Torn between Germany and Alsace
Mar 6th 2004, 12:56 am
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Torn between Germany and Alsace
Hi everybody,
I am torn between Germany and Alsace for vacation this year.
Last year, I went to Germany to discover the country, its food and its
beer and I had a great time. I was thinking about going to Alsace in
France to have a good time discovering the region, its food and wine,
but I recently wrote some Web pages about my German trip and I have the
incredible urge to go back.
If you were me, what would you do? Are there people out there who
visited both parts of the world or veteran travelers who can give tips
when that kind of choice is ahead?
I am torn between Germany and Alsace for vacation this year.
Last year, I went to Germany to discover the country, its food and its
beer and I had a great time. I was thinking about going to Alsace in
France to have a good time discovering the region, its food and wine,
but I recently wrote some Web pages about my German trip and I have the
incredible urge to go back.
If you were me, what would you do? Are there people out there who
visited both parts of the world or veteran travelers who can give tips
when that kind of choice is ahead?
Mar 6th 2004, 9:39 am
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Re: Torn between Germany and Alsace
Franken Stein wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
> I am torn between Germany and Alsace for vacation this year.
>
> Last year, I went to Germany to discover the country, its food and its
> beer and I had a great time. I was thinking about going to Alsace in
> France to have a good time discovering the region, its food and wine,
> but I recently wrote some Web pages about my German trip and I have the
> incredible urge to go back.
>
> If you were me, what would you do? Are there people out there who
> visited both parts of the world or veteran travelers who can give tips
> when that kind of choice is ahead?
Past is prologue. Get out of the rut. Find something new -- Amsterdam,
Paris, Rome, Istanbul, and on and on. The world is a big oyster with
plenty of pearls.
John Bermont
------------------------------------------------------
* * * Mastering Independent Budget Travel * * *
http://www.enjoy-europe.com/
------------------------------------------------------
> Hi everybody,
>
> I am torn between Germany and Alsace for vacation this year.
>
> Last year, I went to Germany to discover the country, its food and its
> beer and I had a great time. I was thinking about going to Alsace in
> France to have a good time discovering the region, its food and wine,
> but I recently wrote some Web pages about my German trip and I have the
> incredible urge to go back.
>
> If you were me, what would you do? Are there people out there who
> visited both parts of the world or veteran travelers who can give tips
> when that kind of choice is ahead?
Past is prologue. Get out of the rut. Find something new -- Amsterdam,
Paris, Rome, Istanbul, and on and on. The world is a big oyster with
plenty of pearls.
John Bermont
------------------------------------------------------
* * * Mastering Independent Budget Travel * * *
http://www.enjoy-europe.com/
------------------------------------------------------
Mar 6th 2004, 7:24 pm
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Re: Torn between Germany and Alsace
Franken Stein schrieb:
> Hi everybody,
>
> I am torn between Germany and Alsace for vacation this year.
>
> Last year, I went to Germany to discover the country, its food and its
> beer and I had a great time. I was thinking about going to Alsace in
> France to have a good time discovering the region, its food and wine,
> but I recently wrote some Web pages about my German trip and I have the
> incredible urge to go back.
>
> If you were me, what would you do? Are there people out there who
> visited both parts of the world or veteran travelers who can give tips
> when that kind of choice is ahead?
Baden is 200 Meters away from the Alsace and the Alsace is the 'cultural
interface' between Germany and France. Why don't You visit both Countries?
> Hi everybody,
>
> I am torn between Germany and Alsace for vacation this year.
>
> Last year, I went to Germany to discover the country, its food and its
> beer and I had a great time. I was thinking about going to Alsace in
> France to have a good time discovering the region, its food and wine,
> but I recently wrote some Web pages about my German trip and I have the
> incredible urge to go back.
>
> If you were me, what would you do? Are there people out there who
> visited both parts of the world or veteran travelers who can give tips
> when that kind of choice is ahead?
Baden is 200 Meters away from the Alsace and the Alsace is the 'cultural
interface' between Germany and France. Why don't You visit both Countries?
