US government demands air travellers' personal data
Feb 20th 2003, 4:17 am
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US government demands air travellers' personal data
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/st...899167,00.html
[begin quote]
Jeevan Vasagar
Thursday February 20, 2003
The Guardian
All passengers flying to the US from Britain will have personal
information, including credit card details, handed over to the
American authorities before they set foot on US soil, under a deal
agreed yesterday.
The information a passenger submits to airline computers when buying a
ticket - the passenger name record (PNR) - will be freely available to
customs, immigration and other agencies in the US, where there are no
data protection laws.
This includes basic details a traveller is obliged to give the airline
such as full name, itinerary and contact phone number, but also a
wealth of personal information.
The deal was struck between the European commission and America and is
binding on all British airlines.
Despite fears that the American demand clashed with European data
protection laws, the commission complied after the US authorities had
threatened to stop flights to America.
David Henderson, spokesman for the European Airlines Association,
explained: "The PNR has certain mandatory fields, but it also has a
host of optional fields - special meal request, 'passenger only speaks
French', method of payment, and if payment is by credit card, the card
number.
"There is no real limit to what it can contain. It could say 'this VIP
is chairman of such-and-such a corporation'."
The agreement bypasses European safeguards on the use of personal
data, which require states to make clear for what purpose private
information is being held and to whom it can be passed on, and give
citizens a right of appeal.
US government agencies will have electronic access to the details
before planes arrive. The measures are aimed primarily at preventing
and combating terrorism but will also be used to investigate fraud and
smuggling.
The deal for sharing passenger information was agreed between the US
deputy customs commissioner, Douglas Browning, and commission
officials in Brussels. The requirement will begin on March 5, though a
formal arrangement to share data still has to be approved by EU
governments and the European parliament.
Under US border security legislation passed last year airlines are
required to make available all passengers' details including their
birthdate, citizenship, gender, passport number, country of residence
and address in the US.
Tony Bunyan, editor of the civil liberties group State watch, said:
"Why should people hold information on us if we've done nothing wrong?
This could be used against people wanting to go to a political
demonstration.
"Someone who is up to no good is going to find a way around it by
having a false identity."
Simon Davies, director of the independent watchdog Privacy
International, warned there was wide scope for abuse of personal
information. "This is a backroom deal. The information once in the
hands of the US will leak like a sieve.
"Anybody who is of a particular ethnic origin could be routinely
suspect, anybody who is caught up in an intelligence sweep, or law
enforcement data matching exercise, could find themselves subject to
US law without any hope of appeal or representation."
US customs did not respond to inquiries yesterday.
[end quote]
[begin quote]
Jeevan Vasagar
Thursday February 20, 2003
The Guardian
All passengers flying to the US from Britain will have personal
information, including credit card details, handed over to the
American authorities before they set foot on US soil, under a deal
agreed yesterday.
The information a passenger submits to airline computers when buying a
ticket - the passenger name record (PNR) - will be freely available to
customs, immigration and other agencies in the US, where there are no
data protection laws.
This includes basic details a traveller is obliged to give the airline
such as full name, itinerary and contact phone number, but also a
wealth of personal information.
The deal was struck between the European commission and America and is
binding on all British airlines.
Despite fears that the American demand clashed with European data
protection laws, the commission complied after the US authorities had
threatened to stop flights to America.
David Henderson, spokesman for the European Airlines Association,
explained: "The PNR has certain mandatory fields, but it also has a
host of optional fields - special meal request, 'passenger only speaks
French', method of payment, and if payment is by credit card, the card
number.
"There is no real limit to what it can contain. It could say 'this VIP
is chairman of such-and-such a corporation'."
The agreement bypasses European safeguards on the use of personal
data, which require states to make clear for what purpose private
information is being held and to whom it can be passed on, and give
citizens a right of appeal.
US government agencies will have electronic access to the details
before planes arrive. The measures are aimed primarily at preventing
and combating terrorism but will also be used to investigate fraud and
smuggling.
