Train travel in Europe
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On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 19:32:07 +0200, "tim"
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>As in this coming 10th August. You will be lucky indeed
>to get any sort of reservation on many overnight trains
>at that notice during "interrail backpacker" season
Thanks for your useful comments. How do I make a reservation from
North America? Do I have to be in Europe to make one? My first stop
is Amsterdam. Can I make ALL my onward reservations at Amsterdam
Centraal?
Bronson
<[email protected]> wrote:
>As in this coming 10th August. You will be lucky indeed
>to get any sort of reservation on many overnight trains
>at that notice during "interrail backpacker" season
Thanks for your useful comments. How do I make a reservation from
North America? Do I have to be in Europe to make one? My first stop
is Amsterdam. Can I make ALL my onward reservations at Amsterdam
Centraal?
Bronson
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On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 19:32:07 +0200, "tim"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>As in this coming 10th August. You will be lucky indeed
>>to get any sort of reservation on many overnight trains
>>at that notice during "interrail backpacker" season
Thanks for your useful comments. I wonder if the "interrail
backpackers" whom I guess are mainly Europeans travel in First Class?
Hopefully they stay in 2nd class so there are more seats in First?
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>As in this coming 10th August. You will be lucky indeed
>>to get any sort of reservation on many overnight trains
>>at that notice during "interrail backpacker" season
Thanks for your useful comments. I wonder if the "interrail
backpackers" whom I guess are mainly Europeans travel in First Class?
Hopefully they stay in 2nd class so there are more seats in First?
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On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 19:17:16 GMT, Bronson Lee <[email protected]>
wrote:
>On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 19:32:07 +0200, "tim"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>As in this coming 10th August. You will be lucky indeed
>>to get any sort of reservation on many overnight trains
>>at that notice during "interrail backpacker" season
>Thanks for your useful comments. How do I make a reservation from
>North America? Do I have to be in Europe to make one? My first stop
>is Amsterdam. Can I make ALL my onward reservations at Amsterdam
>Centraal?
The details are here.
http://www.ns.nl/servlet/Satellite?c...lang=nl&c=Page
My son and his three friends had no problem getting reservations on a
night train from A'dam to Munich this week.
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>On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 19:32:07 +0200, "tim"
><[email protected]> wrote:
>>As in this coming 10th August. You will be lucky indeed
>>to get any sort of reservation on many overnight trains
>>at that notice during "interrail backpacker" season
>Thanks for your useful comments. How do I make a reservation from
>North America? Do I have to be in Europe to make one? My first stop
>is Amsterdam. Can I make ALL my onward reservations at Amsterdam
>Centraal?
The details are here.
http://www.ns.nl/servlet/Satellite?c...lang=nl&c=Page
My son and his three friends had no problem getting reservations on a
night train from A'dam to Munich this week.
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Bronson Lee wrote:
> It is my first trip to Europe next week. I will be visiting Benelux,
> France, Switzerland and Italy. I only have 12 days to visit them all.
> I have purchased the Eurailpass so I will be able to have unlimited
> travel to these places.
> I have some questions for the experienced travellers in this group.
> I will appreciate any helpful responses.
> 1. What are the top sights/cities/destinations to see in this short
> period? Remember I only have 12 days. Do not tell me I am too
> ambitious about covering too many countries in 12 days. I have
> already made up my mind and 12 days is all I have.
> 2. How do I save on accomodation? I know prices are sky high as this
> time but there must be ways to save money. Could I sleep on the trains
> to save $$$? Are there cheap hotels? I don't want to stay in hostels.
The best way to avoid high prices is to avoid the top tourist cities.
Paris is a wonderful place, but very pricey. Reims is only about 1 1/2
away and you can get nice accommodation for less than 1/2 what you would
pay in Paris. It's not Paris, but it is very nice. If you are planning
on going to Venice, you can stay in Padua, about a 20 minute train ride
away. You can slip into Venice, have a look around, take a Vaporatto ride
around the canals, maybe have a meal., and then slip back to Padua at the
end of the day to your much cheaper hotel room.
> 3. What are the things to watch out for? For Canadians like us which
> are used to relative safety and stability, what are things we have to
> be careful about?
Europe is no less safe than Canada. The biggest risk is probably
pickpockets, since they tend to work areas with a lot of tourists. Carry
only as much money as you can afford to lose, and keep your credit cards
and passport in more secure places.
> 5. Where can I go for the best European experiences? I love
> culture,sights, food and local festivals.
