UK business travellers
Dec 7th 2006, 10:16 am
#46
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Re: UK business travellers
On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 22:55:21 +0000, [email protected]
(David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
deansgate) wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 19:28:08 +0000, [email protected]
>> (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
>> deansgate) wrote:
>[]
>> >My only problem with them was when they were delayed with fog, and I was
>> >annoyed with how slow they were to deal with the reboooking of
>> >passengers. However, how do they actually compare with the non-budget
>> >airlines in terms of reliability/overbooking etc.? I exclude the
>> >non-budget as their reliability is understandably very high.
>>
>> My experience of KLM on scheduled flights A'dam Paris, A'dam Toulouse,
>> A'dam Milan, A'dam Turin, A'dam Rome was bloody awful. On both the
>> Toulouse and Turin routes planes were frequently cancelled without
>> warning. On all routes they were nearly always late.
>I'm just interested as to how they actually compare with other airlines.
Transavia, who do cut price charter flights and who are owned by KLM/Air
France are significantly better. BA is better than KLM.
--
Martin
(David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
deansgate) wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 19:28:08 +0000, [email protected]
>> (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
>> deansgate) wrote:
>[]
>> >My only problem with them was when they were delayed with fog, and I was
>> >annoyed with how slow they were to deal with the reboooking of
>> >passengers. However, how do they actually compare with the non-budget
>> >airlines in terms of reliability/overbooking etc.? I exclude the
>> >non-budget as their reliability is understandably very high.
>>
>> My experience of KLM on scheduled flights A'dam Paris, A'dam Toulouse,
>> A'dam Milan, A'dam Turin, A'dam Rome was bloody awful. On both the
>> Toulouse and Turin routes planes were frequently cancelled without
>> warning. On all routes they were nearly always late.
>I'm just interested as to how they actually compare with other airlines.
Transavia, who do cut price charter flights and who are owned by KLM/Air
France are significantly better. BA is better than KLM.
--
Martin
Dec 7th 2006, 10:18 am
#47
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Re: UK business travellers
Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 22:55:21 +0000, [email protected]
> (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
> deansgate) wrote:
>
> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 19:28:08 +0000, [email protected]
> >> (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
> >> deansgate) wrote:
> >[]
> >> >My only problem with them was when they were delayed with fog, and I was
> >> >annoyed with how slow they were to deal with the reboooking of
> >> >passengers. However, how do they actually compare with the non-budget
> >> >airlines in terms of reliability/overbooking etc.? I exclude the
> >> >non-budget as their reliability is understandably very high.
> >>
> >> My experience of KLM on scheduled flights A'dam Paris, A'dam Toulouse,
> >> A'dam Milan, A'dam Turin, A'dam Rome was bloody awful. On both the
> >> Toulouse and Turin routes planes were frequently cancelled without
> >> warning. On all routes they were nearly always late.
> >
> >I'm just interested as to how they actually compare with other airlines.
>
> Transavia, who do cut price charter flights and who are owned by KLM/Air
> France are significantly better. BA is better than KLM.
Where are the figures for that? Transavia sounds to me more like a
budget airline, and they have a completely different business model.
(i.e. no connecting flights)
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> On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 22:55:21 +0000, [email protected]
> (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
> deansgate) wrote:
>
> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 19:28:08 +0000, [email protected]
> >> (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
> >> deansgate) wrote:
> >[]
> >> >My only problem with them was when they were delayed with fog, and I was
> >> >annoyed with how slow they were to deal with the reboooking of
> >> >passengers. However, how do they actually compare with the non-budget
> >> >airlines in terms of reliability/overbooking etc.? I exclude the
> >> >non-budget as their reliability is understandably very high.
> >>
> >> My experience of KLM on scheduled flights A'dam Paris, A'dam Toulouse,
> >> A'dam Milan, A'dam Turin, A'dam Rome was bloody awful. On both the
> >> Toulouse and Turin routes planes were frequently cancelled without
> >> warning. On all routes they were nearly always late.
> >
> >I'm just interested as to how they actually compare with other airlines.
>
> Transavia, who do cut price charter flights and who are owned by KLM/Air
> France are significantly better. BA is better than KLM.
Where are the figures for that? Transavia sounds to me more like a
budget airline, and they have a completely different business model.
