Steven

I've read and heard reservations are not necesary for some trains.
However, if you have no reservation, where do you seat?
How do you know you are not seating in somebody's place?

Thanks!

Steven

Hatunen

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:53:33 GMT, "Lennart Petersen"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Steven" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
    >news:[email protected]...
    >> I've read and heard reservations are not necesary for some trains.
    >In many local trains it's not possible at all to make a seat reservation.
    >> However, if you have no reservation, where do you seat?
    >Wherever you find a free vacant seat.
    >> How do you know you are not seating in somebody's place?
    >Some trains have displays indicating if and between which stations the seat
    >is reserved.
    >In other trains you've to claim the seat with your reservation. Someone
    >without a reservation have to leave simply.
    >The old system to have labels indicating reservation isn't AFAIK used any
    >longer.
The German ICEs (some of them anyway) have little electronic
signs above the seats.

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Lennart Petersen

"Steven" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
news:[email protected]...
    > I've read and heard reservations are not necesary for some trains.
In many local trains it's not possible at all to make a seat reservation.

    > However, if you have no reservation, where do you seat?
Wherever you find a free vacant seat.

    > How do you know you are not seating in somebody's place?
Some trains have displays indicating if and between which stations the seat
is reserved.
In other trains you've to claim the seat with your reservation. Someone
without a reservation have to leave simply.
The old system to have labels indicating reservation isn't AFAIK used any
longer.

Lennart Petersen

"Hatunen" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
news:[email protected]...
    > On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:53:33 GMT, "Lennart Petersen"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >"Steven" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
    > >news:[email protected]...
    > >> I've read and heard reservations are not necesary for some trains.
    > >In many local trains it's not possible at all to make a seat reservation.
    > >
    > >> However, if you have no reservation, where do you seat?
    > >Wherever you find a free vacant seat.
    > >
    > >> How do you know you are not seating in somebody's place?
    > >Some trains have displays indicating if and between which stations the
seat
    > >is reserved.
    > >In other trains you've to claim the seat with your reservation.
Someone
    > >without a reservation have to leave simply.
    > >The old system to have labels indicating reservation isn't AFAIK used any
    > >longer.
    > >
    > The German ICEs (some of them anyway) have little electronic
    > signs above the seats.
Isn't that a display,
also in Danish IC3 and other trains,

Helmut Uttenthaler

"Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]> schrieb im
Newsbeitrag news:[email protected]
    >> How do you know you are not seating in somebody's place?
    > Some trains have displays indicating if and between which
    > stations the seat is reserved.
    > In other trains you've to claim the seat with your
    > reservation. Someone without a reservation have to
    > leave simply.
    > The old system to have labels indicating reservation
    > isn't AFAIK used any longer.


It's still used in Austria and many other countries. The labels
can be found next to the compartment door
(http://railfaneurope.net/pix/at/car/...z/109_0987.jpg) or
at the luggage racks
(http://railfaneurope.net/pix/at/car/...-94/Bmpz02.jpg).



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Graz

Dave Smith

Steven wrote:

    > I've read and heard reservations are not necesary for some trains.
    > However, if you have no reservation, where do you seat?
    > How do you know you are not seating in somebody's place?

From my experience on a Eurail pass (1993), there are some trains for
which a reservation is required. The TGV from Nice to Paris. If there
are no seats available you don't get on. There were some trains where
reservations were optional and seating compartments had signs on to
indicate they were reserved.

Kristian

"Lennart Petersen" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Hatunen" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
    >news:[email protected].. .
    >> On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 21:53:33 GMT, "Lennart Petersen"
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:

    >> The German ICEs (some of them anyway) have little electronic
    >> signs above the seats.
    >Isn't that a display,
    >also in Danish IC3 and other trains,
-----------
Yes ,they have those electronic displays,with the names of the towns
it is reserved between. The conductor then carries this handheld
device , the enables him to change the display. In case noone shows
up for their reserved seat, he can then either cancel it or change it
to suit someone else without a reservation.

Kristian

/<Rist

Steven wrote:
    > I've read and heard reservations are not necesary for some trains.

