The Reid

Nice idea the Tories are playing with, "green" policy of one foreign
leisure trip a year! Don't suppose it will get much further?
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Frank F. Matthews

The Reid wrote:

> Nice idea the Tories are playing with, "green" policy of one foreign
> leisure trip a year! Don't suppose it will get much further?

I wonder how they could manage to enforce it? Ireland in particular
would pose a serious problem in enforcement.

Would they apply the restriction to foreign citizens resident in the UK?

Perhaps they could start with restricting business travel into as well
as out of the UK. And limit foreigners to only one UK visit in a
calendar year?

Yves Bellefeuille

On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, The Reid wrote:

> Nice idea the Tories are playing with, "green" policy of one foreign
> leisure trip a year! Don't suppose it will get much further?

Wouldn't a limit on trips abroad just slightly contradict the principle of
freedom of circulation within the EU?

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Padraig Breathnach

Yves Bellefeuille <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, The Reid wrote:
>
>> Nice idea the Tories are playing with, "green" policy of one foreign
>> leisure trip a year! Don't suppose it will get much further?
>
>Wouldn't a limit on trips abroad just slightly contradict the principle of
>freedom of circulation within the EU?

No problem. Define "foreign" as being outside the EU.

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Tom Peel

Frank F. Matthews schrieb:
>
>
> The Reid wrote:
>
>> Nice idea the Tories are playing with, "green" policy of one foreign
>> leisure trip a year! Don't suppose it will get much further?
>
> I wonder how they could manage to enforce it? Ireland in particular
> would pose a serious problem in enforcement.
>
> Would they apply the restriction to foreign citizens resident in the UK?
>
> Perhaps they could start with restricting business travel into as well
> as out of the UK. And limit foreigners to only one UK visit in a
> calendar year?
>
Those of us old enough to remember will recall the days of the Wilson
government when you were allowed to spend a maximum of 50 pounds a year
travelling outside of the UK.

T.

-Iceman

On Mar 22, 11:29 am, The Reid <[email protected]> wrote:
> Nice idea the Tories are playing with, "green" policy of one foreign
> leisure trip a year! Don't suppose it will get much further?


It would make such a tiny difference in global warming that it's not
even worth considering, not to mention that I can't see the British
public as standing for that restriction and becoming willing to
vacation in Blackpool instead of Spain and Greece and Thailand and
Eastern Europe. A more serious approach to global warming should
focus on mass transit and clean power generation. Cars, home heating,
and fossil fuel-based power plants are far larger contributors to
global warming than stag parties in Prague.

No one country can stop global warming. England's entire population
could become vegans dependent on wind power, but if the US, Chinese
and Indians keep polluting like crazy, it wouldn't really matter.

The Reid

On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 23:07:20 +0100, Tom Peel <[email protected]>
wrote:

> Those of us old enough to remember will recall the days of the Wilson
>government when you were allowed to spend a maximum of 50 pounds a year
>travelling outside of the UK.

I do.
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The Reid

On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 22:03:10 +0000, Padraig Breathnach
<[email protected]> wrote:

>>Wouldn't a limit on trips abroad just slightly contradict the principle of
>>freedom of circulation within the EU?
>
>No problem. Define "foreign" as being outside the EU.

suits me, make it none a year! :-)
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The Reid

On 22 Mar 2007 15:55:06 -0700, "Iceman" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Cars, home heating,
>and fossil fuel-based power plants are far larger contributors to
>global warming than stag parties in Prague.

except its the growing part. Its hard to give up what you are used to,
easier to not start assuming flying all the time is viable.
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-John

"The Reid" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 22 Mar 2007 15:55:06 -0700, "Iceman" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>Cars, home heating,
>>and fossil fuel-based power plants are far larger contributors to
>>global warming than stag parties in Prague.
>
> except its the growing part. Its hard to give up what you are used to,
> easier to not start assuming flying all the time is viable.

I thought a natural "evolution" for want of a better phrase was that as time
progresses, living gets better for each successive generation. For instance,
we don't send kids up chimneys anymore and we don't have slavery anymore
because we've come beyond all that.

I remember when all my parents could afford was a week in Blackpool but I
like to think that things have progressed beyond that now for my wife and I.
For the last 12 years we have left our home in Lancashire and driven (yes,
driven - what criminals we are, all that petrol and carbon dioxide) to and
around the Czech Republic and Poland for our annual holidays and we have *no
intention whatsoever* of not doing so. And if we want to fly further afield,
we will.

I've no doubt whatsoever that global warming is happening but I really do
*not* believe that anything we do is causing it, but rather it is a natural,
cyclic phenomenon.

What I really see it as is that travel used to be just for the rich and now
they don't like it that the average working Joe Bloggs can get on a plane
and jet off anywhere. They want us put in our place again and they'll not
rest until we've gone back 50 years to being grateful for a week in
Blackpool.

