Travels with a digital camera
Apr 27th 2003, 6:33 am
#91
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Re: Travels with a digital camera
On Sun, 27 Apr 2003 18:14:47 +0100, The Reid
wrote:
>my current issue is what to do about my quite large collection of
>video tape, not to mention vinyl records. Do I have it all copied or
>hope video players will always be around?
I have a Sony U-matic cassette of my appearance as an actor on a
national TV show, but it is nearly impossible to find a player
these days. Fortunately, some twenty years ago I had a transfer
made to VHS.
As soon as DVD burners come down in price I'll transfer it to
DVD.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
wrote:
>my current issue is what to do about my quite large collection of
>video tape, not to mention vinyl records. Do I have it all copied or
>hope video players will always be around?
I have a Sony U-matic cassette of my appearance as an actor on a
national TV show, but it is nearly impossible to find a player
these days. Fortunately, some twenty years ago I had a transfer
made to VHS.
As soon as DVD burners come down in price I'll transfer it to
DVD.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Apr 27th 2003, 8:29 am
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Re: Travels with a digital camera
On Sun, 27 Apr 2003 23:10:20 +0200, "Mxsmanic"
wrote:
>"Hatunen" a écrit dans le message de news:
>[email protected]...
>> I have a Sony U-matic cassette of my appearance
>> as an actor on a national TV show, but it is
>> nearly impossible to find a player these days.
>It's very easy to find players. You can buy a nice Sony BVU-950 for about
>$2900 used. Many studios are still equipped with U'Matic gear, and U'Matic
>is still used for some types of (non-broadcast) production.
>> Fortunately, some twenty years ago I had a transfer
>> made to VHS.
>VHS quality is somewhat inferior to U'Matic, so you lost something in the
>transfer.
Duh. But I wasn't really looking for quality. It's a sentimental
thing: the role earned me my membership in the Screen Actors
Guild.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
wrote:
>"Hatunen" a écrit dans le message de news:
>[email protected]...
>> I have a Sony U-matic cassette of my appearance
>> as an actor on a national TV show, but it is
>> nearly impossible to find a player these days.
>It's very easy to find players. You can buy a nice Sony BVU-950 for about
>$2900 used. Many studios are still equipped with U'Matic gear, and U'Matic
>is still used for some types of (non-broadcast) production.
>> Fortunately, some twenty years ago I had a transfer
>> made to VHS.
>VHS quality is somewhat inferior to U'Matic, so you lost something in the
>transfer.
Duh. But I wasn't really looking for quality. It's a sentimental
thing: the role earned me my membership in the Screen Actors
Guild.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Apr 27th 2003, 9:10 am
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Re: Travels with a digital camera
"Hatunen" a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
> I have a Sony U-matic cassette of my appearance
> as an actor on a national TV show, but it is
> nearly impossible to find a player these days.
It's very easy to find players. You can buy a nice Sony BVU-950 for about
$2900 used. Many studios are still equipped with U'Matic gear, and U'Matic
is still used for some types of (non-broadcast) production.
> Fortunately, some twenty years ago I had a transfer
> made to VHS.
VHS quality is somewhat inferior to U'Matic, so you lost something in the
transfer.
[email protected]...
> I have a Sony U-matic cassette of my appearance
> as an actor on a national TV show, but it is
> nearly impossible to find a player these days.
It's very easy to find players. You can buy a nice Sony BVU-950 for about
$2900 used. Many studios are still equipped with U'Matic gear, and U'Matic
is still used for some types of (non-broadcast) production.
> Fortunately, some twenty years ago I had a transfer
> made to VHS.
VHS quality is somewhat inferior to U'Matic, so you lost something in the
transfer.
Apr 27th 2003, 10:59 am
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Re: Travels with a digital camera
|| "The Reid" a écrit dans le
|| message de news: [email protected]...
||
||| All this raises another question in my mind,
||| I wonder how the dyes in photo quality PC
||| printer setups compare with photos?
||
|| Very poorly, as a general rule, except for special archival
|| pigmented inks, for which the jury is still out.
Yeah, but if you've got the "negative" just print a new one.
|| message de news: [email protected]...
||
||| All this raises another question in my mind,
||| I wonder how the dyes in photo quality PC
||| printer setups compare with photos?
||
|| Very poorly, as a general rule, except for special archival
|| pigmented inks, for which the jury is still out.
Yeah, but if you've got the "negative" just print a new one.