The deal for sharing passenger information was agreed between the US
deputy customs commissioner, Douglas Browning, and commission
officials in Brussels. The requirement will begin on March 5, though a
formal arrangement to share data still has to be approved by EU
governments and the European parliament.
Under US border security legislation passed last year airlines are
required to make available all passengers' details including their
birthdate, citizenship, gender, passport number, country of residence
and address in the US.
Tony Bunyan, editor of the civil liberties group State watch, said:
"Why should people hold information on us if we've done nothing wrong?
This could be used against people wanting to go to a political
demonstration.
"Someone who is up to no good is going to find a way around it by
having a false identity."
Simon Davies, director of the independent watchdog Privacy
International, warned there was wide scope for abuse of personal
information. "This is a backroom deal. The information once in the
hands of the US will leak like a sieve.
"Anybody who is of a particular ethnic origin could be routinely
suspect, anybody who is caught up in an intelligence sweep, or law
enforcement data matching exercise, could find themselves subject to
US law without any hope of appeal or representation."
US customs did not respond to inquiries yesterday.
[end quote]
Feb 20th 2003, 6:22 am
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Re: US government demands air travellers' personal data
On 20 Feb 2003 09:17:35 -0800, [email protected] (Jo Stoller)
wrote:
>http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/st...899167,00.html
>[begin quote]
>Jeevan Vasagar
>Thursday February 20, 2003
>The Guardian
>All passengers flying to the US from Britain will have personal
>information, including credit card details, handed over to the
>American authorities before they set foot on US soil, under a deal
>agreed yesterday.
>The information a passenger submits to airline computers when buying a
>ticket - the passenger name record (PNR) - will be freely available to
>customs, immigration and other agencies in the US, where there are no
>data protection laws.
not surprising really as there are so many illegal immigrants with
bogus paperwork.
If Al Queada are planning someting makes sense.
wrote:
>http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/st...899167,00.html
>[begin quote]
>Jeevan Vasagar
>Thursday February 20, 2003
>The Guardian
>All passengers flying to the US from Britain will have personal
>information, including credit card details, handed over to the
>American authorities before they set foot on US soil, under a deal
>agreed yesterday.
>The information a passenger submits to airline computers when buying a
>ticket - the passenger name record (PNR) - will be freely available to
>customs, immigration and other agencies in the US, where there are no
>data protection laws.
not surprising really as there are so many illegal immigrants with
bogus paperwork.
If Al Queada are planning someting makes sense.
Feb 20th 2003, 7:25 am
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Is it worth visiting the US with all of this bull**it? I'd rather go where
tourists are welcomed instead of being treated like criminals
"Tarzan" wrote in message
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> On 20 Feb 2003 09:17:35 -0800, [email protected] (Jo Stoller)
> wrote:
> >http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/st...899167,00.html
> >
> >[begin quote]
> >
> >Jeevan Vasagar
> >Thursday February 20, 2003
> >The Guardian
> >
> >All passengers flying to the US from Britain will have personal
> >information, including credit card details, handed over to the
> >American authorities before they set foot on US soil, under a deal
> >agreed yesterday.
> >The information a passenger submits to airline computers when buying a
> >ticket - the passenger name record (PNR) - will be freely available to
> >customs, immigration and other agencies in the US, where there are no
> >data protection laws.
> not surprising really as there are so many illegal immigrants with
> bogus paperwork.
> If Al Queada are planning someting makes sense.
tourists are welcomed instead of being treated like criminals
"Tarzan" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 20 Feb 2003 09:17:35 -0800, [email protected] (Jo Stoller)
> wrote:
> >http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/st...899167,00.html
> >
> >[begin quote]
> >
> >Jeevan Vasagar
> >Thursday February 20, 2003
> >The Guardian
> >
> >All passengers flying to the US from Britain will have personal
> >information, including credit card details, handed over to the
> >American authorities before they set foot on US soil, under a deal
> >agreed yesterday.
