Train travel in Europe
Aug 5th 2004, 7:13 am
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Re: Train travel in Europe
On 5 Aug 2004 16:19:24 GMT, Martin Bienwald <[email protected]>
wrote:
>B Vaughan schrieb:
>> Brussels has a beautiful train station
>Which one are you referring to? Neither Brussels South (modern and crowded)
>nor Brussels Central (an underground station with all the beauty of a
>pedestrian underpass) or Brussels North (modern and boring) come anywhere
>near "beautiful" IMO. Schaarbeek station is rather nice but only used by
>local trains nowadays.
I have to plead poetic license. (Also to you, Stelzjr.)
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wrote:
>B Vaughan schrieb:
>> Brussels has a beautiful train station
>Which one are you referring to? Neither Brussels South (modern and crowded)
>nor Brussels Central (an underground station with all the beauty of a
>pedestrian underpass) or Brussels North (modern and boring) come anywhere
>near "beautiful" IMO. Schaarbeek station is rather nice but only used by
>local trains nowadays.
I have to plead poetic license. (Also to you, Stelzjr.)
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Barbara Vaughan
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Aug 5th 2004, 8:57 am
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On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 11:29:52 -0700, Walt Bilofsky <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Bronson Lee <[email protected]> wrote:
>>I wonder if there are any cheap hotel recommendations in the
>>cities on this route?
>On our recent trip to Spain, I used tripadvisor.com. It has good user
>reviews and lists approximate price ranges (not always accurate), and
>has links to discount reservation sources for many properties.
>That said, it all takes time, which you may not have much of. And
>this is the busy season so accommodations may be full.
>What do people think about the accommodations counters in many train
>stations?
>- Walt
I don't think they offer budget priced hotels. Tourist offices,
however, often do have some in lower price ranges. I've made a
few trips with rail passes, booking hotels from tourist offices
when I arrived in a city. They always found me something in my
price range (low) except once when in Cologne there was a German
government conference nearby in Bonn. Then I just got back on
the train and went to the next city. Booking single rooms this
way, I've actually had some very nice surprises. However, I
traveled in the fall, not top tourist season. Often there were
long lines in the tourist office. When I say a low price range,
by the way, I mean no more than $50US. A couple of the offerings
were in 3 star hotels but had a little glitch -- one was a bathroom
down the hall, but really next door and I was the only one using
it. Another was a room with full bath and bidet, but there was
no outside window, just ventilation to the hall (but air
conditioning). That one was in Sorrento and was only $27US a
night plus a big free breakfast.
The thing is, one can ask and turn down higher priced offerings
(which the tourist offices always seem to push first), but if
they really have nothing cheap then you have to be prepared to
pay more. If you really can't afford more than a certain price,
then one should do a great deal of research and book ahead.
Also once arriving in Rome for the first time after 8 p.m. and
having no room booked, we could not find the tourist office. We
were looking at a board listing hotels when a hotel tout
approached me. He started with high priced hotels, but when I said
they were far, far too expensive, he came up with a hotel near
Termini station and said if I didn't like it I need not take it.
And carried my bag there and it was just fine and at my price.
So you CAN deal with hotel touts if you are adamant about how
much you will pay.
wrote:
>Bronson Lee <[email protected]> wrote:
>>I wonder if there are any cheap hotel recommendations in the
>>cities on this route?
>On our recent trip to Spain, I used tripadvisor.com. It has good user
>reviews and lists approximate price ranges (not always accurate), and
>has links to discount reservation sources for many properties.
>That said, it all takes time, which you may not have much of. And
>this is the busy season so accommodations may be full.
>What do people think about the accommodations counters in many train
>stations?