Apr 27th 2003, 11:05 am
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Re: Travels with a digital camera
|| || As soon as I can gather some funds, I will have all the analogue
|| library transferred on CD. Of course, in twenty years from now I
|| will be again at the start and I expect having to backup everything
|| in a future format.
||
|| --
|| Luca Logi - Firenze - Italy e-mail: [email protected]
Why do you need to wait? A CD burner and a PC with a decent sound card is
all that is required. As a matter of fact, with no CD burner, you could
record to the hard drive and then archive it to any medium that will take
the output signal from the sound card; cassette, real to reel, VCR, etc.
|| library transferred on CD. Of course, in twenty years from now I
|| will be again at the start and I expect having to backup everything
|| in a future format.
||
|| --
|| Luca Logi - Firenze - Italy e-mail: [email protected]
Why do you need to wait? A CD burner and a PC with a decent sound card is
all that is required. As a matter of fact, with no CD burner, you could
record to the hard drive and then archive it to any medium that will take
the output signal from the sound card; cassette, real to reel, VCR, etc.
Apr 27th 2003, 11:54 am
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Re: Travels with a digital camera
On Sun, 27 Apr 2003 22:59:24 GMT, "LPaulsen"
wrote:
>|| "The Reid" a écrit dans le
>|| message de news: [email protected]...
>||
>||| All this raises another question in my mind,
>||| I wonder how the dyes in photo quality PC
>||| printer setups compare with photos?
>||
>|| Very poorly, as a general rule, except for special archival
>|| pigmented inks, for which the jury is still out.
>Yeah, but if you've got the "negative" just print a new one.
Well, color printing from a negative isn't all that handy at
home. And color negatives may also alter over time.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
wrote:
>|| "The Reid" a écrit dans le
>|| message de news: [email protected]...
>||
>||| All this raises another question in my mind,
>||| I wonder how the dyes in photo quality PC
>||| printer setups compare with photos?
>||
>|| Very poorly, as a general rule, except for special archival
>|| pigmented inks, for which the jury is still out.
>Yeah, but if you've got the "negative" just print a new one.
Well, color printing from a negative isn't all that handy at
home. And color negatives may also alter over time.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Apr 27th 2003, 12:54 pm
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Re: Travels with a digital camera
[email protected] (Hatunen) wrote in news:3eac6d7a.39220904
@news.west.cox.net:
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2003 22:59:24 GMT, "LPaulsen"
> wrote:
>
>>|| "The Reid" a écrit dans le
>>|| message de news: [email protected]...
>>||
>>||| All this raises another question in my mind,
>>||| I wonder how the dyes in photo quality PC
>>||| printer setups compare with photos?
>>||
>>|| Very poorly, as a general rule, except for special archival
>>|| pigmented inks, for which the jury is still out.
>>Yeah, but if you've got the "negative" just print a new one.
>
> Well, color printing from a negative isn't all that handy at
> home. And color negatives may also alter over time.
Uhh, Dave, the "negative" in this case is the computer file.
@news.west.cox.net:
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2003 22:59:24 GMT, "LPaulsen"
> wrote:
>
>>|| "The Reid" a écrit dans le
>>|| message de news: [email protected]...
>>||
>>||| All this raises another question in my mind,
>>||| I wonder how the dyes in photo quality PC
>>||| printer setups compare with photos?
>>||
>>|| Very poorly, as a general rule, except for special archival
>>|| pigmented inks, for which the jury is still out.
>>Yeah, but if you've got the "negative" just print a new one.
>
> Well, color printing from a negative isn't all that handy at
> home. And color negatives may also alter over time.
Uhh, Dave, the "negative" in this case is the computer file.
Apr 27th 2003, 4:04 pm
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Re: Travels with a digital camera
On Mon, 28 Apr 2003 00:54:33 GMT, jcoulter
wrote:
>[email protected] (Hatunen) wrote in news:3eac6d7a.39220904
>@news.west.cox.net:
>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2003 22:59:24 GMT, "LPaulsen"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>|| "The Reid" a écrit dans le
>>>|| message de news: [email protected]...
>>>||
>>>||| All this raises another question in my mind,
>>>||| I wonder how the dyes in photo quality PC
>>>||| printer setups compare with photos?
>>>||
>>>|| Very poorly, as a general rule, except for special archival
>>>|| pigmented inks, for which the jury is still out.
>>>Yeah, but if you've got the "negative" just print a new one.
>>
>> Well, color printing from a negative isn't all that handy at
>> home. And color negatives may also alter over time.
>Uhh, Dave, the "negative" in this case is the computer file.
Ah.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
wrote:
>[email protected] (Hatunen) wrote in news:3eac6d7a.39220904
>@news.west.cox.net:
>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2003 22:59:24 GMT, "LPaulsen"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>|| "The Reid" a écrit dans le
>>>|| message de news: [email protected]...
>>>||
>>>||| All this raises another question in my mind,
>>>||| I wonder how the dyes in photo quality PC
>>>||| printer setups compare with photos?
>>>||
>>>|| Very poorly, as a general rule, except for special archival
>>>|| pigmented inks, for which the jury is still out.