(i.e. no connecting flights)
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Dec 7th 2006, 10:24 am
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Re: UK business travellers
"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 18:28:39 -0000, "JohnT" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>"David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
>>deansgate" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:1hpzml2.1br11ihwzj2irN%this_address_is_for_ [email protected]...
>>> Jim Ley <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 18:08:57 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> >On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 16:55:55 GMT, "Alan" <[email protected]>
>>>> >wrote:
>>>> >>> If it is KLM there is only one possible answer.
>>>> >
>>>> >>which is ---------
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >Somebody else is paying the fare.
>>>> and paying you handsomely to take the trip
>>> I'm flying to Boston with them for pleasure in a few weeks- cheapest
>>> option.
>>It is only your MAN-AMS flight which will be with KLM: AMS-BOS is a
>>Codeshare operated by NorthWorst.
> When does the extra GBP40 tax come into force?
I don't think that it is an extra �40. It is a doubling of Air Passenger
Duty (depends on whether UK Domestic/EU/non-EU and class of service). AFAIK
it applies for bookings made on or after 1 February 2007.
JohnT
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> On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 18:28:39 -0000, "JohnT" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>>"David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
>>deansgate" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:1hpzml2.1br11ihwzj2irN%this_address_is_for_ [email protected]...
>>> Jim Ley <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 18:08:57 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> >On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 16:55:55 GMT, "Alan" <[email protected]>
>>>> >wrote:
>>>> >>> If it is KLM there is only one possible answer.
>>>> >
>>>> >>which is ---------
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> >Somebody else is paying the fare.
>>>> and paying you handsomely to take the trip
>>> I'm flying to Boston with them for pleasure in a few weeks- cheapest
>>> option.
>>It is only your MAN-AMS flight which will be with KLM: AMS-BOS is a
>>Codeshare operated by NorthWorst.
> When does the extra GBP40 tax come into force?
I don't think that it is an extra �40. It is a doubling of Air Passenger
Duty (depends on whether UK Domestic/EU/non-EU and class of service). AFAIK
it applies for bookings made on or after 1 February 2007.
JohnT
Dec 7th 2006, 10:35 am
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Re: UK business travellers
"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 22:55:21 +0000, [email protected]
> (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
> deansgate) wrote:
>>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 19:28:08 +0000, [email protected]
>>> (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
>>> deansgate) wrote:
>>[]
>>> >My only problem with them was when they were delayed with fog, and I
>>> >was
>>> >annoyed with how slow they were to deal with the reboooking of
>>> >passengers. However, how do they actually compare with the non-budget
>>> >airlines in terms of reliability/overbooking etc.? I exclude the
>>> >non-budget as their reliability is understandably very high.
>>> My experience of KLM on scheduled flights A'dam Paris, A'dam Toulouse,
>>> A'dam Milan, A'dam Turin, A'dam Rome was bloody awful. On both the
>>> Toulouse and Turin routes planes were frequently cancelled without
>>> warning. On all routes they were nearly always late.
>>I'm just interested as to how they actually compare with other airlines.
> Transavia, who do cut price charter flights and who are owned by KLM/Air
> France are significantly better. BA is better than KLM.
I am not convinced that BA are better than KLM. And I am looking for a late
April flight from NCL to LAX. The price on KLM is �200 less than on BA, and
AMS is (for me) a much better transfer Airport than LHR, even if your Maling
pottery on the mantelpiece in Lieden is rattled every time a heavy takes-off
(for which I apologise if I am aboard).
JohnT
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 22:55:21 +0000, [email protected]
> (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
> deansgate) wrote:
>>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 19:28:08 +0000, [email protected]
>>> (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
>>> deansgate) wrote:
>>[]
>>> >My only problem with them was when they were delayed with fog, and I
>>> >was
>>> >annoyed with how slow they were to deal with the reboooking of
>>> >passengers. However, how do they actually compare with the non-budget
>>> >airlines in terms of reliability/overbooking etc.? I exclude the
>>> >non-budget as their reliability is understandably very high.
>>> My experience of KLM on scheduled flights A'dam Paris, A'dam Toulouse,
>>> A'dam Milan, A'dam Turin, A'dam Rome was bloody awful. On both the
>>> Toulouse and Turin routes planes were frequently cancelled without
>>> warning. On all routes they were nearly always late.
>>I'm just interested as to how they actually compare with other airlines.
> Transavia, who do cut price charter flights and who are owned by KLM/Air
> France are significantly better. BA is better than KLM.