> >The information a passenger submits to airline computers when buying a
> >ticket - the passenger name record (PNR) - will be freely available to
> >customs, immigration and other agencies in the US, where there are no
> >data protection laws.
> not surprising really as there are so many illegal immigrants with
> bogus paperwork.
> If Al Queada are planning someting makes sense.
Feb 20th 2003, 8:15 am
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Re: US government demands air travellers' personal data
Jo Stoller wrote:
> All passengers flying to the US from Britain will have personal
> information, including credit card details, handed over to the
> American authorities before they set foot on US soil, under a deal
> agreed yesterday.
That is appaling. I suspect Canada and others will be forced to follow suit.
I guess you'll start to see more people paying cash unless the airlines move
the payment information to some other record not transmitted to the USA.
One thing for sure, I would want to have some "interesting" test added to the
PNR if you know they will be looking it it. "Dear CIA agent, smile if you had
sex this morning".
> All passengers flying to the US from Britain will have personal
> information, including credit card details, handed over to the
> American authorities before they set foot on US soil, under a deal
> agreed yesterday.
That is appaling. I suspect Canada and others will be forced to follow suit.
I guess you'll start to see more people paying cash unless the airlines move
the payment information to some other record not transmitted to the USA.
One thing for sure, I would want to have some "interesting" test added to the
PNR if you know they will be looking it it. "Dear CIA agent, smile if you had
sex this morning".
Feb 20th 2003, 9:01 am
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Re: US government demands air travellers' personal data
In article , Jo Stoller
writes
>All passengers flying to the US from Britain will have personal
>information, including credit card details, handed over to the
>American authorities before they set foot on US soil, under a deal
>agreed yesterday.
I do not use a credit card.
>The information a passenger submits to airline computers when buying a
>ticket - the passenger name record (PNR) - will be freely available to
>customs, immigration and other agencies in the US, where there are no
>data protection laws.
>This includes basic details a traveller is obliged to give the airline
>such as full name, itinerary and contact phone number, but also a
>wealth of personal information.
I have never given an airline a contact phone number.
>The deal was struck between the European commission and America and is
>binding on all British airlines.
>Despite fears that the American demand clashed with European data
>protection laws, the commission complied after the US authorities had
>threatened to stop flights to America.
What a great idea.
>David Henderson, spokesman for the European Airlines Association,
>explained: "The PNR has certain mandatory fields, but it also has a
>host of optional fields - special meal request, 'passenger only speaks
>French', method of payment, and if payment is by credit card, the card
>number.
>"There is no real limit to what it can contain. It could say 'this VIP
>is chairman of such-and-such a corporation'."
>The agreement bypasses European safeguards on the use of personal
>data, which require states to make clear for what purpose private
>information is being held and to whom it can be passed on, and give
>citizens a right of appeal.
>US government agencies will have electronic access to the details
>before planes arrive. The measures are aimed primarily at preventing
>and combating terrorism but will also be used to investigate fraud and
>smuggling.
>The deal for sharing passenger information was agreed between the US
>deputy customs commissioner, Douglas Browning, and commission
>officials in Brussels. The requirement will begin on March 5, though a
>formal arrangement to share data still has to be approved by EU
>governments and the European parliament.
>Under US border security legislation passed last year airlines are
>required to make available all passengers' details including their
>birthdate, citizenship, gender, passport number, country of residence
>and address in the US.
>Tony Bunyan, editor of the civil liberties group State watch, said:
>"Why should people hold information on us if we've done nothing wrong?
>This could be used against people wanting to go to a political
>demonstration.
>"Someone who is up to no good is going to find a way around it by
>having a false identity."
>Simon Davies, director of the independent watchdog Privacy
>International, warned there was wide scope for abuse of personal
>information. "This is a backroom deal. The information once in the
>hands of the US will leak like a sieve.
>"Anybody who is of a particular ethnic origin could be routinely
>suspect, anybody who is caught up in an intelligence sweep, or law
>enforcement data matching exercise, could find themselves subject to
>US law without any hope of appeal or representation."
