Train travel from Amsterdam.. wink, wink
 

If a person were to fly into Amsterdam and then use a Eurail pass to travel
to Germany and France, would they be able to take a small amount of hash
with them or would they likely end up in a Midnight Express scenario? Just
curious as to the level of enforcement a person might expect.

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"FL Jim" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:ZAY%[email protected] m...
    > If a person were to fly into Amsterdam and then use a Eurail pass to
travel
    > to Germany and France, would they be able to take a small amount of hash
    > with them or would they likely end up in a Midnight Express scenario? Just
    > curious as to the level of enforcement a person might expect.

You're going to take the advice of complete strangers via the internet to
provide you tips on how to smuggle illegal drugs across international
borders?

LOL!
You're not even as smart as YOU thought you were!

Re: Train travel from Amsterdam.. wink, wink
 

The French, and especially the German police take great delight in searching
likely looking supects on trains from the Netherlands. I would not recommend
your plan. Enjoy the beauty of Europe. Then go back to Amsterdam and smoke
your brains out.


MikeR" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
    > "FL Jim" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:ZAY%[email protected] m...
    > > If a person were to fly into Amsterdam and then use a Eurail pass to
    > travel
    > > to Germany and France, would they be able to take a small amount of hash
    > > with them or would they likely end up in a Midnight Express scenario?
Just
    > > curious as to the level of enforcement a person might expect.
    > You're going to take the advice of complete strangers via the internet to
    > provide you tips on how to smuggle illegal drugs across international
    > borders?
    > LOL!
    > You're not even as smart as YOU thought you were!

Re: Train travel from Amsterdam.. wink, wink
 

    >If a person were to fly into Amsterdam and then use a Eurail pass to travel
    >to Germany and France, would they be able to take a small amount of hash
    >with them or would they likely end up in a Midnight Express scenario? Just
    >curious as to the level of enforcement a person might expect.

Do not even think about taking hash across borders. Crossing the
Dutch-Belgian border by bus you will often see some buses stopped at
the side of the road and forced to empty all of their passengers'
luggage on the grass. I haven't taken the train, but I assume the
security is equally strict if not stricter - Belgian and German police
are very insistent on keeping Holland's drugs in Holland. If you are
caught taking more than a tiny bit of drugs across borders, that may
be deemed to be "trafficking" rather than "possession" and you will
face a long jail term and your embassy won't want to help you. If you
want to smoke in Germany or France, meet some locals and have them
hook you up.

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Hi,

I have heard stories of the french hassling the 2nd class / eurailpass
class of passengers on the overnight train from amsterdam.

they've never bothered me in a decade plus... but I've alway had a
first class couchette... one trip I was the only person in the first
class couchettes!

in any case I understand that train is no more.

the belgians and the germans don't seem to care much... the french get
more upset.

or so I've been told.

so....

don't smoke on the train....

Iceman wrote:

    >>If a person were to fly into Amsterdam and then use a Eurail pass to travel
    >>to Germany and France, would they be able to take a small amount of hash
    >>with them or would they likely end up in a Midnight Express scenario? Just
    >>curious as to the level of enforcement a person might expect.
    >
    >
    > Do not even think about taking hash across borders. Crossing the
    > Dutch-Belgian border by bus you will often see some buses stopped at
    > the side of the road and forced to empty all of their passengers'
    > luggage on the grass. I haven't taken the train, but I assume the
    > security is equally strict if not stricter - Belgian and German police
    > are very insistent on keeping Holland's drugs in Holland. If you are
    > caught taking more than a tiny bit of drugs across borders, that may
    > be deemed to be "trafficking" rather than "possession" and you will
    > face a long jail term and your embassy won't want to help you. If you
    > want to smoke in Germany or France, meet some locals and have them
    > hook you up.

-

Re: Train travel from Amsterdam.. wink, wink
 

On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 17:28:25 GMT, "FL Jim" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >If a person were to fly into Amsterdam and then use a Eurail pass to travel
    >to Germany and France, would they be able to take a small amount of hash
    >with them or would they likely end up in a Midnight Express scenario? Just
    >curious as to the level of enforcement a person might expect.

Here are two options.

1. Place your hash or weed into a NORMAL plain looking envelope,
making certain it's in plastic. Then put an innocuous name and a stamp
onto it, and forward it to the country of your choice. A couple of
years back I did this twice from Amsterdam, and once from Copenhagen,
and had no problems. On one of those occasions it stank by the time I
got it, and am surprised the postman didn't take it.

2. Take the hash onto the train, and hide it somewhere on the train,
and not in your bags. If it's found, you don't know anything about it.
Make certain the border check occurs on the train, and not when you
get off. Never ever carry drugs across a border on your person.

The penalty for a small amount of weed is not too severe in France or
Germany, although in France they are reportedly quite tough on it. Do
it entirely at your own risk of course.
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FL Jim <[email protected]> wrote:

    > If a person were to fly into Amsterdam and then use a Eurail pass to travel
    > to Germany and France, would they be able to take a small amount of hash
    > with them or would they likely end up in a Midnight Express scenario? Just
    > curious as to the level of enforcement a person might expect.

I'm a little surprised by the other comments here, because at least in
between the Netherlands and Belgium/Germany, I've never encountered any
controls on the train. Are they common? There are no customs checks
obviously, so wouldn't they have to have pretty serious suspicion to
have a search?