Avoid the big cities. As well has being more expensive, you will likely
see more tourists and restaurants and attractions geared toward tourists
than local flavour.
> Any other general tips will be much appreciated. Thank you.
Get moving early in the morning. Hop on the earliest train you can and
get your daily travel over with so that you can enjoy your destination.
Personally, I think that you are really pushing it to plan to see
Switzerland and Italy as well as France, Belgium and Holland. I would
suggest that you go to Germany instead. There are lots of great places
there, and you will cut down on your travel time.
BTW.... you might want to check and make sure that your rail pass is valid
before hoping on a train in Switzerland. Some of the rails there are
privately run and not covered by the Eurail pass.
> It is my first trip to Europe next week. I will be visiting Benelux,
> France, Switzerland and Italy. I only have 12 days to visit them all.
> I have purchased the Eurailpass so I will be able to have unlimited
> travel to these places.
> I have some questions for the experienced travellers in this group.
> I will appreciate any helpful responses.
> 1. What are the top sights/cities/destinations to see in this short
> period? Remember I only have 12 days. Do not tell me I am too
> ambitious about covering too many countries in 12 days. I have
> already made up my mind and 12 days is all I have.
> 2. How do I save on accomodation? I know prices are sky high as this
> time but there must be ways to save money. Could I sleep on the trains
> to save $$$? Are there cheap hotels? I don't want to stay in hostels.
The best way to avoid high prices is to avoid the top tourist cities.
Paris is a wonderful place, but very pricey. Reims is only about 1 1/2
away and you can get nice accommodation for less than 1/2 what you would
pay in Paris. It's not Paris, but it is very nice. If you are planning
on going to Venice, you can stay in Padua, about a 20 minute train ride
away. You can slip into Venice, have a look around, take a Vaporatto ride
around the canals, maybe have a meal., and then slip back to Padua at the
end of the day to your much cheaper hotel room.
> 3. What are the things to watch out for? For Canadians like us which
> are used to relative safety and stability, what are things we have to
> be careful about?
Europe is no less safe than Canada. The biggest risk is probably
pickpockets, since they tend to work areas with a lot of tourists. Carry
only as much money as you can afford to lose, and keep your credit cards
and passport in more secure places.
> 5. Where can I go for the best European experiences? I love
> culture,sights, food and local festivals.
Avoid the big cities. As well has being more expensive, you will likely
see more tourists and restaurants and attractions geared toward tourists
than local flavour.
> Any other general tips will be much appreciated. Thank you.
Get moving early in the morning. Hop on the earliest train you can and
get your daily travel over with so that you can enjoy your destination.
Personally, I think that you are really pushing it to plan to see
Switzerland and Italy as well as France, Belgium and Holland. I would
suggest that you go to Germany instead. There are lots of great places
there, and you will cut down on your travel time.
BTW.... you might want to check and make sure that your rail pass is valid
before hoping on a train in Switzerland. Some of the rails there are
privately run and not covered by the Eurail pass.
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"Bronson Lee" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
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> On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 19:32:07 +0200, "tim"
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>As in this coming 10th August. You will be lucky indeed
> >>to get any sort of reservation on many overnight trains
> >>at that notice during "interrail backpacker" season
> Thanks for your useful comments. I wonder if the "interrail
> backpackers" whom I guess are mainly Europeans travel in First Class?
> Hopefully they stay in 2nd class so there are more seats in First?
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Interrail is mainly valid for 2 class only, unless you pay a surcharge being
the difference between 2cl and 1cl.
There's less business travelling in August so you're possibly more likely to
find a seat in 1cl.
As for night trains couchettes may be sold out and sleepers may be used for
alternatively 2 or 1cl and there's much demand for leisure trips so you're
advised to make reservations for night trains as soon as possible.
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> On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 19:32:07 +0200, "tim"
> ><[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>As in this coming 10th August. You will be lucky indeed
> >>to get any sort of reservation on many overnight trains
> >>at that notice during "interrail backpacker" season
> Thanks for your useful comments. I wonder if the "interrail
> backpackers" whom I guess are mainly Europeans travel in First Class?
> Hopefully they stay in 2nd class so there are more seats in First?
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Interrail is mainly valid for 2 class only, unless you pay a surcharge being
the difference between 2cl and 1cl.
There's less business travelling in August so you're possibly more likely to
find a seat in 1cl.
