administration to present a
> detailed report by April 21 of any acts of genocide or war crimes.
> Remains found near attacked village (Dennis Bennett photo)
> Last Sunday, the CPMT issued a report charging that since Dec. 31,
> government-backed forces had initiated "deliberate attacks against
> non-combatant civilians and civilian facilities" in Western Upper Nile
> province.
> State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said Tuesday in response to
> the report that the U.S. condemns "these unconscionable attacks and
> abuses against civilians."
> The CPMT said many of the attacks focused on towns along a road under
> construction between Bentiu and Adok that would provide access to
> numerous oil facilities in the province.
> In a similar campaign in the Western Upper Nile and Kordofan Provinces
> in 1997, militia and government forces raided villages to clear out the
> area for an oil pipeline project to Port Sudan. China's national oil
> company holds a majority stake in the pipeline.
> Many human rights groups charge that Khartoum is using oil revenues to
> fuel its war effort. Bennett, with 20 years experience in international
> risk management and banking, said he was the first to probe the link
> between oil and jihad that is now documented and publicized by the
> rights groups. His research began in 1996 when he asked: If you're the
> government of Sudan and you're broke, how are you paying for your war?
> On his recent fact-finding trip, Bennett said his team came within five
> miles of the Government of Sudan positions from which the attack was
> launched. Three Arab nomads spying for the government were caught in a
> village Bennett visited, which forced his team to leave secretly and
> walk most of the night to reach safety.
> Heavy artillery
> In the April 2002 attack, heavily-armed government forces reportedly
> struck in the early morning as the villagers slept, launching a rampage
> of killing, looting and burning down houses. Residents said the
> attackers were armed with 60 millimeter mortars, rocket-propelled
> grenades, 12.7 millimeter heavy machine guns and AK-47 assault rifles.
> Mortar craters in area of Upper Nile village (Dennis Bennett photo)
> In a videotaped interview, villager Tunya Jok said he witnessed his
> 4-year -old daughter being shot and killed as she fled from the soldiers.
> Later, his 6-year-old son was captured and beheaded by the soldiers. The
> boy's body was thrown into a burning hut and his head planted upright,
> facing away from the dwelling.
> Awtio, subchief of the village of Liang, said a young girl named Yata
> was captured by the soldiers and thrown into a fire.
> Others fled into the bush and died there, he said.
> Tunya Jok, who says 6-year-old son was beheaded by soldiers (Dennis
> Bennett photo)
> Wol Majief, a woman from Dengaji, said she began to flee when soldiers
> started shooting, but four of her children were killed.
> Teela, Anjota, Jotier and Berta were shot by the troops, she said.
> Dengaji village chief Billy Worgo told Bennett's team, "Your coming here
> is good."
> "This is the first time anyone from the outside has come to find out
> about this problem," he said. "This is very encouraging to us. Your
> visit makes us very happy."
> Never Forgive, Never Forget
> 9-11-01
you're too old now
"ARKADYA" a écrit dans le message de news:
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> GLOBAL JIHAD
> Islamists leave 'killing field'
> of civilians
> Team finds remains of unarmed villagers in southern Sudan
> By Art Moore
> © 2003 WorldNetDaily.com
> The bones of scores of villagers litter a "killing field" left in the
> wake of an unprovoked attack by Sudan's militant Islamic regime in which
> as many as 3,000 unarmed civilians died, according to a team of
> fact-finders.
> Dennis Bennett of the relief group Servant's Heart recently returned
> from Upper Nile Province where he and his colleagues heard local
> survivors tell of a massive attack they believe killed between one-third
> and one-half of the 6,000 people who lived in the villages of Liang,
> Dengaji, Kawaji and Yawaji.
> Human remains in area of purported attack by Sudan forces (Dennis
> Bennett photo)
> A woman from Dengaji named Tangook told Bennett's team that her two
> children, approximately ages 4 and 5, were killed in the late April 2002
> attack by Arab soldiers. Two days after she fled to a neighboring
> village, men from Dengaji went back to find the bodies.
> "My children's bodies were being eaten by birds," she said, according to
> a transcript of a video interview. "The soldiers burned all our houses
> and took all our belongings. When the men went back to the village
> looking for [salvageable] items, they found almost nothing left."
> Bennett said the estimate of up to 3,000 dead was made in part by
> counting survivors who have returned to the villages and those in
> refugee camps. But he wants an investigation from an independent
> monitoring team that was established in an agreement with the Khartoum
> regime last October.
> Scene from rebuilt village of Liang (Dennis Bennett photo)
> "It was a completely unarmed region of more than 6,000 unarmed
> civilians," Bennett told WND. "No rebel soldier was in the area and none
> had ever been there."
> Villagers interviewed said many of the people are Christians and some
> are animists.
