War without France
Feb 13th 2003, 5:03 am
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War without France
This newsgroup has slipped away from its
intended purpose, i.e., travel in
Europe, but since this subject has been
placed into the agenda, here is another
view on the subject.
Subject: French Military Prowess Revisited
President Bush and Secretary Rumsfeld
may be upset that the French are not
"assisting" us in this fight, but out
here at the tip of the spear (Somewhere
in the mideast), there is nothing but
jubilation at their absence. Last thing
we need is to be carrying the French on
our shoulders.
A cursory review of French military
history reveals the following:
1 - Gallic Wars - Lost. In a war whose
ending foreshadows the next 2,000 years
of French history, France is conquered
by of all things, an Italian.
2 - Hundred Years War - Mostly lost,
saved at last by a female schizophrenic
who inadvertently creates The First Rule
of French Warfare: "French armies are
victorious only when not led by a
Frenchman."
3 - Italian Wars - Lost. France becomes
the first and only country to ever lose
two wars when fighting Italians.
4 - Wars of Religion - France goes 0-5-4
against the Huguenots.
5 - Thirty Years War - France is
technically not a participant but still
manages to get invaded. Claims a tie on
the basis that eventually the other
participants started ignoring her.
6 - War of Devolution - Tied. Frenchmen
take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.
7 - The Dutch War - Tied. Dutch farmers
and tulip growers are tougher than they
look.
8 - War of the Augsburg League/King
William's War/French and Indian War -
Lost, but claimed as a tie. Three ties
in a row induces deluded Francophiles
the world over to label the period as
the height of French military power.
9 - War of the Spanish Succession -
Lost. The War also gave the French their
first taste of a Marlborough, which they
have loved every since.
10 - American Revolution - In a move
that will become quite familiar to
future Americans, France claims a win
even though the English colonists saw
far more action. This is later known as
"de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the
Second Rule of French Warfare; " France
only wins when America does most of the
fighting."
11 - French Revolution - Won, primarily
due the fact that the opponent was also
French.
12 - The Napoleonic Wars - Lost.
Temporary victories (remember the First
Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican,
who ended up being no match for the
Russian winter, Prussian grenadiers or a
British footwear designer.
13 - The Franco-Prussian War - Lost. For
the first, but certainly not the last
time, Germany plays the role of drunk
frat boy to France 's ugly girl home
alone on a Saturday night.
14 - World War I - Invaded, humiliated
and on the way to losing, France is
saved by the United States. Winds up a
tie for les francaise. Thousands of
French women find out what it's like to
not only sleep with a winner, but one
who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly,
the American fascination with personal
hygiene (a fascination totally foreign
to French women) incites widespread use
of condoms by American soldiers, thus
precluding any improvement in the French
bloodline.
15 - World War II - A decisive defeat
even by French standards. Hitler and the
German Youth spend Christmas time
sleeping soundly through the winter,
then arouse themselves to conquer France
in six weeks. Hitler dances in front of
the Eiffel Tower, while the French
command staff retreats to Algeria to
institute a crash language program to
teach French privates how to say "I
surrender" in German and French generals
to say "We surrender" in German.
Conquered French liberated by the United
States and Britain just as they finish
learning the Horst Wessel Song and some
small portion of the German work ethic.
De Gaulle of it all...
16 - First Vietnamese war (in Vietnamese
circles, known as "the scrimmage", or
"the exhibition game" where the varsity
squad is kept on the sideline to see how
the second string will play) - Lost.
French soldiers, fresh off their four
year occupation by the Germans, catch a
terminal case of Dien Bien Flu.
17 - Algerian rebellion - Lost. First
time an Arab army has beaten a Western
army since the Crusades, and produces
the first rule of modern Islamic
warfare: "We can always beat the
French." A nice phrase, but it lacks
something in originality, since it is
also the first rule of warfare for the
Italians, Russians, Prussians, Germans,
English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese,
Native Americans and capitalists.
18 - War on Terrorism - Lost. Incensed
at not being included in the original
"Axis of Evil," France refuses to
participate. When it becomes clear that
this is a "no-kidding war," Jacques
Chirac looks at his cards and
immediately surrenders to that old
warhorse, Gerhard Schroeder. For good
measure, he also surrenders to five
million illegal immigrants from Algeria.