As for night trains couchettes may be sold out and sleepers may be used for
alternatively 2 or 1cl and there's much demand for leisure trips so you're
advised to make reservations for night trains as soon as possible.
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On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 21:35:28 +0200, [email protected] wrote:
>The details are here.
>http://www.ns.nl/servlet/Satellite?c...lang=nl&c=Page
>My son and his three friends had no problem getting reservations on a
>night train from A'dam to Munich this week.
Thank you for this site suggestion. This is an amazing rail schedule
site as well, providing all the details of conecting train routes
which no other site provides!
>The details are here.
>http://www.ns.nl/servlet/Satellite?c...lang=nl&c=Page
>My son and his three friends had no problem getting reservations on a
>night train from A'dam to Munich this week.
Thank you for this site suggestion. This is an amazing rail schedule
site as well, providing all the details of conecting train routes
which no other site provides!
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On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 20:32:15 GMT, Bronson Lee <[email protected]>
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>On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 21:35:28 +0200, [email protected] wrote:
>>The details are here.
>>http://www.ns.nl/servlet/Satellite?c...lang=nl&c=Page
>>My son and his three friends had no problem getting reservations on a
>>night train from A'dam to Munich this week.
>Thank you for this site suggestion. This is an amazing rail schedule
>site as well, providing all the details of conecting train routes
>which no other site provides!
It knows things about trains in UK, that UK doesn't know.
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>On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 21:35:28 +0200, [email protected] wrote:
>>The details are here.
>>http://www.ns.nl/servlet/Satellite?c...lang=nl&c=Page
>>My son and his three friends had no problem getting reservations on a
>>night train from A'dam to Munich this week.
>Thank you for this site suggestion. This is an amazing rail schedule
>site as well, providing all the details of conecting train routes
>which no other site provides!
It knows things about trains in UK, that UK doesn't know.
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> On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 20:32:15 GMT, Bronson Lee <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 21:35:28 +0200, [email protected] wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >>The details are here.
> >>
>>http://www.ns.nl/servlet/Satellite?c...e=www.ns.nl%2F
Page%2FArtikelPage_www.ns.nl&lang=nl&c=Page
> >>
> >>My son and his three friends had no problem getting reservations on a
> >>night train from A'dam to Munich this week.
> >
> >
> >Thank you for this site suggestion. This is an amazing rail schedule
> >site as well, providing all the details of conecting train routes
> >which no other site provides!
> It knows things about trains in UK, that UK doesn't know.
Which tends to somewhat suggest that it is wrong
tim
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> On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 20:32:15 GMT, Bronson Lee <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 21:35:28 +0200, [email protected] wrote:
> >
> >
> >>
> >>The details are here.
> >>
>>http://www.ns.nl/servlet/Satellite?c...e=www.ns.nl%2F
Page%2FArtikelPage_www.ns.nl&lang=nl&c=Page
> >>
> >>My son and his three friends had no problem getting reservations on a
> >>night train from A'dam to Munich this week.
> >
> >
> >Thank you for this site suggestion. This is an amazing rail schedule
> >site as well, providing all the details of conecting train routes
> >which no other site provides!
> It knows things about trains in UK, that UK doesn't know.
Which tends to somewhat suggest that it is wrong
tim
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Personally i prefer the DB site:
http://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/query.exe/en
or the SBB site:
http://fahrplan.sbb.ch/bin/query.exe/en
But as usual, YMMV.
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Bronson Lee wrote:
>
> On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 21:35:28 +0200, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >
> >The details are here.
> >
> >http://www.ns.nl/servlet/Satellite?c...lang=nl&c=Page
> >
> >My son and his three friends had no problem getting reservations on a
> >night train from A'dam to Munich this week.
>
> Thank you for this site suggestion. This is an amazing rail schedule
> site as well, providing all the details of conecting train routes
> which no other site provides!
http://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/query.exe/en
or the SBB site:
http://fahrplan.sbb.ch/bin/query.exe/en
But as usual, YMMV.
--
wf.
Bronson Lee wrote:
>
> On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 21:35:28 +0200, [email protected] wrote:
>
> >
> >The details are here.
> >
> >http://www.ns.nl/servlet/Satellite?c...lang=nl&c=Page
> >
> >My son and his three friends had no problem getting reservations on a
> >night train from A'dam to Munich this week.
>
> Thank you for this site suggestion. This is an amazing rail schedule
> site as well, providing all the details of conecting train routes
> which no other site provides!