>>>Yeah, but if you've got the "negative" just print a new one.
>>
>> Well, color printing from a negative isn't all that handy at
>> home. And color negatives may also alter over time.
>Uhh, Dave, the "negative" in this case is the computer file.
Ah.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Apr 27th 2003, 6:15 pm
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Re: Travels with a digital camera
Various people write:
>>> All this raises another question in my mind, I wonder how the
>>> dyes in photo quality PC printer setups compare with photos?
>> Very poorly, as a general rule, except for special archival
>> pigmented inks, for which the jury is still out.
> Yeah, but if you've got the "negative" just print a new one.
> ... the "negative" in this case is the computer file.
Provided that the computer file is in a format that you can still read!
This is a huge problem with archives of computer data today.
--
Mark Brader | "[He] is my nation's leader ... i.e., the piece of
Toronto | clear tape at the beginning of a cassette that you
[email protected] | can't record anything on...." --R.H. Draney
>>> All this raises another question in my mind, I wonder how the
>>> dyes in photo quality PC printer setups compare with photos?
>> Very poorly, as a general rule, except for special archival
>> pigmented inks, for which the jury is still out.
> Yeah, but if you've got the "negative" just print a new one.
> ... the "negative" in this case is the computer file.
Provided that the computer file is in a format that you can still read!
This is a huge problem with archives of computer data today.
--
Mark Brader | "[He] is my nation's leader ... i.e., the piece of
Toronto | clear tape at the beginning of a cassette that you
[email protected] | can't record anything on...." --R.H. Draney
Apr 27th 2003, 6:51 pm
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Re: Travels with a digital camera
LPaulsen wrote:
> Why do you need to wait? A CD burner and a PC with a decent sound card is
> all that is required. As a matter of fact, with no CD burner, you could
> record to the hard drive and then archive it to any medium that will take
> the output signal from the sound card; cassette, real to reel, VCR, etc.
What do I need? My estimate is that a person working full time on the
tape library will need from two to three years to complete the project.
As a junior worker will cost (including taxes and social security), say
euro 40,000/year, the only thing I need is euro 120,000 or so. I have
already the CD burner :-)
--
Luca Logi - Firenze - Italy e-mail: [email protected]
> Why do you need to wait? A CD burner and a PC with a decent sound card is
> all that is required. As a matter of fact, with no CD burner, you could
> record to the hard drive and then archive it to any medium that will take
> the output signal from the sound card; cassette, real to reel, VCR, etc.
What do I need? My estimate is that a person working full time on the
tape library will need from two to three years to complete the project.
As a junior worker will cost (including taxes and social security), say
euro 40,000/year, the only thing I need is euro 120,000 or so. I have
already the CD burner :-)
--
Luca Logi - Firenze - Italy e-mail: [email protected]
Apr 27th 2003, 7:26 pm
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Re: Travels with a digital camera
Following up to Mxsmanic
>JPEG is fine for archiving. It's not fine as an intermediate format.
as long as you know in advance you wont want to change it in the
future. Which I certainly dont.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
London & the British hills "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
>JPEG is fine for archiving. It's not fine as an intermediate format.
as long as you know in advance you wont want to change it in the
future. Which I certainly dont.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
London & the British hills "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk"
Spain, food and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" (see web for email)
Apr 27th 2003, 8:44 pm
#102
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Re: Travels with a digital camera
The Reid wrote in
news:[email protected]:
> my current issue is what to do about my quite large collection of
> video tape, not to mention vinyl records. Do I have it all copied or
> hope video players will always be around?
My personal philosophy is to keep old formats as they are, and entertain a
playback machine for them. I can't afford the time and money to copy all my
audio/video archive to a new format every couple of years. Keeping the
machine around is cheaper, and more authentic.
No format will be supported "always", but IMHO it's a safe bet that
anything mainstream enough will be available in your and my lifetimes.
There are people around who collect shellac discs, and they have no trouble
finding equipment to play them - both modern record players who still
support 78, as well as ancient. There are still companies who produce
replacement needles for old grammophones. And this is 120 years after the
format was introduced, and 50 years after it was abandoned.
Likewhise, vinyl record players and equipment are still easy to find even
though the format has been virtually "dead" for 10 years. VHS hasn't yet
begun to disappear. Wait 5 more years for that to happen, and probably a
generation until industry support seriously fades.
Regards
--
Ride the Ultrabeat
news:[email protected]:
> my current issue is what to do about my quite large collection of
> video tape, not to mention vinyl records. Do I have it all copied or
> hope video players will always be around?
My personal philosophy is to keep old formats as they are, and entertain a
playback machine for them. I can't afford the time and money to copy all my
audio/video archive to a new format every couple of years. Keeping the
machine around is cheaper, and more authentic.