>US customs did not respond to inquiries yesterday.
>[end quote]
There it is then. I shall certainly never go back to the USA while this
is in force.
--
Marie Lewis
writes
>All passengers flying to the US from Britain will have personal
>information, including credit card details, handed over to the
>American authorities before they set foot on US soil, under a deal
>agreed yesterday.
I do not use a credit card.
>The information a passenger submits to airline computers when buying a
>ticket - the passenger name record (PNR) - will be freely available to
>customs, immigration and other agencies in the US, where there are no
>data protection laws.
>This includes basic details a traveller is obliged to give the airline
>such as full name, itinerary and contact phone number, but also a
>wealth of personal information.
I have never given an airline a contact phone number.
>The deal was struck between the European commission and America and is
>binding on all British airlines.
>Despite fears that the American demand clashed with European data
>protection laws, the commission complied after the US authorities had
>threatened to stop flights to America.
What a great idea.
>David Henderson, spokesman for the European Airlines Association,
>explained: "The PNR has certain mandatory fields, but it also has a
>host of optional fields - special meal request, 'passenger only speaks
>French', method of payment, and if payment is by credit card, the card
>number.
>"There is no real limit to what it can contain. It could say 'this VIP
>is chairman of such-and-such a corporation'."
>The agreement bypasses European safeguards on the use of personal
>data, which require states to make clear for what purpose private
>information is being held and to whom it can be passed on, and give
>citizens a right of appeal.
>US government agencies will have electronic access to the details
>before planes arrive. The measures are aimed primarily at preventing
>and combating terrorism but will also be used to investigate fraud and
>smuggling.
>The deal for sharing passenger information was agreed between the US
>deputy customs commissioner, Douglas Browning, and commission
>officials in Brussels. The requirement will begin on March 5, though a
>formal arrangement to share data still has to be approved by EU
>governments and the European parliament.
>Under US border security legislation passed last year airlines are
>required to make available all passengers' details including their
>birthdate, citizenship, gender, passport number, country of residence
>and address in the US.
>Tony Bunyan, editor of the civil liberties group State watch, said:
>"Why should people hold information on us if we've done nothing wrong?
>This could be used against people wanting to go to a political
>demonstration.
>"Someone who is up to no good is going to find a way around it by
>having a false identity."
>Simon Davies, director of the independent watchdog Privacy
>International, warned there was wide scope for abuse of personal
>information. "This is a backroom deal. The information once in the
>hands of the US will leak like a sieve.
>"Anybody who is of a particular ethnic origin could be routinely
>suspect, anybody who is caught up in an intelligence sweep, or law
>enforcement data matching exercise, could find themselves subject to
>US law without any hope of appeal or representation."
>US customs did not respond to inquiries yesterday.
>[end quote]
There it is then. I shall certainly never go back to the USA while this
is in force.
--
Marie Lewis
Feb 20th 2003, 9:02 am
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In article ,
Tony writes
>Is it worth visiting the US with all of this bull**it? I'd rather go where
>tourists are welcomed instead of being treated like criminals
Here, here!
>"Tarzan" wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On 20 Feb 2003 09:17:35 -0800, [email protected] (Jo Stoller)
>> wrote:
>> >http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/st...899167,00.html
>> >
>> >[begin quote]
>> >
>> >Jeevan Vasagar
>> >Thursday February 20, 2003
>> >The Guardian
>> >
>> >All passengers flying to the US from Britain will have personal
>> >information, including credit card details, handed over to the
>> >American authorities before they set foot on US soil, under a deal
>> >agreed yesterday.
>> >The information a passenger submits to airline computers when buying a
>> >ticket - the passenger name record (PNR) - will be freely available to
>> >customs, immigration and other agencies in the US, where there are no
>> >data protection laws.
>> not surprising really as there are so many illegal immigrants with
>> bogus paperwork.