The moral of the story is - give thanks
to God on high that the French are not he
intended purpose, i.e., travel in
Europe, but since this subject has been
placed into the agenda, here is another
view on the subject.
Subject: French Military Prowess Revisited
President Bush and Secretary Rumsfeld
may be upset that the French are not
"assisting" us in this fight, but out
here at the tip of the spear (Somewhere
in the mideast), there is nothing but
jubilation at their absence. Last thing
we need is to be carrying the French on
our shoulders.
A cursory review of French military
history reveals the following:
1 - Gallic Wars - Lost. In a war whose
ending foreshadows the next 2,000 years
of French history, France is conquered
by of all things, an Italian.
2 - Hundred Years War - Mostly lost,
saved at last by a female schizophrenic
who inadvertently creates The First Rule
of French Warfare: "French armies are
victorious only when not led by a
Frenchman."
3 - Italian Wars - Lost. France becomes
the first and only country to ever lose
two wars when fighting Italians.
4 - Wars of Religion - France goes 0-5-4
against the Huguenots.
5 - Thirty Years War - France is
technically not a participant but still
manages to get invaded. Claims a tie on
the basis that eventually the other
participants started ignoring her.
6 - War of Devolution - Tied. Frenchmen
take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.
7 - The Dutch War - Tied. Dutch farmers
and tulip growers are tougher than they
look.
8 - War of the Augsburg League/King
William's War/French and Indian War -
Lost, but claimed as a tie. Three ties
in a row induces deluded Francophiles
the world over to label the period as
the height of French military power.
9 - War of the Spanish Succession -
Lost. The War also gave the French their
first taste of a Marlborough, which they
have loved every since.
10 - American Revolution - In a move
that will become quite familiar to
future Americans, France claims a win
even though the English colonists saw
far more action. This is later known as
"de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the
Second Rule of French Warfare; " France
only wins when America does most of the
fighting."
11 - French Revolution - Won, primarily
due the fact that the opponent was also
French.
12 - The Napoleonic Wars - Lost.
Temporary victories (remember the First
Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican,
who ended up being no match for the
Russian winter, Prussian grenadiers or a
British footwear designer.
13 - The Franco-Prussian War - Lost. For
the first, but certainly not the last
time, Germany plays the role of drunk
frat boy to France 's ugly girl home
alone on a Saturday night.
14 - World War I - Invaded, humiliated
and on the way to losing, France is
saved by the United States. Winds up a
tie for les francaise. Thousands of
French women find out what it's like to
not only sleep with a winner, but one
who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly,
the American fascination with personal
hygiene (a fascination totally foreign
to French women) incites widespread use
of condoms by American soldiers, thus
precluding any improvement in the French
bloodline.
15 - World War II - A decisive defeat
even by French standards. Hitler and the
German Youth spend Christmas time
sleeping soundly through the winter,
then arouse themselves to conquer France
in six weeks. Hitler dances in front of
the Eiffel Tower, while the French
command staff retreats to Algeria to
institute a crash language program to
teach French privates how to say "I
surrender" in German and French generals
to say "We surrender" in German.
Conquered French liberated by the United
States and Britain just as they finish
learning the Horst Wessel Song and some
small portion of the German work ethic.
De Gaulle of it all...
16 - First Vietnamese war (in Vietnamese
circles, known as "the scrimmage", or
"the exhibition game" where the varsity
squad is kept on the sideline to see how
the second string will play) - Lost.
French soldiers, fresh off their four
year occupation by the Germans, catch a
terminal case of Dien Bien Flu.
17 - Algerian rebellion - Lost. First
time an Arab army has beaten a Western
army since the Crusades, and produces
the first rule of modern Islamic
warfare: "We can always beat the
French." A nice phrase, but it lacks
something in originality, since it is
also the first rule of warfare for the
Italians, Russians, Prussians, Germans,
English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese,
Native Americans and capitalists.
18 - War on Terrorism - Lost. Incensed
at not being included in the original
"Axis of Evil," France refuses to
participate. When it becomes clear that
this is a "no-kidding war," Jacques
Chirac looks at his cards and
immediately surrenders to that old
warhorse, Gerhard Schroeder. For good
measure, he also surrenders to five
million illegal immigrants from Algeria.