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chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn wrote:
    > FL Jim <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>If a person were to fly into Amsterdam and then use a Eurail pass to travel
    >>to Germany and France, would they be able to take a small amount of hash
    >>with them or would they likely end up in a Midnight Express scenario? Just
    >>curious as to the level of enforcement a person might expect.
    >
    >
    > I'm a little surprised by the other comments here, because at least in
    > between the Netherlands and Belgium/Germany, I've never encountered any
    > controls on the train. Are they common? There are no customs checks
    > obviously, so wouldn't they have to have pretty serious suspicion to
    > have a search?
    >
One reason is that it would be pretty difficult on a crowded train to
identify the owner of any illicit substances. Too easy to say "that bag
isn't mine".

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Deep Foiled Malls schrieb:

    > The penalty for a small amount of weed is not too severe in France or
    > Germany, although in France they are reportedly quite tough on it. Do
    > it entirely at your own risk of course.

A criminal record and maybe he is told to leave the Schengen area and
not to come back if he is not a EU citizen.

Regards, ULF

Re: Train travel from Amsterdam.. wink, wink
 

I would not recommend it. Although I have never been searched or had
my bags searched while in Europe (I keep my dirty underwear on the top
of my bag (inside), nobody likes their job that much), I would not
recommend drug smuggling in Europe. The main reason is since there is
no formal border control at the actual border, you can be
questioned/interrogated/searched once you are well in the country (as
in Paris train station). I once got off a train from Amsterdam and they
were searching many of my fellow passengers. I simply had to show my
Canadian passport. But I would have been scared silly if I had
anything. Even perfectly legal Dutch magazines can get you locked up in
France.

Dogs got on the train at some random point between Sweden and Norway.
Ironically, dogs were sniffing bags on my way into Sweden as well (from
Denmark, off the ferry). Although I'm sure Scandinavian jails are
quite nice and filled to the rim with Ikea furniture, Scandinavian
lawyers probably cost a lot (just like everything else).

I knew a guy who mailed poste restante a parcel from Holland to the
Czech Republic. When you think about it, probably a safe way to do it
unless the post office is attached to a police station and the clerk
takes too long in the back "searching" for your parcel.

Still, I'd let the locals who already have criminal records take the
risk for me. You get bared from a Eurozone country, you get bared from
Europe (and probably from the nosy USA as well). Is that really worth
the price of a few Euros?

Sam

Re: Train travel from Amsterdam.. wink, wink
 

In article <[email protected] .com>,
<[email protected]> wrote:
    >anything. Even perfectly legal Dutch magazines can get you locked up in
    >France.

Yipes! Better leave those copies of "Tulip World Weekly" behind ;-)

Re: Train travel from Amsterdam.. wink, wink
 

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 10:27:30 +0100, Ulf Kutzner
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >Deep Foiled Malls schrieb:
    >> The penalty for a small amount of weed is not too severe in France or
    >> Germany, although in France they are reportedly quite tough on it. Do
    >> it entirely at your own risk of course.
    >A criminal record and maybe he is told to leave the Schengen area and
    >not to come back if he is not a EU citizen.

Depends on the quantity, but it sure as hell beats the 'Midnight
Express' scenario.
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"chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn"
<[email protected]> schreef in bericht
news:1gtv987.1o9rhta1s0xg6yN%> I'm a little surprised by the other comments
here, because at least in
    > between the Netherlands and Belgium/Germany, I've never encountered any
    > controls on the train. Are they common?

Yes, quite common.

    > There are no customs checks
    > obviously, so wouldn't they have to have pretty serious suspicion to
    > have a search?

Nope. They can check (immigration and customs) whenever they want. Happens
every day. Also at road checkpoints.

Sjoerd

Re: Train travel from Amsterdam.. wink, wink
 

Sjoerd <[email protected]> wrote:

    > "chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn"
    > <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
    > news:1gtv987.1o9rhta1s0xg6yN%> I'm a little surprised by the other comments
    > here, because at least in
    > > between the Netherlands and Belgium/Germany, I've never encountered any
    > > controls on the train. Are they common?
    >
    > Yes, quite common.
    >
    > > There are no customs checks
    > > obviously, so wouldn't they have to have pretty serious suspicion to
    > > have a search?
    > >
    >
    > Nope. They can check (immigration and customs) whenever they want.

Why immigration?

    > Happens
    > every day. Also at road checkpoints.

Fine. Let's remember that next time a 'EU is just like the US' thread
comes up!

'Terrorism' aside, does this kind of thing ever happen between Eire and
the UK?

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usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk

Re: Train travel from Amsterdam.. wink, wink
 

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:14:19 +0000, [email protected]
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn) wrote:

    >Sjoerd <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> "chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn"
    >> <[email protected]> schreef in bericht
    >> news:1gtv987.1o9rhta1s0xg6yN%> I'm a little surprised by the other comments
    >> here, because at least in
    >> > between the Netherlands and Belgium/Germany, I've never encountered any
    >> > controls on the train. Are they common?
    >>
    >> Yes, quite common.
    >>
    >> > There are no customs checks
    >> > obviously, so wouldn't they have to have pretty serious suspicion to
    >> > have a search?
    >> >
    >>
    >> Nope. They can check (immigration and customs) whenever they want.
    >Why immigration?
    >> Happens
    >> every day. Also at road checkpoints.
    >Fine. Let's remember that next time a 'EU is just like the US' thread
    >comes up!

I can't say I have ever seen anything remotely like that. In fact, I
have never known anyone to compare the EU and the US.

    >'Terrorism' aside, does this kind of thing ever happen between Eire and
    >the UK?

Are there any differences between the states that would make
enforcement worthwhile?
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