John

Padraig Breathnach

"John" <[email protected]> wrote:

>I've no doubt whatsoever that global warming is happening but I really do
>*not* believe that anything we do is causing it, but rather it is a natural,
>cyclic phenomenon.
>
What are your qualifications for going against the prevailing
consensus among scientists who work in that area?

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The Reid

On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:13:06 -0000, "John" <[email protected]> wrote:

>> except its the growing part. Its hard to give up what you are used to,
>> easier to not start assuming flying all the time is viable.
>
>I thought a natural "evolution" for want of a better phrase was that as time
>progresses, living gets better for each successive generation.

there is no such law of science. There is no guarantee we
automatically move forward. We are coming up against the problems of
overpopulation, pollution and dwindling resources.

>I remember when all my parents could afford was a week in Blackpool but I
>like to think that things have progressed beyond that now for my wife and I.
>For the last 12 years we have left our home in Lancashire and driven (yes,
>driven - what criminals we are, all that petrol and carbon dioxide) to and
>around the Czech Republic and Poland for our annual holidays and we have *no
>intention whatsoever* of not doing so. And if we want to fly further afield,
>we will.

OK, you're just saying "I want to do this and I don't care about the
consequences", what does that prove?

>I've no doubt whatsoever that global warming is happening but I really do
>*not* believe that anything we do is causing it, but rather it is a natural,
>cyclic phenomenon.

because its a necessary act of faith for you (and Bush), despite what
science says.

>What I really see it as is that travel used to be just for the rich and now
>they don't like it that the average working Joe Bloggs can get on a plane
>and jet off anywhere. They want us put in our place again and they'll not
>rest until we've gone back 50 years to being grateful for a week in
>Blackpool.

Why would they want that? To lose money for tourism, a massive
business? To lose votes? I think that's just a weak conspiracy theory
to avoid considering the truth.

Why would politicians try to take massively unpopular action in a
democracy unless they see it as essential?
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Mike Reid
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-John

"Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "John" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I've no doubt whatsoever that global warming is happening but I really do
>>*not* believe that anything we do is causing it, but rather it is a
>>natural,
>>cyclic phenomenon.
>>
> What are your qualifications for going against the prevailing
> consensus among scientists who work in that area?

None whatsoever mate, just fed up of being told what I can and cannot do. I
work hard all year round and the one thing that keeps me going is looking
forward to my annual holidays. I am taxed until I squeak, I already pay road
tax, petrol tax, air tax etc., etc., etc and this is just a way of getting
more out of me (landfill tax, lightbulb tax etc).

I am a working man who has got above his station by having the audacity to
travel and the rich want to put me in my place again - that's what they're
doing under the heading of "global warming".

Then, of course, there's the *fact* that Mars is getting hotter as well -
not seen any aircraft or cars up there recently, have you?

Oh, and the fact that at 60-years old, I'll probably be dead in 30 years or
less and I don't give a toss about what happens to the environment when I'm
dead

John

Padraig Breathnach

"John" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .

>> What are your qualifications for going against the prevailing
>> consensus among scientists who work in that area?
>
>None whatsoever mate, just fed up of being told what I can and cannot do. I
>work hard all year round and the one thing that keeps me going is looking
>forward to my annual holidays. I am taxed until I squeak, I already pay road
>tax, petrol tax, air tax etc., etc., etc and this is just a way of getting
>more out of me (landfill tax, lightbulb tax etc).
>
>I am a working man who has got above his station by having the audacity to
>travel and the rich want to put me in my place again - that's what they're
>doing under the heading of "global warming".
>
>Then, of course, there's the *fact* that Mars is getting hotter as well -
>not seen any aircraft or cars up there recently, have you?
>
>Oh, and the fact that at 60-years old, I'll probably be dead in 30 years or
>less and I don't give a toss about what happens to the environment when I'm
>dead
>
I think the key part of your response is "I don't give a toss". It's a
big jump from that to promulgating on science.

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-John

"Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "John" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>"Padraig Breathnach" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]. ..
>
>>> What are your qualifications for going against the prevailing
>>> consensus among scientists who work in that area?
>>
>>None whatsoever mate, just fed up of being told what I can and cannot do.
>>I
>>work hard all year round and the one thing that keeps me going is looking
>>forward to my annual holidays. I am taxed until I squeak, I already pay
>>road
>>tax, petrol tax, air tax etc., etc., etc and this is just a way of getting
>>more out of me (landfill tax, lightbulb tax etc).
>>
>>I am a working man who has got above his station by having the audacity to
>>travel and the rich want to put me in my place again - that's what they're
>>doing under the heading of "global warming".
>>
>>Then, of course, there's the *fact* that Mars is getting hotter as well -
>>not seen any aircraft or cars up there recently, have you?
>>
>>Oh, and the fact that at 60-years old, I'll probably be dead in 30 years
>>or
>>less and I don't give a toss about what happens to the environment when
>>I'm
>>dead
>>
> I think the key part of your response is "I don't give a toss". It's a
> big jump from that to promulgating on science.

Quite so, my friend, but have a look at

http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...ge_031208.html and

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...s-warming.html

and many others that googling brings up.

John