>- Walt
I don't think they offer budget priced hotels. Tourist offices,
however, often do have some in lower price ranges. I've made a
few trips with rail passes, booking hotels from tourist offices
when I arrived in a city. They always found me something in my
price range (low) except once when in Cologne there was a German
government conference nearby in Bonn. Then I just got back on
the train and went to the next city. Booking single rooms this
way, I've actually had some very nice surprises. However, I
traveled in the fall, not top tourist season. Often there were
long lines in the tourist office. When I say a low price range,
by the way, I mean no more than $50US. A couple of the offerings
were in 3 star hotels but had a little glitch -- one was a bathroom
down the hall, but really next door and I was the only one using
it. Another was a room with full bath and bidet, but there was
no outside window, just ventilation to the hall (but air
conditioning). That one was in Sorrento and was only $27US a
night plus a big free breakfast.
The thing is, one can ask and turn down higher priced offerings
(which the tourist offices always seem to push first), but if
they really have nothing cheap then you have to be prepared to
pay more. If you really can't afford more than a certain price,
then one should do a great deal of research and book ahead.
Also once arriving in Rome for the first time after 8 p.m. and
having no room booked, we could not find the tourist office. We
were looking at a board listing hotels when a hotel tout
approached me. He started with high priced hotels, but when I said
they were far, far too expensive, he came up with a hotel near
Termini station and said if I didn't like it I need not take it.
And carried my bag there and it was just fine and at my price.
So you CAN deal with hotel touts if you are adamant about how
much you will pay.
Aug 5th 2004, 9:49 am
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On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 16:19:24 +0000, Martin Bienwald wrote:
> B Vaughan schrieb:
>
>> Brussels has a beautiful train station
>
> Which one are you referring to? Neither Brussels South (modern and crowded)
> nor Brussels Central (an underground station with all the beauty of a
> pedestrian underpass) or Brussels North (modern and boring) come anywhere
> near "beautiful" IMO. Schaarbeek station is rather nice but only used by
> local trains nowadays.
>
> Antwerp Central used to be beautiful, and probably will be again when the
> rebuilding has been completed.
>
>> as does Milan.
>
> That one is indeed beautiful.
The Gare Centrale is due to Art Nouveau architect Victor Horta, actually.
At least, in contrast with the Maison du Peuple, it has not been
demolished yet, AFAIK.
> B Vaughan schrieb:
>
>> Brussels has a beautiful train station
>
> Which one are you referring to? Neither Brussels South (modern and crowded)
> nor Brussels Central (an underground station with all the beauty of a
> pedestrian underpass) or Brussels North (modern and boring) come anywhere
> near "beautiful" IMO. Schaarbeek station is rather nice but only used by
> local trains nowadays.
>
> Antwerp Central used to be beautiful, and probably will be again when the
> rebuilding has been completed.
>
>> as does Milan.
>
> That one is indeed beautiful.
The Gare Centrale is due to Art Nouveau architect Victor Horta, actually.
At least, in contrast with the Maison du Peuple, it has not been
demolished yet, AFAIK.
Aug 5th 2004, 11:07 am
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Did he say whether or not he was a railfan? If so, then the whole point
of trip might be to get in the 12 days of rail travel, the cities
themselves would be of no particular interest. BTDT.
John Bermont wrote:
> Well, Bronson hasn't enough time to actually see or do much of anything
> except to travel. He evidently knows this, but he has already bought his
> Eurailpass. If it was my trip I would have planned long ago and budgeted
> 2 months for this group of countries. With only the 12 days he has I
> would have spent half in Paris and half in Amsterdam or Haarlem, and
> skipped the Eurailpass.
of trip might be to get in the 12 days of rail travel, the cities
themselves would be of no particular interest. BTDT.
John Bermont wrote:
> Well, Bronson hasn't enough time to actually see or do much of anything
> except to travel. He evidently knows this, but he has already bought his
> Eurailpass. If it was my trip I would have planned long ago and budgeted
> 2 months for this group of countries. With only the 12 days he has I
> would have spent half in Paris and half in Amsterdam or Haarlem, and
> skipped the Eurailpass.
Aug 5th 2004, 11:13 am
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I guess I don't see that as a problem since on a train, unlike on an
airplane, you are frequently walking the train - to and from the dining
car or the lounge, or just one end to the other and you get off at the
stations for a minute or two, etc.
--
wf.