> 'Jihad is our way'
> Backed by Muslim clerics, the National Islamic Front regime in the Arab
> and Muslim north declared a jihad on the mostly Christian and animist
> south in 1989. Since 1983, an estimated 2 million people have died from
> war and related famine. About 5 million have become refugees.
> Sudan's holy war against the south was reaffirmed in October 2001 by
> First Vice President Ali Osman Taha.
> "The jihad is our way, and we will not abandon it and will keep its
> banner high," he said to a brigade of mujahedin fighters heading for the
> war front. "We will never sell out our faith and will never betray the
> oath to our martyrs."
> Survivors in the Upper Nile villages said the attackers were members of
> the Sudan regular army from the Boing Garrison, commanded by Brig. Gen.
> Ibrahim Saleh.
> Bennett said his team - which included Mel Middleton, president of
> Freedom Quest International and Glenn Penner, communications director of
> Voice of the Martyrs Canada - walked almost 30 miles each way in
> 115-degree heat to document the incident.
> 'Deliberate attacks' on civilians
> The U.S. State Department said yesterday it has forwarded Bennett's
> findings to the international Civilian Protection and Monitoring Team,
> CPMT, assigned to report on violations of the March 2002 agreement
> between Khartoum and the rebel Sudanese People's Liberation Movement.
> The agreement specifically barred both sides from attacking civilians.
> Bennett and his colleagues are urging the State Department to include
> details of the attack in the report to Congress mandated by the Sudan
> Peace Act, which was signed into law last October.
> The Sudan Peace Act requires the U.S. administration to present a
> detailed report by April 21 of any acts of genocide or war crimes.
> Remains found near attacked village (Dennis Bennett photo)
> Last Sunday, the CPMT issued a report charging that since Dec. 31,
> government-backed forces had initiated "deliberate attacks against
> non-combatant civilians and civilian facilities" in Western Upper Nile
> province.
> State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said Tuesday in response to
> the report that the U.S. condemns "these unconscionable attacks and
> abuses against civilians."
> The CPMT said many of the attacks focused on towns along a road under
> construction between Bentiu and Adok that would provide access to
> numerous oil facilities in the province.
> In a similar campaign in the Western Upper Nile and Kordofan Provinces
> in 1997, militia and government forces raided villages to clear out the
> area for an oil pipeline project to Port Sudan. China's national oil
> company holds a majority stake in the pipeline.
> Many human rights groups charge that Khartoum is using oil revenues to
> fuel its war effort. Bennett, with 20 years experience in international
> risk management and banking, said he was the first to probe the link
> between oil and jihad that is now documented and publicized by the
> rights groups. His research began in 1996 when he asked: If you're the
> government of Sudan and you're broke, how are you paying for your war?
> On his recent fact-finding trip, Bennett said his team came within five
> miles of the Government of Sudan positions from which the attack was
> launched. Three Arab nomads spying for the government were caught in a
> village Bennett visited, which forced his team to leave secretly and
> walk most of the night to reach safety.
> Heavy artillery
> In the April 2002 attack, heavily-armed government forces reportedly
> struck in the early morning as the villagers slept, launching a rampage
> of killing, looting and burning down houses. Residents said the
> attackers were armed with 60 millimeter mortars, rocket-propelled
> grenades, 12.7 millimeter heavy machine guns and AK-47 assault rifles.
> Mortar craters in area of Upper Nile village (Dennis Bennett photo)
> In a videotaped interview, villager Tunya Jok said he witnessed his
> 4-year -old daughter being shot and killed as she fled from the soldiers.
> Later, his 6-year-old son was captured and beheaded by the soldiers. The
> boy's body was thrown into a burning hut and his head planted upright,
> facing away from the dwelling.
> Awtio, subchief of the village of Liang, said a young girl named Yata
> was captured by the soldiers and thrown into a fire.
> Others fled into the bush and died there, he said.
> Tunya Jok, who says 6-year-old son was beheaded by soldiers (Dennis
> Bennett photo)
> Wol Majief, a woman from Dengaji, said she began to flee when soldiers
> started shooting, but four of her children were killed.
> Teela, Anjota, Jotier and Berta were shot by the troops, she said.
> Dengaji village chief Billy Worgo told Bennett's team, "Your coming here
> is good."
> "This is the first time anyone from the outside has come to find out
> about this problem," he said. "This is very encouraging to us. Your
> visit makes us very happy."
> Never Forgive, Never Forget
> 9-11-01
Feb 15th 2003, 8:06 am
#56
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Re: War without France
I suppose now you see how stupid your post was
Who's in the minority big head?
"Dave Smith" a écrit dans le message de news:
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> Jim Morris wrote:
> >
> > > How I understand it, is that they don't want to prepare for war, when
> > > war could still be avoided. When the war starts, they will help Turkey
> > > to *defend* itself.