The moral of the story is - give thanks
to God on high that the French are not he
Feb 13th 2003, 5:20 am
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Re: War without France
On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 18:03:05 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, Jean White
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
...
... The moral of the story is - give thanks
... to God on high that the French are not he
Some of them are "she".
=======
Some people's idea of [free speech] is that they are free to say what they like, but if
anyone says anything back, that is an outrage. - Winston Churchill
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
...
... The moral of the story is - give thanks
... to God on high that the French are not he
Some of them are "she".
=======
Some people's idea of [free speech] is that they are free to say what they like, but if
anyone says anything back, that is an outrage. - Winston Churchill
Feb 13th 2003, 5:46 am
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Re: War without France
Yeah Jean White go out an kill 'em all!
Go on !!
"Jean White" a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
> This newsgroup has slipped away from its
> intended purpose, i.e., travel in
> Europe, but since this subject has been
> placed into the agenda, here is another
> view on the subject.
> Subject: French Military Prowess Revisited
> President Bush and Secretary Rumsfeld
> may be upset that the French are not
> "assisting" us in this fight, but out
> here at the tip of the spear (Somewhere
> in the mideast), there is nothing but
> jubilation at their absence. Last thing
> we need is to be carrying the French on
> our shoulders.
> A cursory review of French military
> history reveals the following:
> 1 - Gallic Wars - Lost. In a war whose
> ending foreshadows the next 2,000 years
> of French history, France is conquered
> by of all things, an Italian.
> 2 - Hundred Years War - Mostly lost,
> saved at last by a female schizophrenic
> who inadvertently creates The First Rule
> of French Warfare: "French armies are
> victorious only when not led by a
> Frenchman."
> 3 - Italian Wars - Lost. France becomes
> the first and only country to ever lose
> two wars when fighting Italians.
> 4 - Wars of Religion - France goes 0-5-4
> against the Huguenots.
> 5 - Thirty Years War - France is
> technically not a participant but still
> manages to get invaded. Claims a tie on
> the basis that eventually the other
> participants started ignoring her.
> 6 - War of Devolution - Tied. Frenchmen
> take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.
> 7 - The Dutch War - Tied. Dutch farmers
> and tulip growers are tougher than they
> look.
> 8 - War of the Augsburg League/King
> William's War/French and Indian War -
> Lost, but claimed as a tie. Three ties
> in a row induces deluded Francophiles
> the world over to label the period as
> the height of French military power.
> 9 - War of the Spanish Succession -
> Lost. The War also gave the French their
> first taste of a Marlborough, which they
> have loved every since.
> 10 - American Revolution - In a move
> that will become quite familiar to
> future Americans, France claims a win
> even though the English colonists saw
> far more action. This is later known as
> "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the
> Second Rule of French Warfare; " France
> only wins when America does most of the
> fighting."
> 11 - French Revolution - Won, primarily
> due the fact that the opponent was also
> French.
> 12 - The Napoleonic Wars - Lost.
> Temporary victories (remember the First
> Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican,
> who ended up being no match for the
> Russian winter, Prussian grenadiers or a
> British footwear designer.
> 13 - The Franco-Prussian War - Lost. For
> the first, but certainly not the last
> time, Germany plays the role of drunk
> frat boy to France 's ugly girl home
> alone on a Saturday night.
> 14 - World War I - Invaded, humiliated
> and on the way to losing, France is
> saved by the United States. Winds up a
> tie for les francaise. Thousands of
> French women find out what it's like to
> not only sleep with a winner, but one
> who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly,
> the American fascination with personal
> hygiene (a fascination totally foreign
> to French women) incites widespread use
> of condoms by American soldiers, thus
> precluding any improvement in the French
> bloodline.
> 15 - World War II - A decisive defeat
> even by French standards. Hitler and the
> German Youth spend Christmas time
> sleeping soundly through the winter,
> then arouse themselves to conquer France
> in six weeks. Hitler dances in front of
> the Eiffel Tower, while the French
> command staff retreats to Algeria to
> institute a crash language program to
> teach French privates how to say "I
> surrender" in German and French generals
> to say "We surrender" in German.
> Conquered French liberated by the United
> States and Britain just as they finish
> learning the Horst Wessel Song and some
> small portion of the German work ethic.
> De Gaulle of it all...