>> If Al Queada are planning someting makes sense.
--
Marie Lewis
Tony writes
>Is it worth visiting the US with all of this bull**it? I'd rather go where
>tourists are welcomed instead of being treated like criminals
Here, here!
>"Tarzan" wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On 20 Feb 2003 09:17:35 -0800, [email protected] (Jo Stoller)
>> wrote:
>> >http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/st...899167,00.html
>> >
>> >[begin quote]
>> >
>> >Jeevan Vasagar
>> >Thursday February 20, 2003
>> >The Guardian
>> >
>> >All passengers flying to the US from Britain will have personal
>> >information, including credit card details, handed over to the
>> >American authorities before they set foot on US soil, under a deal
>> >agreed yesterday.
>> >The information a passenger submits to airline computers when buying a
>> >ticket - the passenger name record (PNR) - will be freely available to
>> >customs, immigration and other agencies in the US, where there are no
>> >data protection laws.
>> not surprising really as there are so many illegal immigrants with
>> bogus paperwork.
>> If Al Queada are planning someting makes sense.
--
Marie Lewis
Feb 20th 2003, 9:29 am
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Jenn wrote:
> since the most effective way to screen for terrorists is not to see if
> passengers are carrying pocket knives but to KNOW who the passengers
> are, this need to have actual data e.g. passport data ahead of time
> makes sense. Or would you prefer that everyone sit and wait after
> arrival while this data is checked?
Sending of passport data ahead of landing has been a requirement by the USA
since not too long after 9-11.
What they want now is your credit card number.
> since the most effective way to screen for terrorists is not to see if
> passengers are carrying pocket knives but to KNOW who the passengers
> are, this need to have actual data e.g. passport data ahead of time
> makes sense. Or would you prefer that everyone sit and wait after
> arrival while this data is checked?
Sending of passport data ahead of landing has been a requirement by the USA
since not too long after 9-11.
What they want now is your credit card number.
Feb 20th 2003, 9:49 am
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In article ,
JF Mezei wrote:
> Jo Stoller wrote:
> > All passengers flying to the US from Britain will have personal
> > information, including credit card details, handed over to the
> > American authorities before they set foot on US soil, under a deal
> > agreed yesterday.
>
> That is appaling. I suspect Canada and others will be forced to follow suit.
>
> I guess you'll start to see more people paying cash unless the airlines move
> the payment information to some other record not transmitted to the USA.
>
> One thing for sure, I would want to have some "interesting" test added to the
> PNR if you know they will be looking it it. "Dear CIA agent, smile if you had
> sex this morning".
since the most effective way to screen for terrorists is not to see if
passengers are carrying pocket knives but to KNOW who the passengers
are, this need to have actual data e.g. passport data ahead of time
makes sense. Or would you prefer that everyone sit and wait after
arrival while this data is checked?
JF Mezei wrote:
> Jo Stoller wrote:
> > All passengers flying to the US from Britain will have personal
> > information, including credit card details, handed over to the
> > American authorities before they set foot on US soil, under a deal
> > agreed yesterday.
>
> That is appaling. I suspect Canada and others will be forced to follow suit.
>
> I guess you'll start to see more people paying cash unless the airlines move
> the payment information to some other record not transmitted to the USA.
>
> One thing for sure, I would want to have some "interesting" test added to the
> PNR if you know they will be looking it it. "Dear CIA agent, smile if you had
> sex this morning".
since the most effective way to screen for terrorists is not to see if
passengers are carrying pocket knives but to KNOW who the passengers
are, this need to have actual data e.g. passport data ahead of time
makes sense. Or would you prefer that everyone sit and wait after
arrival while this data is checked?
Feb 20th 2003, 7:11 pm
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On 20 Feb 2003 09:17:35 -0800, [email protected] (Jo Stoller) wrote:
>All passengers flying to the US from Britain will have personal
>information, including credit card details, handed over to the
>American authorities before they set foot on US soil, under a deal
>agreed yesterday.