B Vaughan wrote:
>
> Long train voyages put you at risk of deep vein thrombosis in the
> legs. Probably on the way over, your airline magazine will suggest
> ways to minimize the risk. Since you'll be spending most of your 12
> days on the train, memorize these guidelines and practice them on the
> train.
>
airplane, you are frequently walking the train - to and from the dining
car or the lounge, or just one end to the other and you get off at the
stations for a minute or two, etc.
--
wf.
B Vaughan wrote:
>
> Long train voyages put you at risk of deep vein thrombosis in the
> legs. Probably on the way over, your airline magazine will suggest
> ways to minimize the risk. Since you'll be spending most of your 12
> days on the train, memorize these guidelines and practice them on the
> train.
>
Aug 5th 2004, 11:46 am
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On Thu, 05 Aug 2004, Walt Bilofsky wrote:
> Day 4: Amsterdam - Antwerp: 2 hours 14 minutes
> Antwerp - Brugges: 1:23
> Brugges - Paris: 2:31
> Day 6: Paris - Geneva: 3:35 (TGV)
If I understand correctly, you propose arriving in Paris some time in the
evening (after travelling by train for six hours and "visiting" two cities
the same day), finding a hotel and getting there, checking out the next
morning, and leaving by mid-afternoon to take a train to Geneva. This
makes no sense to me.
Yves Bellefeuille
<[email protected]>
> Day 4: Amsterdam - Antwerp: 2 hours 14 minutes
> Antwerp - Brugges: 1:23
> Brugges - Paris: 2:31
> Day 6: Paris - Geneva: 3:35 (TGV)
If I understand correctly, you propose arriving in Paris some time in the
evening (after travelling by train for six hours and "visiting" two cities
the same day), finding a hotel and getting there, checking out the next
morning, and leaving by mid-afternoon to take a train to Geneva. This
makes no sense to me.
Yves Bellefeuille
<[email protected]>
Aug 5th 2004, 1:44 pm
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Yves Bellefeuille <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Thu, 05 Aug 2004, Walt Bilofsky wrote:
>> Day 4: Amsterdam - Antwerp: 2 hours 14 minutes
>> Antwerp - Brugges: 1:23
>> Brugges - Paris: 2:31
>> Day 6: Paris - Geneva: 3:35 (TGV)
>If I understand correctly, you propose arriving in Paris some time in the
>evening (after travelling by train for six hours and "visiting" two cities
>the same day), finding a hotel and getting there, checking out the next
>morning, and leaving by mid-afternoon to take a train to Geneva. This
>makes no sense to me.
>Yves Bellefeuille
><[email protected]>
I propose arriving in Paris the night of Day 4 and leaving on Day 6.
This gives two nights and a full day in Paris.
- Walt Bilofsky
>On Thu, 05 Aug 2004, Walt Bilofsky wrote:
>> Day 4: Amsterdam - Antwerp: 2 hours 14 minutes
>> Antwerp - Brugges: 1:23
>> Brugges - Paris: 2:31
>> Day 6: Paris - Geneva: 3:35 (TGV)
>If I understand correctly, you propose arriving in Paris some time in the
>evening (after travelling by train for six hours and "visiting" two cities
>the same day), finding a hotel and getting there, checking out the next
>morning, and leaving by mid-afternoon to take a train to Geneva. This
>makes no sense to me.
>Yves Bellefeuille
><[email protected]>
I propose arriving in Paris the night of Day 4 and leaving on Day 6.
This gives two nights and a full day in Paris.
- Walt Bilofsky
Aug 5th 2004, 9:24 pm
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Mimi <[email protected]> wrote:
> Well, if you're going to Interlaken, I'd skip Geneva. Or replace both by
> Lucerne, where you get a nice combination of city-lake-easy access to
> mountains. Depends on the train schedule.
Mountain places like Interlaken make little sense if you do not have
enough time to spend there hiking. BTW, weather makes an huge difference
and allocating a single day to a mountain places means that it can be
easily wasted by a rainy afternoon. Actually, the only reason to spend a
*single* day around Interlaken would be being a railfan and travelling
as much as possible on the very interesting railways there.