> 16 - First Vietnamese war (in Vietnamese
> circles, known as "the scrimmage", or
> "the exhibition game" where the varsity
> squad is kept on the sideline to see how
> the second string will play) - Lost.
> French soldiers, fresh off their four
> year occupation by the Germans, catch a
> terminal case of Dien Bien Flu.
> 17 - Algerian rebellion - Lost. First
> time an Arab army has beaten a Western
> army since the Crusades, and produces
> the first rule of modern Islamic
> warfare: "We can always beat the
> French." A nice phrase, but it lacks
> something in originality, since it is
> also the first rule of warfare for the
> Italians, Russians, Prussians, Germans,
> English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese,
> Native Americans and capitalists.
> 18 - War on Terrorism - Lost. Incensed
> at not being included in the original
> "Axis of Evil," France refuses to
> participate. When it becomes clear that
> this is a "no-kidding war," Jacques
> Chirac looks at his cards and
> immediately surrenders to that old
> warhorse, Gerhard Schroeder. For good
> measure, he also surrenders to five
> million illegal immigrants from Algeria.
> The moral of the story is - give thanks
> to God on high that the French are not he
Go on !!
"Jean White" a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
> This newsgroup has slipped away from its
> intended purpose, i.e., travel in
> Europe, but since this subject has been
> placed into the agenda, here is another
> view on the subject.
> Subject: French Military Prowess Revisited
> President Bush and Secretary Rumsfeld
> may be upset that the French are not
> "assisting" us in this fight, but out
> here at the tip of the spear (Somewhere
> in the mideast), there is nothing but
> jubilation at their absence. Last thing
> we need is to be carrying the French on
> our shoulders.
> A cursory review of French military
> history reveals the following:
> 1 - Gallic Wars - Lost. In a war whose
> ending foreshadows the next 2,000 years
> of French history, France is conquered
> by of all things, an Italian.
> 2 - Hundred Years War - Mostly lost,
> saved at last by a female schizophrenic
> who inadvertently creates The First Rule
> of French Warfare: "French armies are
> victorious only when not led by a
> Frenchman."
> 3 - Italian Wars - Lost. France becomes
> the first and only country to ever lose
> two wars when fighting Italians.
> 4 - Wars of Religion - France goes 0-5-4
> against the Huguenots.
> 5 - Thirty Years War - France is
> technically not a participant but still
> manages to get invaded. Claims a tie on
> the basis that eventually the other
> participants started ignoring her.
> 6 - War of Devolution - Tied. Frenchmen
> take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.
> 7 - The Dutch War - Tied. Dutch farmers
> and tulip growers are tougher than they
> look.
> 8 - War of the Augsburg League/King
> William's War/French and Indian War -
> Lost, but claimed as a tie. Three ties
> in a row induces deluded Francophiles
> the world over to label the period as
> the height of French military power.
> 9 - War of the Spanish Succession -
> Lost. The War also gave the French their
> first taste of a Marlborough, which they
> have loved every since.
> 10 - American Revolution - In a move
> that will become quite familiar to
> future Americans, France claims a win
> even though the English colonists saw
> far more action. This is later known as
> "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the
> Second Rule of French Warfare; " France
> only wins when America does most of the
> fighting."
> 11 - French Revolution - Won, primarily
> due the fact that the opponent was also
> French.
> 12 - The Napoleonic Wars - Lost.
> Temporary victories (remember the First
> Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican,
> who ended up being no match for the
> Russian winter, Prussian grenadiers or a
> British footwear designer.
> 13 - The Franco-Prussian War - Lost. For
> the first, but certainly not the last
> time, Germany plays the role of drunk
> frat boy to France 's ugly girl home
> alone on a Saturday night.
> 14 - World War I - Invaded, humiliated
> and on the way to losing, France is
> saved by the United States. Winds up a
> tie for les francaise. Thousands of
> French women find out what it's like to
> not only sleep with a winner, but one
> who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly,
> the American fascination with personal
> hygiene (a fascination totally foreign
> to French women) incites widespread use
> of condoms by American soldiers, thus
> precluding any improvement in the French
> bloodline.