I am not convinced that BA are better than KLM. And I am looking for a late
April flight from NCL to LAX. The price on KLM is �200 less than on BA, and
AMS is (for me) a much better transfer Airport than LHR, even if your Maling
pottery on the mantelpiece in Lieden is rattled every time a heavy takes-off
(for which I apologise if I am aboard).
JohnT
Dec 7th 2006, 10:48 am
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Re: UK business travellers
JohnT <[email protected]> wrote:
[]
> I am not convinced that BA are better than KLM. And I am looking for a late
> April flight from NCL to LAX. The price on KLM is �200 less than on BA, and
> AMS is (for me) a much better transfer Airport than LHR, even if your Maling
> pottery on the mantelpiece in Lieden is rattled every time a heavy takes-off
> (for which I apologise if I am aboard).
What fare are you getting from NCL?
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[]
> I am not convinced that BA are better than KLM. And I am looking for a late
> April flight from NCL to LAX. The price on KLM is �200 less than on BA, and
> AMS is (for me) a much better transfer Airport than LHR, even if your Maling
> pottery on the mantelpiece in Lieden is rattled every time a heavy takes-off
> (for which I apologise if I am aboard).
What fare are you getting from NCL?
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Dec 7th 2006, 10:51 am
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Re: UK business travellers
Deeply Filled Mortician wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 20:33:58 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >It was the lack of reliability that I didn't like. There was a time
> >15-20 years ago when although the service wasn't up to much, it was
> >better than man, the planes were reliable and the planes were punctual.
> >Then the accountants got their hands on the airline. You can't have
> >punctuality with unreliability.
> Don't blame accountants! Their jobs are simply as bean counters. It's
> the management that is to blame for this shit.
Airlines found that 95% of travellers will just fly whatever flight is
cheapest and most convenient, and will not pay a higher price for
higher quality service. The result is that most airlines compete only
on price, even if it means cutting out meals on short flights and
having crappy meals on long flights, charging for alcohol and
headphones, having the minimum legal flight crews, etc.
As far as punctuality, many major city airports have had to handle a
much larger traffic load in recent years with little or no increase in
their capacities (runways, etc.), and are scheduled much tighter as a
result. As a result, a delay which 20 years ago might have delayed one
or two planes will easily cause delays down the line for hours.
> On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 20:33:58 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >It was the lack of reliability that I didn't like. There was a time
> >15-20 years ago when although the service wasn't up to much, it was
> >better than man, the planes were reliable and the planes were punctual.
> >Then the accountants got their hands on the airline. You can't have
> >punctuality with unreliability.
> Don't blame accountants! Their jobs are simply as bean counters. It's
> the management that is to blame for this shit.
Airlines found that 95% of travellers will just fly whatever flight is
cheapest and most convenient, and will not pay a higher price for
higher quality service. The result is that most airlines compete only
on price, even if it means cutting out meals on short flights and
having crappy meals on long flights, charging for alcohol and
headphones, having the minimum legal flight crews, etc.
As far as punctuality, many major city airports have had to handle a
much larger traffic load in recent years with little or no increase in
their capacities (runways, etc.), and are scheduled much tighter as a
result. As a result, a delay which 20 years ago might have delayed one
or two planes will easily cause delays down the line for hours.
Dec 7th 2006, 10:51 am
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Re: UK business travellers
On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 23:24:03 -0000, "JohnT" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>> When does the extra GBP40 tax come into force?
>I don't think that it is an extra �40. It is a doubling of Air Passenger
>Duty (depends on whether UK Domestic/EU/non-EU and class of service). AFAIK
>it applies for bookings made on or after 1 February 2007.
According to some paper review of the Daily Mail, it applies to any
flights after then, whenever booked.
Jim.
wrote:
>> When does the extra GBP40 tax come into force?
>I don't think that it is an extra �40. It is a doubling of Air Passenger
>Duty (depends on whether UK Domestic/EU/non-EU and class of service). AFAIK
>it applies for bookings made on or after 1 February 2007.
According to some paper review of the Daily Mail, it applies to any
flights after then, whenever booked.
Jim.
Dec 7th 2006, 10:52 am
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Re: UK business travellers
Iceman <[email protected]> wrote:
> Deeply Filled Mortician wrote:
> > On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 20:33:58 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >It was the lack of reliability that I didn't like. There was a time
> > >15-20 years ago when although the service wasn't up to much, it was
> > >better than man, the planes were reliable and the planes were punctual.