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On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 13:34:53 +0200, "tim"
<[email protected]> wrote:
><[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 20:32:15 GMT, Bronson Lee <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> >On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 21:35:28 +0200, [email protected] wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >>The details are here.
>> >>
>>>http://www.ns.nl/servlet/Satellite?c...e=www.ns.nl%2F
>Page%2FArtikelPage_www.ns.nl&lang=nl&c=Page
>> >>
>> >>My son and his three friends had no problem getting reservations on a
>> >>night train from A'dam to Munich this week.
>> >
>> >
>> >Thank you for this site suggestion. This is an amazing rail schedule
>> >site as well, providing all the details of conecting train routes
>> >which no other site provides!
>> It knows things about trains in UK, that UK doesn't know.
>Which tends to somewhat suggest that it is wrong
No it was demonstrated to be right.
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><[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 20:32:15 GMT, Bronson Lee <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> >On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 21:35:28 +0200, [email protected] wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >>The details are here.
>> >>
>>>http://www.ns.nl/servlet/Satellite?c...e=www.ns.nl%2F
>Page%2FArtikelPage_www.ns.nl&lang=nl&c=Page
>> >>
>> >>My son and his three friends had no problem getting reservations on a
>> >>night train from A'dam to Munich this week.
>> >
>> >
>> >Thank you for this site suggestion. This is an amazing rail schedule
>> >site as well, providing all the details of conecting train routes
>> >which no other site provides!
>> It knows things about trains in UK, that UK doesn't know.
>Which tends to somewhat suggest that it is wrong
No it was demonstrated to be right.
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On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:47:07 +0200, Ulf Kutzner
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Bronson Lee schrieb:
>
>> I have considered the relative merits of all your postings. I have
>> finalised my itinerary for my European train trip. I will greatly
>> appreciate your tips and advice on this itinerary. Points that will
>> be appreciated are;
>>
>> * Are such train routes available?
>> * I have tried to maximise daytime travel by using overnight trains.
>> Are there such overnight trains available and what times are they?
>> * Does the route cover the best of the European countries?
>> * What are the chances of booking such trains, considering the high
>> season?
>Please share your train experiences.
I have a suggestion for anyone who will spend much time on trains
in German: the Bahncard 50. It's good for a year and provides a
50% discount on all tickets for the cardholder and others in
his/her party. It costs EUR 200 and the senior version is EUR
100. I bought mine in Koeln and saved the EUR 100 price as soon
as I bought tickets for my wife and I to Muenchen on the ICE.
They took my picture when I bought and gave me a temporary
Bahncard validation; the actual card was waiting for me at home
in the USA when I returned.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Bronson Lee schrieb:
>
>> I have considered the relative merits of all your postings. I have
>> finalised my itinerary for my European train trip. I will greatly
>> appreciate your tips and advice on this itinerary. Points that will
>> be appreciated are;
>>
>> * Are such train routes available?
>> * I have tried to maximise daytime travel by using overnight trains.
>> Are there such overnight trains available and what times are they?
>> * Does the route cover the best of the European countries?
>> * What are the chances of booking such trains, considering the high
>> season?
>Please share your train experiences.
I have a suggestion for anyone who will spend much time on trains
in German: the Bahncard 50. It's good for a year and provides a
50% discount on all tickets for the cardholder and others in
his/her party. It costs EUR 200 and the senior version is EUR
100. I bought mine in Koeln and saved the EUR 100 price as soon
as I bought tickets for my wife and I to Muenchen on the ICE.
They took my picture when I bought and gave me a temporary
Bahncard validation; the actual card was waiting for me at home
in the USA when I returned.
************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
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Bronson Lee schrieb:
> I have considered the relative merits of all your postings. I have
> finalised my itinerary for my European train trip. I will greatly
> appreciate your tips and advice on this itinerary. Points that will
> be appreciated are;
>
> * Are such train routes available?
> * I have tried to maximise daytime travel by using overnight trains.
> Are there such overnight trains available and what times are they?
> * Does the route cover the best of the European countries?
> * What are the chances of booking such trains, considering the high
> season?
Please share your train experiences.
Regards & X-post, ULF
> I have considered the relative merits of all your postings. I have
> finalised my itinerary for my European train trip. I will greatly
> appreciate your tips and advice on this itinerary. Points that will
> be appreciated are;
>
> * Are such train routes available?
> * I have tried to maximise daytime travel by using overnight trains.