> >
> > Dumbest thing I have heard in a long time. "After it Starts?" Ahh, might
> > be to late then.... duh... Probably on the first day Saddam will start
> > launching
> > missiles full of Toxins, Anthrax, VX, etc... all over the region.
> > I think their protection is needed before that happens.
> What missiles full of toxins and anthrax?
> > Sharing defense-resources is what Nato was created
> That is what the US military industrial complex has tried to turn it into,
but
> it was created as a mutual defense alliance in case one of them was
invaded. No
> member of NATO has been invaded, and no member of NATO is under threat of
> invasion.
> > Considering the vote was something like 16-3 in favor of defending
Turkey
> > I think France, Germany, and Belgium's opinion is in the minority and
well,
> > a bit childish and arrogant. This considering for most of the last 40
years
> > France had no interest in being a big part of NATO during the tough
times
> > in the Cold War. Of course after the Soviet threat was gone
> > they showed a greater interest in NATO's affairs.
> Yeah. Right.
Who's in the minority big head?
"Dave Smith" a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
> Jim Morris wrote:
> >
> > > How I understand it, is that they don't want to prepare for war, when
> > > war could still be avoided. When the war starts, they will help Turkey
> > > to *defend* itself.
> >
> > Dumbest thing I have heard in a long time. "After it Starts?" Ahh, might
> > be to late then.... duh... Probably on the first day Saddam will start
> > launching
> > missiles full of Toxins, Anthrax, VX, etc... all over the region.
> > I think their protection is needed before that happens.
> What missiles full of toxins and anthrax?
> > Sharing defense-resources is what Nato was created
> That is what the US military industrial complex has tried to turn it into,
but
> it was created as a mutual defense alliance in case one of them was
invaded. No
> member of NATO has been invaded, and no member of NATO is under threat of
> invasion.
> > Considering the vote was something like 16-3 in favor of defending
Turkey
> > I think France, Germany, and Belgium's opinion is in the minority and
well,
> > a bit childish and arrogant. This considering for most of the last 40
years
> > France had no interest in being a big part of NATO during the tough
times
> > in the Cold War. Of course after the Soviet threat was gone
> > they showed a greater interest in NATO's affairs.
> Yeah. Right.
Feb 15th 2003, 8:06 am
#57
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Re: War without France
Blowjob is back
"BJ" a écrit dans le message de news:
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> > A typical Fox News item. I have nothing but scorn for that network.
> >
> > --
> > Marie Lewis
> A bit like HTV perhaps? The Italians did well tonight :-)
> BJ
> --
> (Antispam, drop pants to EMail)
> All outgoing Emails checked for Virus with Norton.
"BJ" a écrit dans le message de news:
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> > A typical Fox News item. I have nothing but scorn for that network.
> >
> > --
> > Marie Lewis
> A bit like HTV perhaps? The Italians did well tonight :-)
> BJ
> --
> (Antispam, drop pants to EMail)
> All outgoing Emails checked for Virus with Norton.
Feb 15th 2003, 9:28 am
#58
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Re: War without France
"Dave Smith" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Michael Kennedy wrote:
> >
> > > > because the ammo was available. Besides the AK 47 was better than
the M
> > 16.
> > > > Not large weapons systems.
> > >
> > > If you ever watched any documentaries or read any books about the
> > mujahideen
> > > fight against the Soviets in Afghanistan, you would see that their
tanks
> > and
> > > artillery are Soviet equipment, not American.
> >
> > Glad you agree with me.
> ?? Agree with you? How do you think they got soviet tanks and artillery.
Do you
> think the soviets provided them just so that they could fight a better
armed
> resistance? I suggested that the US provided them with soviet made arms.
Proof ? I think they got them the old-fashioned way. They kept them when the
Sovs ran away. Or bought them from Russian generals, the way the bad guys
are going to get a nuke. Do you think we flew T 72s into Afghanistan on
helicopters ? Where do you guys get these ideas ?
Michael Kennedy
news:[email protected]...
> Michael Kennedy wrote:
> >
> > > > because the ammo was available. Besides the AK 47 was better than
the M
> > 16.
> > > > Not large weapons systems.
> > >
> > > If you ever watched any documentaries or read any books about the
> > mujahideen
> > > fight against the Soviets in Afghanistan, you would see that their
tanks
> > and
> > > artillery are Soviet equipment, not American.
> >
> > Glad you agree with me.
> ?? Agree with you? How do you think they got soviet tanks and artillery.
Do you
> think the soviets provided them just so that they could fight a better
armed
> resistance? I suggested that the US provided them with soviet made arms.
