Markku Grönroos

"Hatunen" <[email protected]> kirjoitti viestissä
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    > >
    > >In the UK, there's a card slipped into a slot in the back of the seat
with
    > >the sections of journey for which the seat is reserved printed on it. I
    > >don't think we've got as advanced as little electronic displays yet.
    > Tht's because UK trains are nowhere neaar as advanced as German
    > ICEs.
In 1980's Bundesbahn didn't have a real time seat booking facility. They had
"deadlines" on reservation. Then they had these funny brass plates outside
on the the cabin walls on which these funny pieces of paper were attached
holding the names of passengers with a seat reservation.

David Horne

Hatunen <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:21:29 +0100, "Owain"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >"Steven" wrote
    > >| I've read and heard reservations are not necesary for some
    > >| trains.
    > >| However, if you have no reservation, where do you seat?
    > >| How do you know you are not seating in somebody's place?
    > >
    > >In the UK, there's a card slipped into a slot in the back of the seat with
    > >the sections of journey for which the seat is reserved printed on it. I
    > >don't think we've got as advanced as little electronic displays yet.
    >
    > Tht's because UK trains are nowhere neaar as advanced as German
    > ICEs.

Well, some UK trains do have such a system, and I've recently been on
German ICE's which don't- so I don't think it's uniform.

David

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Tim

"Markku Grönroos" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "Hatunen" <[email protected]> kirjoitti viestissä
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    > > >
    > > >In the UK, there's a card slipped into a slot in the back of the seat
    > with
    > > >the sections of journey for which the seat is reserved printed on it. I
    > > >don't think we've got as advanced as little electronic displays yet.
    > >
    > > Tht's because UK trains are nowhere neaar as advanced as German
    > > ICEs.
    > >
    > In 1980's Bundesbahn didn't have a real time seat booking facility. They
had
    > "deadlines" on reservation. Then they had these funny brass plates outside
    > on the the cabin walls on which these funny pieces of paper were attached
    > holding the names of passengers with a seat reservation.

they still do if you're travelling on some IC/IR trains

tim

Helmut Uttenthaler

"Markku Grönroos" <[email protected]> schrieb im
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    > "Hatunen" <[email protected]> kirjoitti viestissä
    > news:[email protected]...
    >>> In the UK, there's a card slipped into a slot in the
    >>> back of the seat with the sections of journey for which
    >>> the seat is reserved printed on it. I don't think we've
    >>> got as advanced as little electronic displays yet.
    >> Tht's because UK trains are nowhere neaar as advanced as
    >> German ICEs.
    > In 1980's Bundesbahn didn't have a real time seat booking
    > facility. They had "deadlines" on reservation. Then they
    > had these funny brass plates outside on the the cabin
    > walls on which these funny pieces of paper were attached
    > holding the names of passengers with a seat reservation.


No, the names of passengers are not shown on these paper labels.
Tickets and reservations in Europa are usually not issued for a
specific person.


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Helmut Uttenthaler,
Graz

Markku Grönroos

"Helmut Uttenthaler" <[email protected]> kirjoitti viestissä
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    > "Markku Grönroos" <[email protected]> schrieb im
    > Newsbeitrag news:[email protected]
    > > In 1980's Bundesbahn didn't have a real time seat booking
    > > facility. They had "deadlines" on reservation. Then they
    > > had these funny brass plates outside on the the cabin
    > > walls on which these funny pieces of paper were attached
    > > holding the names of passengers with a seat reservation.
    > No, the names of passengers are not shown on these paper labels.
    > Tickets and reservations in Europa are usually not issued for a
    > specific person.
I recall that 20 years ago reservations were made by name.

Hatunen

On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 21:37:50 +0200, "Helmut Uttenthaler"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Markku Grönroos" <[email protected]> schrieb im
    >Newsbeitrag news:[email protected]
    >> "Hatunen" <[email protected]> kirjoitti viestissä
    >> news:[email protected]...
    >>>> In the UK, there's a card slipped into a slot in the
    >>>> back of the seat with the sections of journey for which
    >>>> the seat is reserved printed on it. I don't think we've
    >>>> got as advanced as little electronic displays yet.
    >>> Tht's because UK trains are nowhere neaar as advanced as
    >>> German ICEs.
    >> In 1980's Bundesbahn didn't have a real time seat booking
    >> facility. They had "deadlines" on reservation. Then they
    >> had these funny brass plates outside on the the cabin
    >> walls on which these funny pieces of paper were attached
    >> holding the names of passengers with a seat reservation.
    >No, the names of passengers are not shown on these paper labels.
    >Tickets and reservations in Europa are usually not issued for a
    >specific person.

Odd. Our name was on the labels on the Brussels-Copenhagen train
many years ago. Have they stopped this practice?

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Hatunen

On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 15:35:32 -0600, erilar
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >In article <[email protected]>, Hatunen
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >> On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:21:29 +0100, "Owain"
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >> >"Steven" wrote
    >> >| I've read and heard reservations are not necesary for some
    >> >| trains.
    >> >| However, if you have no reservation, where do you seat?
    >> >| How do you know you are not seating in somebody's place?
    >> >
    >> >In the UK, there's a card slipped into a slot in the back of the seat
    >> >with
    >> >the sections of journey for which the seat is reserved printed on it. I
    >> >don't think we've got as advanced as little electronic displays yet.
    >>
    >> Tht's because UK trains are nowhere neaar as advanced as German
    >> ICEs.
    >>
    >It's the ICEs where the system has not been working on any train I've
    >traveled on on my last two trips.