No format will be supported "always", but IMHO it's a safe bet that
anything mainstream enough will be available in your and my lifetimes.
There are people around who collect shellac discs, and they have no trouble
finding equipment to play them - both modern record players who still
support 78, as well as ancient. There are still companies who produce
replacement needles for old grammophones. And this is 120 years after the
format was introduced, and 50 years after it was abandoned.
Likewhise, vinyl record players and equipment are still easy to find even
though the format has been virtually "dead" for 10 years. VHS hasn't yet
begun to disappear. Wait 5 more years for that to happen, and probably a
generation until industry support seriously fades.
Regards
--
Ride the Ultrabeat
Apr 27th 2003, 8:53 pm
#103
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Re: Travels with a digital camera
"LPaulsen" wrote in
news:[email protected]:
>|| || As soon as I can gather some funds, I will have all the analogue
>|| library transferred on CD. Of course, in twenty years from now I
>|| will be again at the start and I expect having to backup everything
>|| in a future format.
>||
>|| --
>|| Luca Logi - Firenze - Italy e-mail: [email protected]
>
> Why do you need to wait? A CD burner and a PC with a decent sound card is
> all that is required. As a matter of fact, with no CD burner, you could
> record to the hard drive and then archive it to any medium that will take
> the output signal from the sound card; cassette, real to reel, VCR, etc.
But is it economical? To do it decently, it takes 2 - 3 hrs work per album.
(Recording, track edits, possibly correction, burning, and scanning the
sleeve). For albums which are available cheaply on CD for, say, 10 EUR,
that means you "earn" less than 5 EUR per hour. Actually my time is worth
more to me, and any person you pay for doing it will probably demand more
as well. I'd only ever bother recording albums that are not available
commercially on CD. And then I probably wouldn't do that either.
Regards
--
Ride the Ultrabeat
news:[email protected]:
>|| || As soon as I can gather some funds, I will have all the analogue
>|| library transferred on CD. Of course, in twenty years from now I
>|| will be again at the start and I expect having to backup everything
>|| in a future format.
>||
>|| --
>|| Luca Logi - Firenze - Italy e-mail: [email protected]
>
> Why do you need to wait? A CD burner and a PC with a decent sound card is
> all that is required. As a matter of fact, with no CD burner, you could
> record to the hard drive and then archive it to any medium that will take
> the output signal from the sound card; cassette, real to reel, VCR, etc.
But is it economical? To do it decently, it takes 2 - 3 hrs work per album.
(Recording, track edits, possibly correction, burning, and scanning the
sleeve). For albums which are available cheaply on CD for, say, 10 EUR,
that means you "earn" less than 5 EUR per hour. Actually my time is worth
more to me, and any person you pay for doing it will probably demand more
as well. I'd only ever bother recording albums that are not available
commercially on CD. And then I probably wouldn't do that either.
Regards
--
Ride the Ultrabeat
Apr 27th 2003, 8:54 pm
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Re: Travels with a digital camera
[email protected] (Luca Logi) wrote in
news:1fu49ce.zsokkgbjjksN%[email protected]:
> LPaulsen wrote:
>
>> Why do you need to wait? A CD burner and a PC with a decent sound
>> card is all that is required. As a matter of fact, with no CD
>> burner, you could record to the hard drive and then archive it to any
>> medium that will take the output signal from the sound card;
>> cassette, real to reel, VCR, etc.
>
> What do I need? My estimate is that a person working full time on the
> tape library will need from two to three years to complete the
> project. As a junior worker will cost (including taxes and social
> security), say euro 40,000/year, the only thing I need is euro 120,000
> or so. I have already the CD burner :-)
May I apply for the job?
--
Ride the Ultrabeat
news:1fu49ce.zsokkgbjjksN%[email protected]:
> LPaulsen wrote:
>
>> Why do you need to wait? A CD burner and a PC with a decent sound
>> card is all that is required. As a matter of fact, with no CD
>> burner, you could record to the hard drive and then archive it to any
>> medium that will take the output signal from the sound card;
>> cassette, real to reel, VCR, etc.
>
> What do I need? My estimate is that a person working full time on the
> tape library will need from two to three years to complete the
> project. As a junior worker will cost (including taxes and social
> security), say euro 40,000/year, the only thing I need is euro 120,000
> or so. I have already the CD burner :-)
May I apply for the job?
--
Ride the Ultrabeat
Apr 27th 2003, 10:38 pm
#105
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Re: Travels with a digital camera
"Mark Brader" a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
> This is a huge problem with archives of
> computer data today.
It's a problem with a few archives, but not most.
[email protected]...
> This is a huge problem with archives of
> computer data today.
It's a problem with a few archives, but not most.