For Florence, try asking Istituto Gould, via de' Serragli.
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> Well, if you're going to Interlaken, I'd skip Geneva. Or replace both by
> Lucerne, where you get a nice combination of city-lake-easy access to
> mountains. Depends on the train schedule.
Mountain places like Interlaken make little sense if you do not have
enough time to spend there hiking. BTW, weather makes an huge difference
and allocating a single day to a mountain places means that it can be
easily wasted by a rainy afternoon. Actually, the only reason to spend a
*single* day around Interlaken would be being a railfan and travelling
as much as possible on the very interesting railways there.
For Florence, try asking Istituto Gould, via de' Serragli.
--
Luca Logi - Firenze - Italy e-mail: [email protected]
Aug 6th 2004, 12:20 am
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On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 17:13:54 -0600, randee <[email protected]> wrote:
>I guess I don't see that as a problem since on a train, unlike on an
>airplane, you are frequently walking the train - to and from the dining
>car or the lounge, or just one end to the other and you get off at the
>stations for a minute or two, etc.
I guess you also didn't see that my post was in jest.
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>I guess I don't see that as a problem since on a train, unlike on an
>airplane, you are frequently walking the train - to and from the dining
>car or the lounge, or just one end to the other and you get off at the
>stations for a minute or two, etc.
I guess you also didn't see that my post was in jest.
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Aug 6th 2004, 4:57 am
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[email protected] (Luca Logi) wrote in message news:<1gi2gj2.388pbt1ekwhhfN%[email protected]>...
> Mimi <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Well, if you're going to Interlaken, I'd skip Geneva. Or replace both by
> > Lucerne, where you get a nice combination of city-lake-easy access to
> > mountains. Depends on the train schedule.
>
> Mountain places like Interlaken make little sense if you do not have
> enough time to spend there hiking. BTW, weather makes an huge difference
> and allocating a single day to a mountain places means that it can be
> easily wasted by a rainy afternoon. Actually, the only reason to spend a
> *single* day around Interlaken would be being a railfan and travelling
> as much as possible on the very interesting railways there.
Interlaken is great for adventure sports. If you want to go ice
climbing, rock climbing, bungee jumping, paragliding, or canyoning,
etc., you can do any of those there.
> Mimi <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Well, if you're going to Interlaken, I'd skip Geneva. Or replace both by
> > Lucerne, where you get a nice combination of city-lake-easy access to
> > mountains. Depends on the train schedule.
>
> Mountain places like Interlaken make little sense if you do not have
> enough time to spend there hiking. BTW, weather makes an huge difference
> and allocating a single day to a mountain places means that it can be
> easily wasted by a rainy afternoon. Actually, the only reason to spend a
> *single* day around Interlaken would be being a railfan and travelling
> as much as possible on the very interesting railways there.
Interlaken is great for adventure sports. If you want to go ice
climbing, rock climbing, bungee jumping, paragliding, or canyoning,
etc., you can do any of those there.
Aug 6th 2004, 8:06 am
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"Iceman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> [email protected] (Luca Logi) wrote in message
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> > Mimi <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > Well, if you're going to Interlaken, I'd skip Geneva. Or replace both
by
> > > Lucerne, where you get a nice combination of city-lake-easy access to
> > > mountains. Depends on the train schedule.
> >
> > Mountain places like Interlaken make little sense if you do not have
> > enough time to spend there hiking. BTW, weather makes an huge difference
> > and allocating a single day to a mountain places means that it can be
> > easily wasted by a rainy afternoon. Actually, the only reason to spend a
> > *single* day around Interlaken would be being a railfan and travelling
> > as much as possible on the very interesting railways there.
> Interlaken is great for adventure sports. If you want to go ice
> climbing, rock climbing, bungee jumping, paragliding, or canyoning,
> etc., you can do any of those there.
