A.Spencer3

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    > On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:02:36 +0100, Tim Challenger
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 11:59:35 +0100, [email protected] wrote:
    > >
    > >> On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:51:07 -0000, "Mark Hewitt"
    > >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >>
    > >>>
    > >>>"Frame" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >>>news:[email protected] e.com...
    > >>>> Please take 8-10 minutes to fill out this Vacation survey. The survey
    > >>>> results are confidential and are for the purposes of a student
    > >>>> project. Please go to the following link:
    > >>>>
    > >>>> http://ws.businessit.ws/wsb.dll/A00238422/vacation.htm
    > >>>>
    > >>>
    > >>>Did it. As usual with these surverys it's very Americanised.. even
though
    > >>>the survey is about Canada! e.g. "Graduated from 4 year
college/university".
    > >>>well my course was 3 years, as is normal in England!
    > >>
    > >> 4 year university courses in UK are not rare.
    > >
    > >I liked the "Grammer School" (sic) entry best.
    > How many people living in Kazakhstan spend a 1 day holiday in British
    > Columbia.

He'll let you know!

Surreyman

nitram

On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 12:22:45 -0000, "Miss L. Toe"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Tim Challenger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:1099396814.itLHmEmoQepQFk7gBGw60w@teranews.. .
    >> On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:40:07 -0000, Miss L. Toe wrote:
    >> >> 4 year university courses in UK are not rare.
    >> >>
    >> >
    >> > But they usually/often lead to an Msc not a Bsc.
    >> Rubbish. The *sometimes* do.
    >> Not most foreign languages or marine biology or joint honours courses.
    >Whats the difference between usually, often and sometimes :-)

The perfect guide will explain to you in private next time you are in
Paris.
--
Martin

nitram

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 12:26:10 GMT, "a.spencer3"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    ><[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected].. .
    >> On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:02:36 +0100, Tim Challenger
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 11:59:35 +0100, [email protected] wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:51:07 -0000, "Mark Hewitt"
    >> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >>>
    >> >>>"Frame" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> >>>news:[email protected] e.com...
    >> >>>> Please take 8-10 minutes to fill out this Vacation survey. The survey
    >> >>>> results are confidential and are for the purposes of a student
    >> >>>> project. Please go to the following link:
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>> http://ws.businessit.ws/wsb.dll/A00238422/vacation.htm
    >> >>>>
    >> >>>
    >> >>>Did it. As usual with these surverys it's very Americanised.. even
    >though
    >> >>>the survey is about Canada! e.g. "Graduated from 4 year
    >college/university".
    >> >>>well my course was 3 years, as is normal in England!
    >> >>
    >> >> 4 year university courses in UK are not rare.
    >> >
    >> >I liked the "Grammer School" (sic) entry best.
    >> How many people living in Kazakhstan spend a 1 day holiday in British
    >> Columbia.
    >He'll let you know!

How many Samoan day trippers will somebody from Kazakhstan on a day
trip to B.C. meet?
--
Martin

A.Spencer3

"Miss L. Toe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "Tim Challenger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:1099396814.itLHmEmoQepQFk7gBGw60w@teranews...
    > > On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:40:07 -0000, Miss L. Toe wrote:
    > >
    > > >> 4 year university courses in UK are not rare.
    > > >>
    > > >
    > > > But they usually/often lead to an Msc not a Bsc.
    > >
    > > Rubbish. The *sometimes* do.
    > > Not most foreign languages or marine biology or joint honours courses.
    > >
    > Whats the difference between usually, often and sometimes :-)
You just ranked them correctly!

Surreyman

nitram

On Tue, 02 Nov 2004 12:30:33 GMT, "a.spencer3"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Miss L. Toe" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >> Whats the difference between usually, often and sometimes :-)
    >You just ranked them correctly!

LOL
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Martin

Tim Challenger

On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 12:14:56 -0000, xz wrote:

    > << 4 year university courses in UK are not rare.
    >
    > But they are in the minority. 3 years really is more usual isn't it? >>
    >
    > Not in Scotland there not.

I didn't know that.
Is that because they allow for sobering-up time in Heriot-Watt ?
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Tim C.

Mark Hewitt

"xz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > << 4 year university courses in UK are not rare.
    > But they are in the minority. 3 years really is more usual isn't it? >>
    > Not in Scotland there not.

Which is why I said 'England' :-)

nitram

On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:37:03 +0100, Tim Challenger
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 12:14:56 -0000, xz wrote:
    >> << 4 year university courses in UK are not rare.
    >>
    >> But they are in the minority. 3 years really is more usual isn't it? >>
    >>
    >> Not in Scotland there not.
    >I didn't know that.
    >Is that because they allow for sobering-up time in Heriot-Watt ?

or is it because there are no fees?
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Martin

nitram

On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 12:40:51 -0000, "Mark Hewitt"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >"xz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> << 4 year university courses in UK are not rare.
    >> But they are in the minority. 3 years really is more usual isn't it? >>
    >> Not in Scotland there not.
    >Which is why I said 'England' :-)
I think the response was to what you quoted, not a contradiction to
what you posted, maybe.