Proof ? I think they got them the old-fashioned way. They kept them when the
Sovs ran away. Or bought them from Russian generals, the way the bad guys
are going to get a nuke. Do you think we flew T 72s into Afghanistan on
helicopters ? Where do you guys get these ideas ?
Michael Kennedy
Feb 15th 2003, 10:10 am
#59
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Re: War without France
Michael Kennedy wrote:
> > ?? Agree with you? How do you think they got soviet tanks and artillery.
> Do you
> > think the soviets provided them just so that they could fight a better
> armed
> > resistance? I suggested that the US provided them with soviet made arms.
> Proof ? I think they got them the old-fashioned way. They kept them when the
> Sovs ran away.
The soviets did not run away and leave operational artillery. That is a basic
in the military.
> Or bought them from Russian generals, the way the bad guys
> are going to get a nuke.
They may have bought them, but that stuff is expensive, and you know that they
had American funding.
> Do you think we flew T 72s into Afghanistan on
> helicopters ? Where do you guys get these ideas ?
Like I said about saving on shipping. It would be hard to get heavy US armour
into that remote area, but there were lots of soviet tanks to be had if they had
the money. It was quite common for the guerrillas to buy arms and equipment from
corrupt soviet officers, as reported in "My Jihad", the story of an American
mujhiden fighter.
> > ?? Agree with you? How do you think they got soviet tanks and artillery.
> Do you
> > think the soviets provided them just so that they could fight a better
> armed
> > resistance? I suggested that the US provided them with soviet made arms.
> Proof ? I think they got them the old-fashioned way. They kept them when the
> Sovs ran away.
The soviets did not run away and leave operational artillery. That is a basic
in the military.
> Or bought them from Russian generals, the way the bad guys
> are going to get a nuke.
They may have bought them, but that stuff is expensive, and you know that they
had American funding.
> Do you think we flew T 72s into Afghanistan on
> helicopters ? Where do you guys get these ideas ?
Like I said about saving on shipping. It would be hard to get heavy US armour
into that remote area, but there were lots of soviet tanks to be had if they had
the money. It was quite common for the guerrillas to buy arms and equipment from
corrupt soviet officers, as reported in "My Jihad", the story of an American
mujhiden fighter.
Feb 15th 2003, 3:00 pm
#60
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Re: War without France
"Dave Smith" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Michael Kennedy wrote:
> > > ?? Agree with you? How do you think they got soviet tanks and
artillery.
> > Do you
> > > think the soviets provided them just so that they could fight a better
> > armed
> > > resistance? I suggested that the US provided them with soviet made
arms.
> >
> > Proof ? I think they got them the old-fashioned way. They kept them when
the
> > Sovs ran away.
> The soviets did not run away and leave operational artillery. That is a
basic
> in the military.
> > Or bought them from Russian generals, the way the bad guys
> > are going to get a nuke.
> They may have bought them, but that stuff is expensive, and you know that
they
> had American funding.
> > Do you think we flew T 72s into Afghanistan on
> > helicopters ? Where do you guys get these ideas ?
> Like I said about saving on shipping. It would be hard to get heavy US
armour
> into that remote area, but there were lots of soviet tanks to be had if
they had
> the money. It was quite common for the guerrillas to buy arms and
equipment from
> corrupt soviet officers, as reported in "My Jihad", the story of an
American
> mujhiden fighter.
They got lots of money from the Saudis and even from some "American "
muslims
like a certain college professor in Florida. The "American funding", after
1986, was a leftist myth. Just like us giving Saddam chemical weapons. You
are trying too hard.
Michael Kennedy
news:[email protected]...
> Michael Kennedy wrote:
> > > ?? Agree with you? How do you think they got soviet tanks and
artillery.
> > Do you
> > > think the soviets provided them just so that they could fight a better
> > armed
> > > resistance? I suggested that the US provided them with soviet made
arms.
> >
> > Proof ? I think they got them the old-fashioned way. They kept them when
the
> > Sovs ran away.
> The soviets did not run away and leave operational artillery. That is a
basic
> in the military.
> > Or bought them from Russian generals, the way the bad guys
> > are going to get a nuke.
> They may have bought them, but that stuff is expensive, and you know that
they
> had American funding.
> > Do you think we flew T 72s into Afghanistan on
> > helicopters ? Where do you guys get these ideas ?
> Like I said about saving on shipping. It would be hard to get heavy US
armour
> into that remote area, but there were lots of soviet tanks to be had if
they had
> the money. It was quite common for the guerrillas to buy arms and
equipment from
> corrupt soviet officers, as reported in "My Jihad", the story of an
American
> mujhiden fighter.
They got lots of money from the Saudis and even from some "American "
muslims
like a certain college professor in Florida. The "American funding", after
1986, was a leftist myth. Just like us giving Saddam chemical weapons. You
are trying too hard.
Michael Kennedy