But an American (or it would seem a Canadian) isn't going to
travel to Europe to do this. They can get as much of this as
they want, much much nearer to home
tim
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> [email protected] (Luca Logi) wrote in message
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> > Mimi <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > Well, if you're going to Interlaken, I'd skip Geneva. Or replace both
by
> > > Lucerne, where you get a nice combination of city-lake-easy access to
> > > mountains. Depends on the train schedule.
> >
> > Mountain places like Interlaken make little sense if you do not have
> > enough time to spend there hiking. BTW, weather makes an huge difference
> > and allocating a single day to a mountain places means that it can be
> > easily wasted by a rainy afternoon. Actually, the only reason to spend a
> > *single* day around Interlaken would be being a railfan and travelling
> > as much as possible on the very interesting railways there.
> Interlaken is great for adventure sports. If you want to go ice
> climbing, rock climbing, bungee jumping, paragliding, or canyoning,
> etc., you can do any of those there.
But an American (or it would seem a Canadian) isn't going to
travel to Europe to do this. They can get as much of this as
they want, much much nearer to home
tim
Aug 6th 2004, 8:17 am
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tim <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Interlaken is great for adventure sports. If you want to go ice
> > climbing, rock climbing, bungee jumping, paragliding, or canyoning,
> > etc., you can do any of those there.
>
> But an American (or it would seem a Canadian) isn't going to
> travel to Europe to do this. They can get as much of this as
> they want, much much nearer to home
For example, you cannot do serious rock climbing in a single day. You
have to leave early and be sure the weather is as good as possible. I
have read that there was a big increase of climbing accidents in the
Alps, due to all the people having only free weekends, and insisting to
go climbing on their available days, no matter what the weather is.
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> > Interlaken is great for adventure sports. If you want to go ice
> > climbing, rock climbing, bungee jumping, paragliding, or canyoning,
> > etc., you can do any of those there.
>
> But an American (or it would seem a Canadian) isn't going to
> travel to Europe to do this. They can get as much of this as
> they want, much much nearer to home
For example, you cannot do serious rock climbing in a single day. You
have to leave early and be sure the weather is as good as possible. I
have read that there was a big increase of climbing accidents in the
Alps, due to all the people having only free weekends, and insisting to
go climbing on their available days, no matter what the weather is.
--
Luca Logi - Firenze - Italy e-mail: [email protected]
Home page: http://www.angelfire.com/ar/archivarius
(musicologia pratica)
Aug 7th 2004, 3:30 am
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Hello,
I have considered the relative merits of all your postings. I have
finalised my itinerary for my European train trip. I will greatly
appreciate your tips and advice on this itinerary. Points that will
be appreciated are;
* Are such train routes available?
* I have tried to maximise daytime travel by using overnight trains.
Are there such overnight trains available and what times are they?
* Does the route cover the best of the European countries?
* What are the chances of booking such trains, considering the high
season?
ITINERARY
August 2004
Dates Destination
10,11th Amsterdam
11th night Overnight train to Paris. Arrive in Paris on
the 12th.
12, 13,14th Paris
14th night Overnight train to Venice. Arrive in Venice
on the 15th.
15th Venice.
15th night Overnight train to Rome. Arrive in Rome on
the 16th.
16, 17, 18th Rome
18th night Overnight train to Zurich
19th Zurich
19th night Overnight train to Amsterdam
20th Amsterdam
21st Depart Amsterdam for home
Thank you in advance.
Bronson Lee
Canada
I have considered the relative merits of all your postings. I have
finalised my itinerary for my European train trip. I will greatly
appreciate your tips and advice on this itinerary. Points that will
be appreciated are;
* Are such train routes available?
* I have tried to maximise daytime travel by using overnight trains.
Are there such overnight trains available and what times are they?
* Does the route cover the best of the European countries?
* What are the chances of booking such trains, considering the high
season?
ITINERARY
August 2004
Dates Destination
10,11th Amsterdam
11th night Overnight train to Paris. Arrive in Paris on
the 12th.
12, 13,14th Paris
14th night Overnight train to Venice. Arrive in Venice
on the 15th.
15th Venice.
15th night Overnight train to Rome. Arrive in Rome on
the 16th.