"4 year university courses in UK are not rare."
--
Martin

Iain Bowen

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
    > On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:40:07 -0000, "Miss L. Toe"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >
    > ><[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >news:[email protected].. .
    > >> On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:51:07 -0000, "Mark Hewitt"
    > >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> >
    > >> >"Frame" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >> >news:[email protected]. com...
    > >> >> Please take 8-10 minutes to fill out this Vacation survey. The survey
    > >> >> results are confidential and are for the purposes of a student
    > >> >> project. Please go to the following link:
    > >> >>
    > >> >> http://ws.businessit.ws/wsb.dll/A00238422/vacation.htm
    > >> >>
    > >> >
    > >> >Did it. As usual with these surverys it's very Americanised.. even though
    > >> >the survey is about Canada! e.g. "Graduated from 4 year
    > >college/university".
    > >> >well my course was 3 years, as is normal in England!
    > >>
    > >> 4 year university courses in UK are not rare.
    > >>
    > >
    > >But they usually/often lead to an Msc not a Bsc.
    >
    > 3 or 4 for a first degree plus another 2 for a master.

Not any more.

3 years for a first Batchelors degree
4 years for an undergraduate Masters degree OR Batchelors degree with a
year in industry/year abroad
5 years for an undergraduate Masters degree with a year in industry/year
abroad

Most taught postgraduate Masters are one year, some are two years. They
are differentiated by the type of degree awarded (i.e MA, MPhil)

Iain "works at a major UK University" Bowen

Mark Jones

"Frame" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > Please take 8-10 minutes to fill out this Vacation survey. The survey
    > results are confidential and are for the purposes of a student
    > project. Please go to the following link:
    > http://ws.businessit.ws/wsb.dll/A00238422/vacation.htm
Notice that this appears to be a link to a dll file. I would
avoid this link in case it is a virus or worse.

Nightjar

"Tim Challenger" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 12:14:56 -0000, xz wrote:
    >> << 4 year university courses in UK are not rare.
    >> But they are in the minority. 3 years really is more usual isn't it? >>
    >> Not in Scotland there not.
    > I didn't know that.
    > Is that because they allow for sobering-up time in Heriot-Watt ?

It is because Scottish schools send their pupils to university a year
earlier than English ones. The first year at university is spent in catching
up the difference between Scottish Highers and English A Levels. Anyone with
a good set of A level results can usually get partial or complete exemption
from the first year at a Scottish university.

Colin Bignell

Lennart Petersen

<[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
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    >>> 4 year university courses in UK are not rare.
    >>I liked the "Grammer School" (sic) entry best.
    > How many people living in Kazakhstan spend a 1 day holiday in British
    > Columbia.
    > Martin
Not so many as they usually spend at least a week :-)
Sorry but don't underestimate people from the former Soviet and what's used
to be east Europe.
There's now many with plenty of money and they can easy afford overseas
trips.
In Stockholm Russians are counting for more tax-free sale than people from
U.S and on a cruise in the Carribean recently I found that people from
Bulgaria outnumbered Swedes and other nations.

Bogus Address

    >>>> 4 year university courses in UK are not rare.
    >>> But they are in the minority. 3 years really is more usual isn't it?
    >> Not in Scotland there not.
    > It is because Scottish schools send their pupils to university a year
    > earlier than English ones. The first year at university is spent in catching
    > up the difference between Scottish Highers and English A Levels. Anyone with
    > a good set of A level results can usually get partial or complete exemption
    > from the first year at a Scottish university.

I doubt if any computer science department in Scotland would permit that,
and it wouldn't be much easier in history, literature or any subject
where the department had planned a coherent 4-year curriculum to meet
Scottish needs and ethos.

A Certificate of Sixth Year Studies (or "Higher Still" as I think they
call it now) is roughly the same as an A level and that won't let you
cut a year off your degree course either.

It's not a uniform picture. In some cases (mathematics is the obvious
one) things work the way you say, with first year being at a more basic
level than in England. In others the last ("honours") year is at a more
advanced level and is better preparation for a doctoral course. Depends
on the subject and the institution.

The facts that English A levels have always been available as an option
for Scottish schoolkids to take, and that they're no more popular now
than they were a generation ago, show that they aren't that advantageous.

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"bogus address" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    >>>>> 4 year university courses in UK are not rare.
    >>>> But they are in the minority. 3 years really is more usual isn't it?
    >>> Not in Scotland there not.
    >> It is because Scottish schools send their pupils to university a year
    >> earlier than English ones. The first year at university is spent in
    >> catching
    >> up the difference between Scottish Highers and English A Levels. Anyone
    >> with
    >> a good set of A level results can usually get partial or complete
    >> exemption
    >> from the first year at a Scottish university.
    > I doubt if any computer science department in Scotland would permit that,
    > and it wouldn't be much easier in history, literature or any subject
    > where the department had planned a coherent 4-year curriculum to meet
    > Scottish needs and ethos.
    > A Certificate of Sixth Year Studies (or "Higher Still" as I think they
    > call it now) is roughly the same as an A level and that won't let you
    > cut a year off your degree course either.
    > It's not a uniform picture. In some cases (mathematics is the obvious
    > one) things work the way you say, with first year being at a more basic
    > level than in England. In others the last ("honours") year is at a more
    > advanced level and is better preparation for a doctoral course. Depends
    > on the subject and the institution.
    > The facts that English A levels have always been available as an option
    > for Scottish schoolkids to take, and that they're no more popular now
    > than they were a generation ago, show that they aren't that advantageous.

If that is true, things have changed a lot since I was an undergraduate at
Glasgow University. The Engineering Faculty then ran a summer course in
Technical Drawing, the only subject many people might not have taken at
school, passing which would fast stream you to second year. Obviously, you
needed the right A level grades to be accepted on that course.

The degree courses at Glasgow were very exam orientated when I was there
and, in most courses, progression from one year to the next depended upon
passing the end of year exams. Being allowed to sit those could depend on
passing the previous two term exams as well. Again, a good performance in
the term exams could get you an exemption from the end of year exam, but
only in certain course subjects. It probably was not very difficult to
decide what grade of A level would equate to a first year degree exam pass.

Colin Bignell