Nowadays reservations are not possible for most trains, are possible for some
trains, and mandatory for some others. Many railways do not even offer the
possibility of reserving a seat for domestic travel. (eg. the Dutch or Belgian
railways...). Usually reservation is possible but not mandatory on "classic"
long distance trains (although it is a good idea to reserve on busy days). On
"premium" trains (High speed trains, some long distance and night trains) it
is usually compulsory.

    > However, if you have no reservation, where do you seat?

On a vacant seat. Anywhere you like. You can even change seats if you notice
better scenery/company on the other side of the carriage.

    > How do you know you are not seating in somebody's place?

He/she complains about you sitting in his/her lap. No really, just look. Signs
that a seat is taken:
- Somebody is sitting on it.
- Somebody has put a bag/coat on it.
- There is a small yellow tag afixed to the luggage rack (or compartiment
entrance) that says that the seat is reserved between A and B, and the train
is currently between A and B...

If in doubt, ask. It is quite customary to ask "is this seat free" to somebody
sitting nearby before sitting down.


Krist

Owain

"Steven" wrote
    | I've read and heard reservations are not necesary for some
    | trains.
    | However, if you have no reservation, where do you seat?
    | How do you know you are not seating in somebody's place?

In the UK, there's a card slipped into a slot in the back of the seat with
the sections of journey for which the seat is reserved printed on it. I
don't think we've got as advanced as little electronic displays yet.

Owain

David Horne

Owain <[email protected]> wrote:

    > In the UK, there's a card slipped into a slot in the back of the seat with
    > the sections of journey for which the seat is reserved printed on it. I
    > don't think we've got as advanced as little electronic displays yet.

Virgin Pendolino and Voyager trains have them.

David

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Iain Bowen

In article <1gj12lq.1iqc8981qvm91oN%
[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...
    > Owain <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > In the UK, there's a card slipped into a slot in the back of the seat with
    > > the sections of journey for which the seat is reserved printed on it. I
    > > don't think we've got as advanced as little electronic displays yet.
    >
    > Virgin Pendolino and Voyager trains have them.

When they work. Which in my limited experience[0] isn't that often.

Iain

[0] About 10 trips, I think they have worked 2 or 3 times.

David Horne

Iain Bowen <[email protected]> wrote:

    > In article <1gj12lq.1iqc8981qvm91oN%
    > [email protected]>,
    > [email protected] says...
    > > Owain <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > > > In the UK, there's a card slipped into a slot in the back of the seat with
    > > > the sections of journey for which the seat is reserved printed on it. I
    > > > don't think we've got as advanced as little electronic displays yet.
    > >
    > > Virgin Pendolino and Voyager trains have them.
    >
    > When they work. Which in my limited experience[0] isn't that often.

I'm not a fan of either train, but I was just pointing out that they had
them- they seem to work more often than not IME, which is more than can
be said for the toilets...

David

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Jenn

Steven wrote:

    > I've read and heard reservations are not necesary for some trains.
    > However, if you have no reservation, where do you seat?
    > How do you know you are not seating in somebody's place?
    >
    > Thanks!
    >
    > Steven
    >
    >

reserved seats are posted with little cards and people have to yield to
the people who have the reservation [which is noted on their ticket]
places without such cards are open, but in a crowded train you may be
standing in the aisles for hours

Hatunen

On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 13:21:29 +0100, "Owain"
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Steven" wrote
    >| I've read and heard reservations are not necesary for some
    >| trains.
    >| However, if you have no reservation, where do you seat?
    >| How do you know you are not seating in somebody's place?
    >In the UK, there's a card slipped into a slot in the back of the seat with
    >the sections of journey for which the seat is reserved printed on it. I
    >don't think we've got as advanced as little electronic displays yet.

Tht's because UK trains are nowhere neaar as advanced as German
ICEs.

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Hatunen

On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:00:23 -0500, jenn <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Steven wrote:
    >> I've read and heard reservations are not necesary for some trains.
    >> However, if you have no reservation, where do you seat?
    >> How do you know you are not seating in somebody's place?

    >reserved seats are posted with little cards and people have to yield to
    >the people who have the reservation [which is noted on their ticket]
    >places without such cards are open, but in a crowded train you may be
    >standing in the aisles for hours

Or as happened to us on the train from Brussels to Copenhagen (it
was 1996) The people sitting in your seats refuse to get up and
you have to hunt up the train conductor to oust them.

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