> > >Then the accountants got their hands on the airline. You can't have
> > >punctuality with unreliability.
> >
> > Don't blame accountants! Their jobs are simply as bean counters. It's
> > the management that is to blame for this shit.
>
> Airlines found that 95% of travellers will just fly whatever flight is
> cheapest and most convenient, and will not pay a higher price for
> higher quality service. The result is that most airlines compete only
> on price, even if it means cutting out meals on short flights and
> having crappy meals on long flights, charging for alcohol and
> headphones, having the minimum legal flight crews, etc.
>
> As far as punctuality, many major city airports have had to handle a
> much larger traffic load in recent years with little or no increase in
> their capacities (runways, etc.), and are scheduled much tighter as a
> result. As a result, a delay which 20 years ago might have delayed one
> or two planes will easily cause delays down the line for hours.
That's all well and good, but Ryanair still has the highest puntuality
and reliability rate in Europe.
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> Deeply Filled Mortician wrote:
> > On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 20:33:58 +0100, Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >It was the lack of reliability that I didn't like. There was a time
> > >15-20 years ago when although the service wasn't up to much, it was
> > >better than man, the planes were reliable and the planes were punctual.
> > >Then the accountants got their hands on the airline. You can't have
> > >punctuality with unreliability.
> >
> > Don't blame accountants! Their jobs are simply as bean counters. It's
> > the management that is to blame for this shit.
>
> Airlines found that 95% of travellers will just fly whatever flight is
> cheapest and most convenient, and will not pay a higher price for
> higher quality service. The result is that most airlines compete only
> on price, even if it means cutting out meals on short flights and
> having crappy meals on long flights, charging for alcohol and
> headphones, having the minimum legal flight crews, etc.
>
> As far as punctuality, many major city airports have had to handle a
> much larger traffic load in recent years with little or no increase in
> their capacities (runways, etc.), and are scheduled much tighter as a
> result. As a result, a delay which 20 years ago might have delayed one
> or two planes will easily cause delays down the line for hours.
That's all well and good, but Ryanair still has the highest puntuality
and reliability rate in Europe.
--
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Dec 7th 2006, 10:54 am
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Re: UK business travellers
On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 23:18:36 +0000, [email protected]
(David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
deansgate) wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 22:55:21 +0000, [email protected]
>> (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
>> deansgate) wrote:
>>
>> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 19:28:08 +0000, [email protected]
>> >> (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
>> >> deansgate) wrote:
>> >[]
>> >> >My only problem with them was when they were delayed with fog, and I was
>> >> >annoyed with how slow they were to deal with the reboooking of
>> >> >passengers. However, how do they actually compare with the non-budget
>> >> >airlines in terms of reliability/overbooking etc.? I exclude the
>> >> >non-budget as their reliability is understandably very high.
>> >>
>> >> My experience of KLM on scheduled flights A'dam Paris, A'dam Toulouse,
>> >> A'dam Milan, A'dam Turin, A'dam Rome was bloody awful. On both the
>> >> Toulouse and Turin routes planes were frequently cancelled without
>> >> warning. On all routes they were nearly always late.
>> >
>> >I'm just interested as to how they actually compare with other airlines.
>>
>> Transavia, who do cut price charter flights and who are owned by KLM/Air
>> France are significantly better. BA is better than KLM.
>Where are the figures for that? Transavia sounds to me more like a
>budget airline, and they have a completely different business model.
>(i.e. no connecting flights)
What figures? It was my personal experience.
--
Martin
(David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
deansgate) wrote:
>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 22:55:21 +0000, [email protected]
>> (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
>> deansgate) wrote:
>>
>> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 19:28:08 +0000, [email protected]
>> >> (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
>> >> deansgate) wrote:
>> >[]
>> >> >My only problem with them was when they were delayed with fog, and I was
>> >> >annoyed with how slow they were to deal with the reboooking of
>> >> >passengers. However, how do they actually compare with the non-budget
>> >> >airlines in terms of reliability/overbooking etc.? I exclude the
>> >> >non-budget as their reliability is understandably very high.
>> >>
>> >> My experience of KLM on scheduled flights A'dam Paris, A'dam Toulouse,
>> >> A'dam Milan, A'dam Turin, A'dam Rome was bloody awful. On both the
>> >> Toulouse and Turin routes planes were frequently cancelled without
>> >> warning. On all routes they were nearly always late.