Mar 6th 2004, 10:22 pm
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Re: Torn between Germany and Alsace
On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 22:39:26 GMT, John Bermont
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Franken Stein wrote:
>> Hi everybody,
>>
>> I am torn between Germany and Alsace for vacation this year.
>>
>> Last year, I went to Germany to discover the country, its food and its
>> beer and I had a great time. I was thinking about going to Alsace in
>> France to have a good time discovering the region, its food and wine,
>> but I recently wrote some Web pages about my German trip and I have the
>> incredible urge to go back.
>>
>> If you were me, what would you do? Are there people out there who
>> visited both parts of the world or veteran travelers who can give tips
>> when that kind of choice is ahead?
>Past is prologue. Get out of the rut. Find something new -- Amsterdam,
>Paris, Rome, Istanbul, and on and on. The world is a big oyster with
>plenty of pearls.
>John Bermont
>------------------------------------------------------
> * * * Mastering Independent Budget Travel * * *
> http://www.enjoy-europe.com/
>------------------------------------------------------
Why not do both? German Black Forest region and Alsace together? One
is but a stone's throw from the other.
<[email protected]> wrote:
>Franken Stein wrote:
>> Hi everybody,
>>
>> I am torn between Germany and Alsace for vacation this year.
>>
>> Last year, I went to Germany to discover the country, its food and its
>> beer and I had a great time. I was thinking about going to Alsace in
>> France to have a good time discovering the region, its food and wine,
>> but I recently wrote some Web pages about my German trip and I have the
>> incredible urge to go back.
>>
>> If you were me, what would you do? Are there people out there who
>> visited both parts of the world or veteran travelers who can give tips
>> when that kind of choice is ahead?
>Past is prologue. Get out of the rut. Find something new -- Amsterdam,
>Paris, Rome, Istanbul, and on and on. The world is a big oyster with
>plenty of pearls.
>John Bermont
>------------------------------------------------------
> * * * Mastering Independent Budget Travel * * *
> http://www.enjoy-europe.com/
>------------------------------------------------------
Why not do both? German Black Forest region and Alsace together? One
is but a stone's throw from the other.
Mar 7th 2004, 6:05 am
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Bernhard wrote:
>> I am torn between Germany and Alsace for vacation this year.
> Baden is 200 Meters away from the Alsace and the Alsace is the 'cultural
> interface' between Germany and France. Why don't You visit both Countries?
In fact. Strasbourg and Kehl (the German bank of the Rhein) celebrate
Landesgartenschau or Festival des deux Rives
http://www.lgs-kehl.de/ this year from April 23rd to Oct 10th. Go there and
you can ping-pong between the deux sides til you drop.
The French go skiing in Black Forest and bath in the Caracalla Therme in
Baden-Baden and the Germans go shopping in the Cora of Strasbourg and
having great meals in the Winstubs of Alsace. My children learn French in
Kindergarten. It is a joke that we were fithing each other in two wars.
Start in Baden-Baden and his Thermen, then go to Strasbourg and dicover the
city on a boat trip, a lunch in the Petite France, go to the Orangerie and
visit the EU parliament and watch out the great musée.
Then go on to Colmar via Haute Koenigsburg and Kaysersberg, stay in one or a
couple of those villages on the way.
Then move to Freiburg, enjoy that city and its universitarian mood and move
on to Zastler, Feldberg and Belchen and join Staufen via Münstertal.
And you know where your journey through Alsace and Baden ends: in the third
party that constitutes the Oberrhein area: Basel, the beautiful independent
city of Erasmus von Rotterdam.
If you want to center at one site all the time and make tours from that spot
then I'd suggest a nice village in Alsace between Strasbourg and Colmar,
where you are central enough to do these sites.
Enjoy,
Jost
--
He who opens the windows invites the bugs in
>> I am torn between Germany and Alsace for vacation this year.