It was on the Koeln-Muenchen train in June.

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Lennart Petersen

"erilar" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
news:[email protected]...
    > In article <[email protected]>, Hatunen
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    > > The German ICEs (some of them anyway) have little electronic
    > > signs above the seats.
    > Which usually tell you the seat MIGHT be reserved and nothing else.
Not at all. It tells you if the particular seat is reserved and between
which stations there's a reservation made.
Sometimes however the person behind the reservation doesn't show up but
that's something else.
Remember you must claim the seat at departure, typically at latest 15min,
otherwise the seat is considered free.

Erilar

In article <[email protected]>, "Steven"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    > I've read and heard reservations are not necesary for some trains.
    > However, if you have no reservation, where do you seat?
    > How do you know you are not seating in somebody's place?

You find out when someone comes along with a reservation card and tells
you you're in his/her seat.

--
Mary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar)

You can't reason with someone whose first line of argument
is that reason doesn't count. Isaac Asimov

Erilar's Cave Annex: http://www.airstreamcomm.net/~erilarlo

Erilar

In article <[email protected]>, jenn <[email protected]>
wrote:

    > Steven wrote:
    >
    > > I've read and heard reservations are not necesary for some trains.
    > > However, if you have no reservation, where do you seat?
    > > How do you know you are not seating in somebody's place?
    > >
    > > Thanks!
    > >
    > > Steven
    > >
    > >
    >
    > reserved seats are posted with little cards and people have to yield to
    > the people who have the reservation [which is noted on their ticket]
Unfortunately, that's not always true. In Germany in older trains you
get this information, but on my last two trips there was no clue on
newer trains; the computer system that was supposed to display the info
was not working any more. (I can remember when it WAS_

    > places without such cards are open, but in a crowded train you may be
    > standing in the aisles for hours

Very true, particularly on weekends.

--
Mary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar)

You can't reason with someone whose first line of argument
is that reason doesn't count. Isaac Asimov

Erilar's Cave Annex: http://www.airstreamcomm.net/~erilarlo

Erilar

In article <[email protected]>, Hatunen
<[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:21:29 +0100, "Owain"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >"Steven" wrote
    > >| I've read and heard reservations are not necesary for some
    > >| trains.
    > >| However, if you have no reservation, where do you seat?
    > >| How do you know you are not seating in somebody's place?
    > >
    > >In the UK, there's a card slipped into a slot in the back of the seat
    > >with
    > >the sections of journey for which the seat is reserved printed on it. I
    > >don't think we've got as advanced as little electronic displays yet.
    >
    > Tht's because UK trains are nowhere neaar as advanced as German
    > ICEs.
    >

It's the ICEs where the system has not been working on any train I've
traveled on on my last two trips.

--
Mary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar)

You can't reason with someone whose first line of argument
is that reason doesn't count. Isaac Asimov

Erilar's Cave Annex: http://www.airstreamcomm.net/~erilarlo

Erilar

In article <[email protected]>, Hatunen
<[email protected]> wrote:

    > The German ICEs (some of them anyway) have little electronic
    > signs above the seats.

Which usually tell you the seat MIGHT be reserved and nothing else.

--
Mary Loomer Oliver (aka Erilar)

You can't reason with someone whose first line of argument
is that reason doesn't count. Isaac Asimov

Erilar's Cave Annex: http://www.airstreamcomm.net/~erilarlo

Arwel Parry

In message <[email protected]>, Owain
<[email protected]> writes
    >"Steven" wrote
    >| I've read and heard reservations are not necesary for some
    >| trains.
    >| However, if you have no reservation, where do you seat?
    >| How do you know you are not seating in somebody's place?
    >In the UK, there's a card slipped into a slot in the back of the seat with
    >the sections of journey for which the seat is reserved printed on it. I
    >don't think we've got as advanced as little electronic displays yet.

Yes we have on Virgins' new trains. I was on one out of Manchester about
two weeks ago, and the seat opposite from me was displaying something
like "Free until Wilmslow", then as the train pulled into Wilmslow it
switched to "RESERVED between Wilmslow and Watford Junction".

--
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http://www.cartref.demon.co.uk/

Király

Steven <[email protected]> wrote:
    > I've read and heard reservations are not necesary for some trains.
    > However, if you have no reservation, where do you seat?
    > How do you know you are not seating in somebody's place?

I had a ticket valid for travel within Romania, but I didn't realize I
needed to make a new reservation every time I got on. The ticket checker
let me stay on board, but I hat to pay a fine of ROL 18,000 (about EUR 0.50!)

K.

?Ystein

"Steven" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
    > I've read and heard reservations are not necesary for some trains.
    > However, if you have no reservation, where do you seat?
    > How do you know you are not seating in somebody's place?
    >
Different countries and different types of train whitin one country
have very different regulations when it comes to train tickets. That
means that in some cases you are allriht without a reservation on
other trains you will be thrown off the train if you don't have one.
Check the regulations for the countries and trains involved!

Jan