>> >
>> >I'm just interested as to how they actually compare with other airlines.
>>
>> Transavia, who do cut price charter flights and who are owned by KLM/Air
>> France are significantly better. BA is better than KLM.
>Where are the figures for that? Transavia sounds to me more like a
>budget airline, and they have a completely different business model.
>(i.e. no connecting flights)
What figures? It was my personal experience.
--
Martin
Dec 7th 2006, 10:57 am
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Re: UK business travellers
Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 23:18:36 +0000, [email protected]
> (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
> deansgate) wrote:
>
> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 22:55:21 +0000, [email protected]
> >> (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
> >> deansgate) wrote:
> >>
> >> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 19:28:08 +0000, [email protected]
> >> >> (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
> >> >> deansgate) wrote:
[]
> >> >I'm just interested as to how they actually compare with other airlines.
> >>
> >> Transavia, who do cut price charter flights and who are owned by KLM/Air
> >> France are significantly better. BA is better than KLM.
> >
> >Where are the figures for that? Transavia sounds to me more like a
> >budget airline, and they have a completely different business model.
> >(i.e. no connecting flights)
>
> What figures? It was my personal experience.
Which really doesn't matter, if comparing with other airlines. Other
than a delay of 6 hours because of fog, all my KLM flights have been
fine. I was delayed 2 days in Bergen because of fog a few years ago.
That was a _lot_ worse. So, Braathens are my worst airline in Europe by
that yardstick...
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> On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 23:18:36 +0000, [email protected]
> (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
> deansgate) wrote:
>
> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 22:55:21 +0000, [email protected]
> >> (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
> >> deansgate) wrote:
> >>
> >> >Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 19:28:08 +0000, [email protected]
> >> >> (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
> >> >> deansgate) wrote:
[]
> >> >I'm just interested as to how they actually compare with other airlines.
> >>
> >> Transavia, who do cut price charter flights and who are owned by KLM/Air
> >> France are significantly better. BA is better than KLM.
> >
> >Where are the figures for that? Transavia sounds to me more like a
> >budget airline, and they have a completely different business model.
> >(i.e. no connecting flights)
>
> What figures? It was my personal experience.
Which really doesn't matter, if comparing with other airlines. Other
than a delay of 6 hours because of fog, all my KLM flights have been
fine. I was delayed 2 days in Bergen because of fog a few years ago.
That was a _lot_ worse. So, Braathens are my worst airline in Europe by
that yardstick...
--
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Dec 7th 2006, 11:06 am
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Re: UK business travellers
On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 23:48:00 +0000, [email protected]
(David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
deansgate) wrote:
>JohnT <[email protected]> wrote:
>[]
>> I am not convinced that BA are better than KLM. And I am looking for a late
>> April flight from NCL to LAX. The price on KLM is �200 less than on BA, and
>> AMS is (for me) a much better transfer Airport than LHR, even if your Maling
>> pottery on the mantelpiece in Lieden is rattled every time a heavy takes-off
>> (for which I apologise if I am aboard).
>What fare are you getting from NCL?
I can't see KLM free trips to A'dam continuing for ever, especially
after KLM have announced that they are going to clamp down on Dutch
passengers buying cut price transatlantic tickets, in UK, for routes via
A'dam. If the first leg of the route hasn't been used passengers
embarking in A'dam will have to pay the difference between the Dutch
fare and the UK fare.
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Martin
(David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
deansgate) wrote:
>JohnT <[email protected]> wrote:
>[]
>> I am not convinced that BA are better than KLM. And I am looking for a late
>> April flight from NCL to LAX. The price on KLM is �200 less than on BA, and
>> AMS is (for me) a much better transfer Airport than LHR, even if your Maling
>> pottery on the mantelpiece in Lieden is rattled every time a heavy takes-off
>> (for which I apologise if I am aboard).
>What fare are you getting from NCL?
I can't see KLM free trips to A'dam continuing for ever, especially
after KLM have announced that they are going to clamp down on Dutch
passengers buying cut price transatlantic tickets, in UK, for routes via
A'dam. If the first leg of the route hasn't been used passengers
embarking in A'dam will have to pay the difference between the Dutch
fare and the UK fare.