What's with the will have that information is already being sent and has been
for ages. Just you wait until one of the new systems gets taken up that sort
of information will be going in all directions between many countries.
--
Lansbury
www.uk-air.net
>All passengers flying to the US from Britain will have personal
>information, including credit card details, handed over to the
>American authorities before they set foot on US soil, under a deal
>agreed yesterday.
What's with the will have that information is already being sent and has been
for ages. Just you wait until one of the new systems gets taken up that sort
of information will be going in all directions between many countries.
--
Lansbury
www.uk-air.net
Feb 21st 2003, 12:29 am
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Marie Lewis wrote:
>
> In article ,
> Tony writes
> >Is it worth visiting the US with all of this bull**it? I'd rather go where
> >tourists are welcomed instead of being treated like criminals
> >
>
> Here, here!
Shouldn't that be "Hear, hear!"?
Barbara
>
> In article ,
> Tony writes
> >Is it worth visiting the US with all of this bull**it? I'd rather go where
> >tourists are welcomed instead of being treated like criminals
> >
>
> Here, here!
Shouldn't that be "Hear, hear!"?
Barbara
Feb 21st 2003, 12:37 am
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Barbara Vaughan wrote:
>Marie Lewis wrote:
>>
>> In article ,
>> Tony writes
>> >Is it worth visiting the US with all of this bull**it? I'd rather go where
>> >tourists are welcomed instead of being treated like criminals
>> >
>>
>> Here, here!
>Shouldn't that be "Hear, hear!"?
I suspect that Marie was suggesting that we visit the UK.
PB
>Marie Lewis wrote:
>>
>> In article ,
>> Tony writes
>> >Is it worth visiting the US with all of this bull**it? I'd rather go where
>> >tourists are welcomed instead of being treated like criminals
>> >
>>
>> Here, here!
>Shouldn't that be "Hear, hear!"?
I suspect that Marie was suggesting that we visit the UK.
PB
Feb 21st 2003, 12:48 am
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"Barbara Vaughan" wrote in message
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> Marie Lewis wrote:
> >
> > In article ,
> > Tony writes
> > >Is it worth visiting the US with all of this bull**it? I'd rather go
where
> > >tourists are welcomed instead of being treated like criminals
> > >
> >
> > Here, here!
> Shouldn't that be "Hear, hear!"?
> Barbara
I've always wondered about that - I tend to go with the Here, Here .
But the Brits are notororiousley atrocious at speeling in there one
langwage.
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> Marie Lewis wrote:
> >
> > In article ,
> > Tony writes
> > >Is it worth visiting the US with all of this bull**it? I'd rather go
where
> > >tourists are welcomed instead of being treated like criminals
> > >
> >
> > Here, here!
> Shouldn't that be "Hear, hear!"?
> Barbara
I've always wondered about that - I tend to go with the Here, Here .
But the Brits are notororiousley atrocious at speeling in there one
langwage.
Feb 21st 2003, 2:08 am
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In article , [email protected]
(Miss L.Toe) wrote:
>
> "Barbara Vaughan" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> >
> > Marie Lewis wrote:
> > >
> > > In article
> > > ,
> > > Tony writes
> > > >Is it worth visiting the US with all of this bull**it? I'd rather
> > > go
> where
> > > >tourists are welcomed instead of being treated like criminals
> > > >
> > >
> > > Here, here!
> >
> > Shouldn't that be "Hear, hear!"?
> >
> > Barbara
>
> I've always wondered about that - I tend to go with the Here, Here .
> But the Brits are notororiousley atrocious at speeling in there one
> langwage.
>
>
It should be "hear", as Barbara says. Though "here" actually makes a kind
of sense in the context!
(Miss L.Toe) wrote:
>
> "Barbara Vaughan" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> >
> > Marie Lewis wrote:
> > >
> > > In article
> > > ,
> > > Tony writes
> > > >Is it worth visiting the US with all of this bull**it? I'd rather
> > > go
> where
> > > >tourists are welcomed instead of being treated like criminals
> > > >
> > >
> > > Here, here!