> 15 - World War II - A decisive defeat
> even by French standards. Hitler and the
> German Youth spend Christmas time
> sleeping soundly through the winter,
> then arouse themselves to conquer France
> in six weeks. Hitler dances in front of
> the Eiffel Tower, while the French
> command staff retreats to Algeria to
> institute a crash language program to
> teach French privates how to say "I
> surrender" in German and French generals
> to say "We surrender" in German.
> Conquered French liberated by the United
> States and Britain just as they finish
> learning the Horst Wessel Song and some
> small portion of the German work ethic.
> De Gaulle of it all...
> 16 - First Vietnamese war (in Vietnamese
> circles, known as "the scrimmage", or
> "the exhibition game" where the varsity
> squad is kept on the sideline to see how
> the second string will play) - Lost.
> French soldiers, fresh off their four
> year occupation by the Germans, catch a
> terminal case of Dien Bien Flu.
> 17 - Algerian rebellion - Lost. First
> time an Arab army has beaten a Western
> army since the Crusades, and produces
> the first rule of modern Islamic
> warfare: "We can always beat the
> French." A nice phrase, but it lacks
> something in originality, since it is
> also the first rule of warfare for the
> Italians, Russians, Prussians, Germans,
> English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese,
> Native Americans and capitalists.
> 18 - War on Terrorism - Lost. Incensed
> at not being included in the original
> "Axis of Evil," France refuses to
> participate. When it becomes clear that
> this is a "no-kidding war," Jacques
> Chirac looks at his cards and
> immediately surrenders to that old
> warhorse, Gerhard Schroeder. For good
> measure, he also surrenders to five
> million illegal immigrants from Algeria.
> The moral of the story is - give thanks
> to God on high that the French are not he
Feb 13th 2003, 7:16 am
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Re: War without France
Jean White wrote:
> Subject: French Military Prowess Revisited
You left out France's one and only military victory: the sinking of the
unarmed Greenpeace ship Rainbow Warrior in Auckland, New Zealand. Those
responsible returned to a hero's welcome and received military decoration.
miguel
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> Subject: French Military Prowess Revisited
You left out France's one and only military victory: the sinking of the
unarmed Greenpeace ship Rainbow Warrior in Auckland, New Zealand. Those
responsible returned to a hero's welcome and received military decoration.
miguel
--
Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu
Feb 13th 2003, 7:50 am
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Re: War without France
In article ,
Jean White wrote:
> Subject: French Military Prowess Revisited
>
> President Bush and Secretary Rumsfeld
> may be upset that the French are not
> "assisting" us in this fight...
What they are actually trying to say, is that they don't give a f%^k
about Nato and the UN.
Lourens
Jean White wrote:
> Subject: French Military Prowess Revisited
>
> President Bush and Secretary Rumsfeld
> may be upset that the French are not
> "assisting" us in this fight...
What they are actually trying to say, is that they don't give a f%^k
about Nato and the UN.
Lourens
Feb 13th 2003, 8:26 am
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Re: War without France
On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:50:12 +0100, Lourens Smak
wrote:
>In article ,
> Jean White wrote:
>> Subject: French Military Prowess Revisited
>>
>> President Bush and Secretary Rumsfeld
>> may be upset that the French are not
>> "assisting" us in this fight...
>What they are actually trying to say, is that they don't give a f%^k
>about Nato and the UN.
>Lourens
And it looks like France, Germany, and Belgium don't give a f%^k about
Turkey.
Gordon
wrote:
>In article ,
> Jean White wrote:
>> Subject: French Military Prowess Revisited
>>
>> President Bush and Secretary Rumsfeld
>> may be upset that the French are not
>> "assisting" us in this fight...
>What they are actually trying to say, is that they don't give a f%^k
>about Nato and the UN.
>Lourens
And it looks like France, Germany, and Belgium don't give a f%^k about
Turkey.
Gordon
Feb 13th 2003, 8:50 am
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Re: War without France
Heard on Fox news this morning;
"French tanks are designed with six gears, five reverse and one forward
in case they get attacked in the rear."
BJ
(Antispam, drop pants to EMail)
All outgoing Emails checked for Virus with Norton.
"French tanks are designed with six gears, five reverse and one forward
in case they get attacked in the rear."
BJ
(Antispam, drop pants to EMail)
All outgoing Emails checked for Virus with Norton.
Feb 13th 2003, 9:43 am
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Re: War without France
le Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:26:19 GMT, dans l'article , Gordon Forbess a dit ...