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Martin
Dec 7th 2006, 11:08 am
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Re: UK business travellers
On Thu, 07 Dec 2006 23:51:36 GMT, [email protected] (Jim Ley) wrote:
>On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 23:24:03 -0000, "JohnT" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>>> When does the extra GBP40 tax come into force?
>>I don't think that it is an extra �40. It is a doubling of Air Passenger
>>Duty (depends on whether UK Domestic/EU/non-EU and class of service). AFAIK
>>it applies for bookings made on or after 1 February 2007.
>According to some paper review of the Daily Mail, it applies to any
>flights after then, whenever booked.
I heard GBP40 quoted by the BBC for transatlantic routes.
--
Martin
>On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 23:24:03 -0000, "JohnT" <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>>> When does the extra GBP40 tax come into force?
>>I don't think that it is an extra �40. It is a doubling of Air Passenger
>>Duty (depends on whether UK Domestic/EU/non-EU and class of service). AFAIK
>>it applies for bookings made on or after 1 February 2007.
>According to some paper review of the Daily Mail, it applies to any
>flights after then, whenever booked.
I heard GBP40 quoted by the BBC for transatlantic routes.
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Martin
Dec 7th 2006, 11:12 am
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Re: UK business travellers
On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 23:35:44 -0000, "JohnT" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 22:55:21 +0000, [email protected]
>> (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
>> deansgate) wrote:
>>>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 19:28:08 +0000, [email protected]
>>>> (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
>>>> deansgate) wrote:
>>>[]
>>>> >My only problem with them was when they were delayed with fog, and I
>>>> >was
>>>> >annoyed with how slow they were to deal with the reboooking of
>>>> >passengers. However, how do they actually compare with the non-budget
>>>> >airlines in terms of reliability/overbooking etc.? I exclude the
>>>> >non-budget as their reliability is understandably very high.
>>>> My experience of KLM on scheduled flights A'dam Paris, A'dam Toulouse,
>>>> A'dam Milan, A'dam Turin, A'dam Rome was bloody awful. On both the
>>>> Toulouse and Turin routes planes were frequently cancelled without
>>>> warning. On all routes they were nearly always late.
>>>I'm just interested as to how they actually compare with other airlines.
>> Transavia, who do cut price charter flights and who are owned by KLM/Air
>> France are significantly better. BA is better than KLM.
>I am not convinced that BA are better than KLM. And I am looking for a late
>April flight from NCL to LAX. The price on KLM is �200 less than on BA,
I don't think BA is GBP200 better either. Don't they both provide the
same amount of leg room?
> and
>AMS is (for me) a much better transfer Airport than LHR, even if your Maling
>pottery on the mantelpiece in Lieden is rattled every time a heavy takes-off
>(for which I apologise if I am aboard).
:-)
We only have a problem with aircraft noise when the wind is from a
northerly direction, like it was during spring and most of the summer.
--
Martin
wrote:
>"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 22:55:21 +0000, [email protected]
>> (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
>> deansgate) wrote:
>>>Martin <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 19:28:08 +0000, [email protected]
>>>> (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
>>>> deansgate) wrote:
>>>[]
>>>> >My only problem with them was when they were delayed with fog, and I
>>>> >was
>>>> >annoyed with how slow they were to deal with the reboooking of
>>>> >passengers. However, how do they actually compare with the non-budget
>>>> >airlines in terms of reliability/overbooking etc.? I exclude the
>>>> >non-budget as their reliability is understandably very high.
>>>> My experience of KLM on scheduled flights A'dam Paris, A'dam Toulouse,
>>>> A'dam Milan, A'dam Turin, A'dam Rome was bloody awful. On both the
>>>> Toulouse and Turin routes planes were frequently cancelled without
>>>> warning. On all routes they were nearly always late.
>>>I'm just interested as to how they actually compare with other airlines.
>> Transavia, who do cut price charter flights and who are owned by KLM/Air
>> France are significantly better. BA is better than KLM.
>I am not convinced that BA are better than KLM. And I am looking for a late
>April flight from NCL to LAX. The price on KLM is �200 less than on BA,
I don't think BA is GBP200 better either. Don't they both provide the
same amount of leg room?
> and
>AMS is (for me) a much better transfer Airport than LHR, even if your Maling
>pottery on the mantelpiece in Lieden is rattled every time a heavy takes-off
>(for which I apologise if I am aboard).