> Baden is 200 Meters away from the Alsace and the Alsace is the 'cultural
> interface' between Germany and France. Why don't You visit both Countries?
In fact. Strasbourg and Kehl (the German bank of the Rhein) celebrate
Landesgartenschau or Festival des deux Rives
http://www.lgs-kehl.de/ this year from April 23rd to Oct 10th. Go there and
you can ping-pong between the deux sides til you drop.
The French go skiing in Black Forest and bath in the Caracalla Therme in
Baden-Baden and the Germans go shopping in the Cora of Strasbourg and
having great meals in the Winstubs of Alsace. My children learn French in
Kindergarten. It is a joke that we were fithing each other in two wars.
Start in Baden-Baden and his Thermen, then go to Strasbourg and dicover the
city on a boat trip, a lunch in the Petite France, go to the Orangerie and
visit the EU parliament and watch out the great musée.
Then go on to Colmar via Haute Koenigsburg and Kaysersberg, stay in one or a
couple of those villages on the way.
Then move to Freiburg, enjoy that city and its universitarian mood and move
on to Zastler, Feldberg and Belchen and join Staufen via Münstertal.
And you know where your journey through Alsace and Baden ends: in the third
party that constitutes the Oberrhein area: Basel, the beautiful independent
city of Erasmus von Rotterdam.
If you want to center at one site all the time and make tours from that spot
then I'd suggest a nice village in Alsace between Strasbourg and Colmar,
where you are central enough to do these sites.
Enjoy,
Jost
--
He who opens the windows invites the bugs in
Mar 7th 2004, 8:56 am
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Re: Torn between Germany and Alsace
In article <[email protected]>, Bernhard
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Franken Stein schrieb:
> > Hi everybody,
> >
> > I am torn between Germany and Alsace for vacation this year.
> >
> > Last year, I went to Germany to discover the country, its food and its
> > beer and I had a great time. I was thinking about going to Alsace in
> > France to have a good time discovering the region, its food and wine,
> > but I recently wrote some Web pages about my German trip and I have the
> > incredible urge to go back.
> >
> > If you were me, what would you do? Are there people out there who
> > visited both parts of the world or veteran travelers who can give tips
> > when that kind of choice is ahead?
>
> Baden is 200 Meters away from the Alsace and the Alsace is the 'cultural
> interface' between Germany and France. Why don't You visit both Countries?
Is that how wide the Rhein is there?
I've been to Germany time and again and keep finding new places to
explore. Maybe someday I'll cross the border 8 -)
--
Mary Loomer Oliver(aka erilar)
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<[email protected]> wrote:
> Franken Stein schrieb:
> > Hi everybody,
> >
> > I am torn between Germany and Alsace for vacation this year.
> >
> > Last year, I went to Germany to discover the country, its food and its
> > beer and I had a great time. I was thinking about going to Alsace in
> > France to have a good time discovering the region, its food and wine,
> > but I recently wrote some Web pages about my German trip and I have the
> > incredible urge to go back.
> >
> > If you were me, what would you do? Are there people out there who
> > visited both parts of the world or veteran travelers who can give tips
> > when that kind of choice is ahead?
>
> Baden is 200 Meters away from the Alsace and the Alsace is the 'cultural
> interface' between Germany and France. Why don't You visit both Countries?
Is that how wide the Rhein is there?
I've been to Germany time and again and keep finding new places to
explore. Maybe someday I'll cross the border 8 -)
--
Mary Loomer Oliver(aka erilar)
-------------------------------------------------------------------
There is no such thing as too many books. Bookshelves, on the other hand . . .
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Erilar's Cave Annex:
http://www.airstreamcomm.net/~erilarlo
Mar 7th 2004, 9:41 am
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Re: Torn between Germany and Alsace
Last Oct went around the alsace for 4 days.
Provided you don't do alot of shopping you can do Nancy in 1/2 day,
then a day each for Strausburg and Colmar. Then tack on another day
of just driving around and seeing the various small sites and castles,
some major tourism ones are well repaired and have info in english.