{ snip }
> And it looks like France, Germany, and Belgium don't give a f%^k about
> Turkey.
Turkey is aiding preparations for a war of aggression. They are not
entitled to a NATO 'defence'.
--
Desmond Coughlan
desmond @ zeouane.org
http: // www . zeouane . org
{ snip }
> And it looks like France, Germany, and Belgium don't give a f%^k about
> Turkey.
Turkey is aiding preparations for a war of aggression. They are not
entitled to a NATO 'defence'.
--
Desmond Coughlan
desmond @ zeouane.org
http: // www . zeouane . org
Feb 13th 2003, 9:46 am
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Re: War without France
Gordon Forbess wrote:
>On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:50:12 +0100, Lourens Smak
>wrote:
>>In article ,
>> Jean White wrote:
>>> Subject: French Military Prowess Revisited
>>>
>>> President Bush and Secretary Rumsfeld
>>> may be upset that the French are not
>>> "assisting" us in this fight...
>>What they are actually trying to say, is that they don't give a f%^k
>>about Nato and the UN.
>And it looks like France, Germany, and Belgium don't give a f%^k about
>Turkey.
Turkey is quite safe unless the US ****s up the situation in the
Middle East.
PB
>On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:50:12 +0100, Lourens Smak
>wrote:
>>In article ,
>> Jean White wrote:
>>> Subject: French Military Prowess Revisited
>>>
>>> President Bush and Secretary Rumsfeld
>>> may be upset that the French are not
>>> "assisting" us in this fight...
>>What they are actually trying to say, is that they don't give a f%^k
>>about Nato and the UN.
>And it looks like France, Germany, and Belgium don't give a f%^k about
>Turkey.
Turkey is quite safe unless the US ****s up the situation in the
Middle East.
PB
Feb 13th 2003, 10:30 am
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Re: War without France
On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 22:43:59 +0000, Desmond Coughlan
wrote:
>Turkey is aiding preparations for a war of aggression. They are not
>entitled to a NATO 'defence'.
Or membership in the EU, according to Mr. Valery Giscard d'Estaing. I
don't think France is making many friends there, either.
Gordon
wrote:
>Turkey is aiding preparations for a war of aggression. They are not
>entitled to a NATO 'defence'.
Or membership in the EU, according to Mr. Valery Giscard d'Estaing. I
don't think France is making many friends there, either.
Gordon
Feb 13th 2003, 10:34 am
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Re: War without France
Magda wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 18:03:05 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, Jean White
> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
> this :
>
>
> ...
> ... The moral of the story is - give thanks
> ... to God on high that the French are not he
>
> Some of them are "she".
>
> =======
> Some people's idea of [free speech] is that they are free to say what
> they like, but if anyone says anything back, that is an outrage. -
> Winston Churchill
hello
what kind of god are you talking about ? not the christian one i think or
you didn't read the same bible as mine.God doesn't choose a side .
French , german , russian , chinese , japanese have not the same god , but
they all want to give peace a chance .You can fight whoever you want ,iraq
, north koréa ,libya etc ;but not in the name of god.You can send bombs on
hospitals , baby food factories , civilian shelters , but not in the name
of god.I don't care how many wars france had win or lost ,i care about what
france have done for humanity.i'm not pride of napoleon or richelieu but
proud of pasteur , curie ,schweitzer ,etc.I don't care about us defeat in
vietnam , I don't care about Us defeat in koréa .Be proud of edison or bell
but not of custer or grant.Do you choose your friends on the money they
have ? why do you choose country on the numbers of weapons they have or on
the number of war they have won.A true friend is not a friend who agrees on
all what you do or say,but who tells you what he sincerely thinks when he
believes you're in a wrong way.You can tell every racist things about
french , but seing that 80 percent of us don't want a war without an UN
resolution make me proud to be one of them.
dominique
news:[email protected]:
> On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 18:03:05 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, Jean White
> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
> this :
>
>
> ...
> ... The moral of the story is - give thanks
> ... to God on high that the French are not he
>
> Some of them are "she".
>
> =======
> Some people's idea of [free speech] is that they are free to say what
> they like, but if anyone says anything back, that is an outrage. -
> Winston Churchill
hello
what kind of god are you talking about ? not the christian one i think or
you didn't read the same bible as mine.God doesn't choose a side .