> Are there such overnight trains available and what times are they?
> * Does the route cover the best of the European countries?
> * What are the chances of booking such trains, considering the high
> season?
Please share your train experiences.
Regards & X-post, ULF
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On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:57:22 -0400, "Tom Bellhouse"
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>"Hatunen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> I have a suggestion for anyone who will spend much time on trains
>> in German: the Bahncard 50. It's good for a year and provides a
>> 50% discount on all tickets for the cardholder and others in
>> his/her party. It costs EUR 200 and the senior version is EUR
>> 100. I bought mine in Koeln and saved the EUR 100 price as soon
>> as I bought tickets for my wife and I to Muenchen on the ICE.
>> They took my picture when I bought and gave me a temporary
>> Bahncard validation; the actual card was waiting for me at home
>> in the USA when I returned.
>Dave, do you recall what they consider "Senior"? It seems to vary.
At http://bahn.de it says "over 60"
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* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
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>"Hatunen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected].. .
>> I have a suggestion for anyone who will spend much time on trains
>> in German: the Bahncard 50. It's good for a year and provides a
>> 50% discount on all tickets for the cardholder and others in
>> his/her party. It costs EUR 200 and the senior version is EUR
>> 100. I bought mine in Koeln and saved the EUR 100 price as soon
>> as I bought tickets for my wife and I to Muenchen on the ICE.
>> They took my picture when I bought and gave me a temporary
>> Bahncard validation; the actual card was waiting for me at home
>> in the USA when I returned.
>Dave, do you recall what they consider "Senior"? It seems to vary.
At http://bahn.de it says "over 60"
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* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
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Dave, do you recall what they consider "Senior"? It seems to vary.
Tom
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> On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:47:07 +0200, Ulf Kutzner
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Bronson Lee schrieb:
> >
> >> I have considered the relative merits of all your postings. I have
> >> finalised my itinerary for my European train trip. I will greatly
> >> appreciate your tips and advice on this itinerary. Points that
will
> >> be appreciated are;
> >>
> >> * Are such train routes available?
> >> * I have tried to maximise daytime travel by using overnight
trains.
> >> Are there such overnight trains available and what times are they?
> >> * Does the route cover the best of the European countries?
> >> * What are the chances of booking such trains, considering the high
> >> season?
> >
> >Please share your train experiences.
> I have a suggestion for anyone who will spend much time on trains
> in German: the Bahncard 50. It's good for a year and provides a
> 50% discount on all tickets for the cardholder and others in
> his/her party. It costs EUR 200 and the senior version is EUR
> 100. I bought mine in Koeln and saved the EUR 100 price as soon
> as I bought tickets for my wife and I to Muenchen on the ICE.
> They took my picture when I bought and gave me a temporary
> Bahncard validation; the actual card was waiting for me at home
> in the USA when I returned.
> ************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
> * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
> * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Tom
"Hatunen" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 19:47:07 +0200, Ulf Kutzner
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >Bronson Lee schrieb:
> >
> >> I have considered the relative merits of all your postings. I have
> >> finalised my itinerary for my European train trip. I will greatly
> >> appreciate your tips and advice on this itinerary. Points that
will
> >> be appreciated are;
> >>
> >> * Are such train routes available?
> >> * I have tried to maximise daytime travel by using overnight
trains.
> >> Are there such overnight trains available and what times are they?
> >> * Does the route cover the best of the European countries?
> >> * What are the chances of booking such trains, considering the high
> >> season?
> >
> >Please share your train experiences.
> I have a suggestion for anyone who will spend much time on trains
> in German: the Bahncard 50. It's good for a year and provides a
> 50% discount on all tickets for the cardholder and others in
> his/her party. It costs EUR 200 and the senior version is EUR
> 100. I bought mine in Koeln and saved the EUR 100 price as soon
> as I bought tickets for my wife and I to Muenchen on the ICE.
> They took my picture when I bought and gave me a temporary
> Bahncard validation; the actual card was waiting for me at home
> in the USA when I returned.
> ************* DAVE HATUNEN ([email protected]) *************
> * Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
> * My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
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On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:57:22 -0400, "Tom Bellhouse"
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>Dave, do you recall what they consider "Senior"? It seems to vary.
>=60 https://www.bahncard-service.de/bahn...?bc_version=50
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>Dave, do you recall what they consider "Senior"? It seems to vary.
>=60 https://www.bahncard-service.de/bahn...?bc_version=50