:-)
We only have a problem with aircraft noise when the wind is from a
northerly direction, like it was during spring and most of the summer.
--
Martin
Dec 7th 2006, 7:12 pm
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Re: UK business travellers
"Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 23:48:00 +0000, [email protected]
> (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
> deansgate) wrote:
>>JohnT <[email protected]> wrote:
>>[]
>>> I am not convinced that BA are better than KLM. And I am looking for a
>>> late
>>> April flight from NCL to LAX. The price on KLM is �200 less than on BA,
>>> and
>>> AMS is (for me) a much better transfer Airport than LHR, even if your
>>> Maling
>>> pottery on the mantelpiece in Lieden is rattled every time a heavy
>>> takes-off
>>> (for which I apologise if I am aboard).
>>What fare are you getting from NCL?
> I can't see KLM free trips to A'dam continuing for ever, especially
> after KLM have announced that they are going to clamp down on Dutch
> passengers buying cut price transatlantic tickets, in UK, for routes via
> A'dam. If the first leg of the route hasn't been used passengers
> embarking in A'dam will have to pay the difference between the Dutch
> fare and the UK fare.
I can't see the connection here.
If KLM stop people cheating, surely that's a reason for
continuing with the deal.
It's not like the pax from the UK get's anything useful from
what you call a 'free' flight (I prefer to look at it as a discount
on the othere leg). All they get is a extra hours in a plane
and 2 extra in an airport.
tim
news:[email protected]...
> On Thu, 7 Dec 2006 23:48:00 +0000, [email protected]
> (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
> deansgate) wrote:
>>JohnT <[email protected]> wrote:
>>[]
>>> I am not convinced that BA are better than KLM. And I am looking for a
>>> late
>>> April flight from NCL to LAX. The price on KLM is �200 less than on BA,
>>> and
>>> AMS is (for me) a much better transfer Airport than LHR, even if your
>>> Maling
>>> pottery on the mantelpiece in Lieden is rattled every time a heavy
>>> takes-off
>>> (for which I apologise if I am aboard).
>>What fare are you getting from NCL?
> I can't see KLM free trips to A'dam continuing for ever, especially
> after KLM have announced that they are going to clamp down on Dutch
> passengers buying cut price transatlantic tickets, in UK, for routes via
> A'dam. If the first leg of the route hasn't been used passengers
> embarking in A'dam will have to pay the difference between the Dutch
> fare and the UK fare.
I can't see the connection here.
If KLM stop people cheating, surely that's a reason for
continuing with the deal.
It's not like the pax from the UK get's anything useful from
what you call a 'free' flight (I prefer to look at it as a discount
on the othere leg). All they get is a extra hours in a plane
and 2 extra in an airport.
tim
Dec 7th 2006, 7:20 pm
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Re: UK business travellers
"David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the royal duchy of city south and
deansgate" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1hq023b.wgcq34eay6taN%this_address_is_for_spa [email protected]...
> JohnT <[email protected]> wrote:
> []
>> I am not convinced that BA are better than KLM. And I am looking for a
>> late
>> April flight from NCL to LAX. The price on KLM is �200 less than on BA,
>> and
>> AMS is (for me) a much better transfer Airport than LHR, even if your
>> Maling
>> pottery on the mantelpiece in Lieden is rattled every time a heavy
>> takes-off
>> (for which I apologise if I am aboard).
> What fare are you getting from NCL?
I just checked the BA price again, and it has eased slightly to �593. Which
is still a lot more than the fare of �449 which KLM want for booking online.
And I am comparing like with like: direct flights from and to AMS on
KL601-604.
JohnT
deansgate" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:1hq023b.wgcq34eay6taN%this_address_is_for_spa [email protected]...
> JohnT <[email protected]> wrote:
> []
>> I am not convinced that BA are better than KLM. And I am looking for a
>> late
>> April flight from NCL to LAX. The price on KLM is �200 less than on BA,
>> and
>> AMS is (for me) a much better transfer Airport than LHR, even if your
>> Maling
>> pottery on the mantelpiece in Lieden is rattled every time a heavy
>> takes-off
>> (for which I apologise if I am aboard).
> What fare are you getting from NCL?
I just checked the BA price again, and it has eased slightly to �593. Which
is still a lot more than the fare of �449 which KLM want for booking online.
And I am comparing like with like: direct flights from and to AMS on
KL601-604.
JohnT