> >
> > Shouldn't that be "Hear, hear!"?
> >
> > Barbara
>
> I've always wondered about that - I tend to go with the Here, Here .
> But the Brits are notororiousley atrocious at speeling in there one
> langwage.
>
>
It should be "hear", as Barbara says. Though "here" actually makes a kind
of sense in the context!
Feb 21st 2003, 3:37 am
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On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:48:39 +0000, Miss L.Toe wrote:
>
> "Barbara Vaughan" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Marie Lewis wrote:
>> >
>> > In article ,
>> > Tony writes
>> > >Is it worth visiting the US with all of this bull**it? I'd rather go
> where
>> > >tourists are welcomed instead of being treated like criminals
>> > >
>> >
>> > Here, here!
>> Shouldn't that be "Hear, hear!"?
>> Barbara
>
> I've always wondered about that - I tend to go with the Here, Here .
> But the Brits are notororiousley atrocious at speeling in there one
> langwage.
Barbara is right, I believe. In French, it would have been the old French
Oyez, oyez.
Which the city guy (in charge of announcing notices, how was he called?)
would go shouting in the city before his announcment.
>
> "Barbara Vaughan" wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Marie Lewis wrote:
>> >
>> > In article ,
>> > Tony writes
>> > >Is it worth visiting the US with all of this bull**it? I'd rather go
> where
>> > >tourists are welcomed instead of being treated like criminals
>> > >
>> >
>> > Here, here!
>> Shouldn't that be "Hear, hear!"?
>> Barbara
>
> I've always wondered about that - I tend to go with the Here, Here .
> But the Brits are notororiousley atrocious at speeling in there one
> langwage.
Barbara is right, I believe. In French, it would have been the old French
Oyez, oyez.
Which the city guy (in charge of announcing notices, how was he called?)
would go shouting in the city before his announcment.
Feb 21st 2003, 3:52 am
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Re: US government demands air travellers' personal data
devil wrote:
>
> On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:48:39 +0000, Miss L.Toe wrote:
>
> >
> > "Barbara Vaughan" wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >>
> >>
> >> Marie Lewis wrote:
> >> >
> >> > In article ,
> >> > Tony writes
> >> > >Is it worth visiting the US with all of this bull**it? I'd rather go
> > where
> >> > >tourists are welcomed instead of being treated like criminals
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > Here, here!
> >>
> >> Shouldn't that be "Hear, hear!"?
> >>
> >> Barbara
> >
> > I've always wondered about that - I tend to go with the Here, Here .
> > But the Brits are notororiousley atrocious at speeling in there one
> > langwage.
>
> Barbara is right, I believe. In French, it would have been the old French
> Oyez, oyez.
And Marie ought to know that, oughtn't she?
Maybe she meant to say, "there, there."
Barbara
>
> Which the city guy (in charge of announcing notices, how was he called?)
> would go shouting in the city before his announcment.
>
> On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 13:48:39 +0000, Miss L.Toe wrote:
>
> >
> > "Barbara Vaughan" wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> >>
> >>
> >> Marie Lewis wrote:
> >> >
> >> > In article ,
> >> > Tony writes
> >> > >Is it worth visiting the US with all of this bull**it? I'd rather go
> > where
> >> > >tourists are welcomed instead of being treated like criminals
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > Here, here!
> >>
> >> Shouldn't that be "Hear, hear!"?
> >>
> >> Barbara
> >
> > I've always wondered about that - I tend to go with the Here, Here .
> > But the Brits are notororiousley atrocious at speeling in there one
> > langwage.
>
> Barbara is right, I believe. In French, it would have been the old French
> Oyez, oyez.
And Marie ought to know that, oughtn't she?
Maybe she meant to say, "there, there."
Barbara
>
> Which the city guy (in charge of announcing notices, how was he called?)
> would go shouting in the city before his announcment.
