Tim

"Ulf Kutzner" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > Hatunen schrieb:
    > > Besides providing a 50% discount, the Bahncard also covers your
    > > local transit, U-bahn, S-bahn or whatever, from the bahnhof to
    > > your local destination.
    > This applies to many but not all places for DB tickets for more than 100
    > km.

and is apparently only availlable with an advanced purchase ticket
and is not added to a bought on the day ticket (which are otherwise
the same price).

tim

Alan Osborn

In article <[email protected]>, Dave Smith
<[email protected]> writes
    >Piotr Strycharz wrote:
    >> Well. Actually - not completely. It happened to me (and friend) in 2003. We
    >> were travelling with Inter Rail ticket. We were approaching Lille. AFAIR 3
    >> people came to our seat claiming that they are "customs control". They have
    >> checked our tickets, asked for passports and asked if we had enough money
    >> for entering France. Of course, the check was quick. Just formality.
    >> However - it happened.
    >When I toured Europe by train with a Eurail pass in 1993 there were guys
    >checking passports in the train in Germany as we approached Switzerland,
    >and then again from Switzerland to Italy. Nowhere else.

I used the Hamburg to Copenhagen (via the ferry) in c. 2000
I recall there was a customs check before we left Germany, nothing on
the Danish side and no checks either side on the return journey.

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Alan Osborn

B Vaughan

On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 21:25:09 +0100, Alan Osborn
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >In article <[email protected]>, Dave Smith
    ><[email protected]> writes
    >>Piotr Strycharz wrote:
    >>> Well. Actually - not completely. It happened to me (and friend) in 2003. We
    >>> were travelling with Inter Rail ticket. We were approaching Lille. AFAIR 3
    >>> people came to our seat claiming that they are "customs control". They have
    >>> checked our tickets, asked for passports and asked if we had enough money
    >>> for entering France. Of course, the check was quick. Just formality.
    >>> However - it happened.

I've just returned from a trip to France (from Italy) on an overnight
train. The conductor collected everyone's tickets and passports (or
identity cards) and kept them overnight so they could be checked at
the border. This happened in both directions. The checking took longer
than planned, making the trains late in both directions. A fellow
passenger told me that the conductor had said that controls are
especially rigourous at the moment.

However, my identity card should have presented a problem, but didn't.
I'm now an Italian citizen, but I forgot that my identity card
predates my citizenship and says that I'm a US citizen. (In any case,
I wasn't anticipating rigourous border controls.) As a US citizen, I
should have had to present a passport, not an Italian identity card.

I tried to get a new identity card last year when I became an Italian
citizen, but our town clerk said it was too much trouble and the card
was due to expire this year anyway so I decided to wait.
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Erwan David

B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote :

    > However, my identity card should have presented a problem, but didn't.
    > I'm now an Italian citizen, but I forgot that my identity card
    > predates my citizenship and says that I'm a US citizen. (In any case,
    > I wasn't anticipating rigourous border controls.) As a US citizen, I
    > should have had to present a passport, not an Italian identity card.

no, both France and Italy are member of the Shengen treaty, therefor
if your stay is legal in one it is legal in the other.

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Real programs don't eat cache

Greg Byshenk

Erwan David <[email protected]> wrote:
    > B Vaughan<[email protected]> wrote :

    > > However, my identity card should have presented a problem, but didn't.
    > > I'm now an Italian citizen, but I forgot that my identity card
    > > predates my citizenship and says that I'm a US citizen. (In any case,
    > > I wasn't anticipating rigourous border controls.) As a US citizen, I
    > > should have had to present a passport, not an Italian identity card.

    > no, both France and Italy are member of the Shengen treaty, therefor
    > if your stay is legal in one it is legal in the other.

Well, yes and no.

For tourist visas, Schengen states are essentially equivalent. But
Ms. Vaughn is resident in Italy, and such is not the same for cases of
residence. In my own case, as a resident alien in the Netherlands, I
do _not_ automatically have the right to reside in other Schengen or
EU states. Actually, I'm uncertain what the rules are for tourism
outside of one's residence, though I suspect that there are some
limits of stay for tourism.

Additionally, the issue seems to be not merely what is legal, but the
ability to demonstrate such. As an Italian citizen, Ms. Vaughn is now
entitled to travel freely throughout the entire EU. But
inconsistencies in one's documents may cause problems (or at least
additional hassles) at border crossings -- which is what I think she
was suggesting.


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