French , german , russian , chinese , japanese have not the same god , but
they all want to give peace a chance .You can fight whoever you want ,iraq
, north koréa ,libya etc ;but not in the name of god.You can send bombs on
hospitals , baby food factories , civilian shelters , but not in the name
of god.I don't care how many wars france had win or lost ,i care about what
france have done for humanity.i'm not pride of napoleon or richelieu but
proud of pasteur , curie ,schweitzer ,etc.I don't care about us defeat in
vietnam , I don't care about Us defeat in koréa .Be proud of edison or bell
but not of custer or grant.Do you choose your friends on the money they
have ? why do you choose country on the numbers of weapons they have or on
the number of war they have won.A true friend is not a friend who agrees on
all what you do or say,but who tells you what he sincerely thinks when he
believes you're in a wrong way.You can tell every racist things about
french , but seing that 80 percent of us don't want a war without an UN
resolution make me proud to be one of them.
dominique
Feb 13th 2003, 10:36 am
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Re: War without France
In article ,
Gordon Forbess wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:50:12 +0100, Lourens Smak
> wrote:
>
> >In article ,
> > Jean White wrote:
> >
> >> Subject: French Military Prowess Revisited
> >>
> >> President Bush and Secretary Rumsfeld
> >> may be upset that the French are not
> >> "assisting" us in this fight...
> >
> >What they are actually trying to say, is that they don't give a f%^k
> >about Nato and the UN.
> >
> >Lourens
>
> And it looks like France, Germany, and Belgium don't give a f%^k about
> Turkey.
Touche, as they say in France...
How I understand it, is that they don't want to prepare for war, when
war could still be avoided. When the war starts, they will help Turkey
to *defend* itself. Sharing defense-resources is what Nato was created
for; Nato is *not* about members *having to* support a nato-member that
wants to attack another country. The way the US deal with the countries
that are having second thoughts about a possible war is, in my opinion,
a bit childish and extremely arrogant.
The US have already stated the *only* reason for this war is to make the
US influence in the region stronger. Why would we (have to) support
that?
I'm looking forward to what Mr. Blix has to say tomorrow, and the
reactions of various countries to it.
;-)
Lourens
Gordon Forbess wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 21:50:12 +0100, Lourens Smak
> wrote:
>
> >In article ,
> > Jean White wrote:
> >
> >> Subject: French Military Prowess Revisited
> >>
> >> President Bush and Secretary Rumsfeld
> >> may be upset that the French are not
> >> "assisting" us in this fight...
> >
> >What they are actually trying to say, is that they don't give a f%^k
> >about Nato and the UN.
> >
> >Lourens
>
> And it looks like France, Germany, and Belgium don't give a f%^k about
> Turkey.
Touche, as they say in France...
How I understand it, is that they don't want to prepare for war, when
war could still be avoided. When the war starts, they will help Turkey
to *defend* itself. Sharing defense-resources is what Nato was created
for; Nato is *not* about members *having to* support a nato-member that
wants to attack another country. The way the US deal with the countries
that are having second thoughts about a possible war is, in my opinion,
a bit childish and extremely arrogant.
The US have already stated the *only* reason for this war is to make the
US influence in the region stronger. Why would we (have to) support
that?
I'm looking forward to what Mr. Blix has to say tomorrow, and the
reactions of various countries to it.
;-)
Lourens
Feb 13th 2003, 10:52 am
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Re: War without France
le Thu, 13 Feb 2003 23:30:06 GMT, dans l'article , Gordon Forbess a dit ...
>>Turkey is aiding preparations for a war of aggression. They are not
>>entitled to a NATO 'defence'.
> Or membership in the EU, according to Mr. Valery Giscard d'Estaing. I
> don't think France is making many friends there, either.
Cute. Or should I say, 'nice diversion' ?
--
Desmond Coughlan
desmond @ zeouane.org
http: // www . zeouane . org
>>Turkey is aiding preparations for a war of aggression. They are not
>>entitled to a NATO 'defence'.
> Or membership in the EU, according to Mr. Valery Giscard d'Estaing. I
> don't think France is making many friends there, either.
Cute. Or should I say, 'nice diversion' ?