16, 17, 18th Rome
18th night Overnight train to Zurich
19th Zurich
19th night Overnight train to Amsterdam
20th Amsterdam
21st Depart Amsterdam for home
Thank you in advance.
Bronson Lee
Canada
Aug 7th 2004, 3:48 am
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On Sat, 07 Aug 2004 15:30:48 GMT, Bronson Lee <[email protected]>
wrote:
>Hello,
>I have considered the relative merits of all your postings. I have
>finalised my itinerary for my European train trip. I will greatly
>appreciate your tips and advice on this itinerary. Points that will
>be appreciated are;
>* Are such train routes available?
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>Hello,
>I have considered the relative merits of all your postings. I have
>finalised my itinerary for my European train trip. I will greatly
>appreciate your tips and advice on this itinerary. Points that will
>be appreciated are;
>* Are such train routes available?
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Aug 7th 2004, 5:32 am
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"Bronson Lee" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Hello,
> I have considered the relative merits of all your postings. I have
> finalised my itinerary for my European train trip. I will greatly
> appreciate your tips and advice on this itinerary. Points that will
> be appreciated are;
> * Are such train routes available?
> * I have tried to maximise daytime travel by using overnight trains.
> Are there such overnight trains available and what times are they?
> * Does the route cover the best of the European countries?
> * What are the chances of booking such trains, considering the high
> season?
> ITINERARY
> August 2004
> Dates Destination
> 10,11th Amsterdam
As in this coming 10th August. You will be lucky indeed
to get any sort of reservation on many overnight trains
at that notice during "interrail backpacker" season
> 11th night Overnight train to Paris. Arrive in Paris on
> the 12th.
Nope, not unless you spend 5 hours siting at an intermediate
station, it's a 4 hour journey on an express train
> 12, 13,14th Paris
> 14th night Overnight train to Venice. Arrive in Venice
> on the 15th.
20:01 arrive 8:16
> 15th Venice.
> 15th night Overnight train to Rome. Arrive in Rome on
> the 16th.
a not particularly convenient
00:04 arriving 6:56
> 16, 17, 18th Rome
> 18th night Overnight train to Zurich
20:38 arrive 8:51
> 19th Zurich
> 19th night Overnight train to Amsterdam
> 20th Amsterdam
20:44 arrive 9:41.
A CNL train, with compulsory reservation.
You won't get on this train if you haven't reserved
a seat.
> 21st Depart Amsterdam for home
Um.....
HTH
tim
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> Hello,
> I have considered the relative merits of all your postings. I have
> finalised my itinerary for my European train trip. I will greatly
> appreciate your tips and advice on this itinerary. Points that will
> be appreciated are;
> * Are such train routes available?
> * I have tried to maximise daytime travel by using overnight trains.
> Are there such overnight trains available and what times are they?
> * Does the route cover the best of the European countries?
> * What are the chances of booking such trains, considering the high
> season?
> ITINERARY
> August 2004
> Dates Destination
> 10,11th Amsterdam
As in this coming 10th August. You will be lucky indeed
to get any sort of reservation on many overnight trains
at that notice during "interrail backpacker" season
> 11th night Overnight train to Paris. Arrive in Paris on
> the 12th.
Nope, not unless you spend 5 hours siting at an intermediate
station, it's a 4 hour journey on an express train
> 12, 13,14th Paris
> 14th night Overnight train to Venice. Arrive in Venice
> on the 15th.
20:01 arrive 8:16
> 15th Venice.
> 15th night Overnight train to Rome. Arrive in Rome on
> the 16th.
a not particularly convenient
00:04 arriving 6:56
> 16, 17, 18th Rome
> 18th night Overnight train to Zurich
20:38 arrive 8:51
> 19th Zurich
> 19th night Overnight train to Amsterdam
> 20th Amsterdam
20:44 arrive 9:41.
A CNL train, with compulsory reservation.
You won't get on this train if you haven't reserved
a seat.
> 21st Depart Amsterdam for home
Um.....
HTH
tim