--
Desmond Coughlan
desmond @ zeouane.org
http: // www . zeouane . org
Feb 13th 2003, 10:53 am
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Re: War without France
le Fri, 14 Feb 2003 00:36:42 +0100, dans l'article , Lourens Smak a dit ...=20
{ snip }
>> And it looks like France, Germany, and Belgium don't give a f%^k about
>> Turkey.
> Touche, as they say in France...
To which the response would be, 'O=F9 ?' ;-)
> How I understand it, is that they don't want to prepare for war, when w=
ar
> could still be avoided. When the war starts, they will help Turkey to
> *defend* itself. Sharing defense-resources is what Nato was created for=
;
> Nato is *not* about members *having to* support a nato-member that want=
s
> to attack another country. The way the US deal with the countries that
> are having second thoughts about a possible war is, in my opinion, a bi=
t
> childish and extremely arrogant.=20
Wot he said.
{ snip }
--=20
Desmond Coughlan=20
desmond @ zeouane.org
http: // www . zeouane . org
{ snip }
>> And it looks like France, Germany, and Belgium don't give a f%^k about
>> Turkey.
> Touche, as they say in France...
To which the response would be, 'O=F9 ?' ;-)
> How I understand it, is that they don't want to prepare for war, when w=
ar
> could still be avoided. When the war starts, they will help Turkey to
> *defend* itself. Sharing defense-resources is what Nato was created for=
;
> Nato is *not* about members *having to* support a nato-member that want=
s
> to attack another country. The way the US deal with the countries that
> are having second thoughts about a possible war is, in my opinion, a bi=
t
> childish and extremely arrogant.=20
Wot he said.
{ snip }
--=20
Desmond Coughlan=20
desmond @ zeouane.org
http: // www . zeouane . org
Feb 13th 2003, 11:12 am
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Re: War without France
[email protected] (Miguel Cruz) wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> Jean White wrote:
>> Subject: French Military Prowess Revisited
>
> You left out France's one and only military victory: the sinking of
> the unarmed Greenpeace ship Rainbow Warrior in Auckland, New Zealand.
> Those responsible returned to a hero's welcome and received military
> decoration.
>
> miguel
totally untrue
no hero return and no military decoration but a 5 years banning in new
caledonia island.
What kind of medal did us cia members received in salvador allende murder
in chile , and for the installation of pinochet dictatorship ?
what kind of medal did they received to install the shah in iran , saddam
hussein in iraq .What kind of medal for ben laden money and weapons support
in afghanistan war against the russian.At that time he was a cia agent .was
is probably not the correct word.He is strangely one of the few to survive
the mass bombardment of afghanistan ( according to powell himself , when he
said the tape is from benladen and he support irak) ben laden regognized
the wtc attack but all the us army will attack iraq and let ben laden drink
an orange juice somewhere between afghan and pakistan border.Benladen
soldiers are in an us jail , without any jugment , without any visit from
non gouvernemental organization like the red cross .So nobody can really
know what happened before the wtc attack .No more investigation on ben
laden familly business in us , and the relationshinp between ben laden step
brother and the bush familly .
filou
news:[email protected]:
> Jean White wrote:
>> Subject: French Military Prowess Revisited
>
> You left out France's one and only military victory: the sinking of
> the unarmed Greenpeace ship Rainbow Warrior in Auckland, New Zealand.
> Those responsible returned to a hero's welcome and received military
> decoration.
>
> miguel
totally untrue
no hero return and no military decoration but a 5 years banning in new
caledonia island.
What kind of medal did us cia members received in salvador allende murder
in chile , and for the installation of pinochet dictatorship ?
what kind of medal did they received to install the shah in iran , saddam
hussein in iraq .What kind of medal for ben laden money and weapons support
in afghanistan war against the russian.At that time he was a cia agent .was
is probably not the correct word.He is strangely one of the few to survive
the mass bombardment of afghanistan ( according to powell himself , when he
said the tape is from benladen and he support irak) ben laden regognized
the wtc attack but all the us army will attack iraq and let ben laden drink
an orange juice somewhere between afghan and pakistan border.Benladen
soldiers are in an us jail , without any jugment , without any visit from
non gouvernemental organization like the red cross .So nobody can really
know what happened before the wtc attack .No more investigation on ben
laden familly business in us , and the relationshinp between ben laden step
brother and the bush familly .
filou