Just by distance you can hit some other sites such as Verdun and
Hackenburg if you are interested in war sites or Rhiems if you want to
see Champaign.
You will need a car, since trains or buses do not really go outside of
the major sites.
Provided you don't do alot of shopping you can do Nancy in 1/2 day,
then a day each for Strausburg and Colmar. Then tack on another day
of just driving around and seeing the various small sites and castles,
some major tourism ones are well repaired and have info in english.
Just by distance you can hit some other sites such as Verdun and
Hackenburg if you are interested in war sites or Rhiems if you want to
see Champaign.
You will need a car, since trains or buses do not really go outside of
the major sites.
Mar 7th 2004, 10:17 am
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Re: Torn between Germany and Alsace
erilar schrieb:
> In article <[email protected]>, Bernhard
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Franken Stein schrieb:
>>>Hi everybody,
>>>I am torn between Germany and Alsace for vacation this year.
>>>Last year, I went to Germany to discover the country, its food and its
>>>beer and I had a great time. I was thinking about going to Alsace in
>>>France to have a good time discovering the region, its food and wine,
>>>but I recently wrote some Web pages about my German trip and I have the
>>>incredible urge to go back.
>>>If you were me, what would you do? Are there people out there who
>>>visited both parts of the world or veteran travelers who can give tips
>>>when that kind of choice is ahead?
>>Baden is 200 Meters away from the Alsace and the Alsace is the 'cultural
>>interface' between Germany and France. Why don't You visit both Countries?
>
>
> Is that how wide the Rhein is there?
correct
> I've been to Germany time and again and keep finding new places to
> explore. Maybe someday I'll cross the border 8 -)
>
> In article <[email protected]>, Bernhard
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>Franken Stein schrieb:
>>>Hi everybody,
>>>I am torn between Germany and Alsace for vacation this year.
>>>Last year, I went to Germany to discover the country, its food and its
>>>beer and I had a great time. I was thinking about going to Alsace in
>>>France to have a good time discovering the region, its food and wine,
>>>but I recently wrote some Web pages about my German trip and I have the
>>>incredible urge to go back.
>>>If you were me, what would you do? Are there people out there who
>>>visited both parts of the world or veteran travelers who can give tips
>>>when that kind of choice is ahead?
>>Baden is 200 Meters away from the Alsace and the Alsace is the 'cultural
>>interface' between Germany and France. Why don't You visit both Countries?
>
>
> Is that how wide the Rhein is there?
correct
> I've been to Germany time and again and keep finding new places to
> explore. Maybe someday I'll cross the border 8 -)
>
Mar 7th 2004, 10:31 am
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On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 00:17:58 +0100, Bernhard <[email protected]> wrote:
>erilar schrieb:
>> In article <[email protected]>, Bernhard
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Franken Stein schrieb:
>>>>Hi everybody,
>>>>I am torn between Germany and Alsace for vacation this year.
>>>>Last year, I went to Germany to discover the country, its food and its
>>>>beer and I had a great time. I was thinking about going to Alsace in
>>>>France to have a good time discovering the region, its food and wine,
>>>>but I recently wrote some Web pages about my German trip and I have the
>>>>incredible urge to go back.
>>>>If you were me, what would you do? Are there people out there who
>>>>visited both parts of the world or veteran travelers who can give tips
>>>>when that kind of choice is ahead?
>>>Baden is 200 Meters away from the Alsace and the Alsace is the 'cultural
>>>interface' between Germany and France. Why don't You visit both Countries?
>>
>>
>> Is that how wide the Rhein is there?
>correct
>> I've been to Germany time and again and keep finding new places to
>> explore. Maybe someday I'll cross the border 8 -)
It's well worth it - when in Breisach, you can pretty much walk to
Neuf-Brisach over the river. The swans sleep on the German side, but
spend the day on the French side ('cos the food's better).(??)
Neuf-Brisach has a fortress built by Vauban, Louis XIV's military
architect, Breisach has a wonderful minster perched on a rock
overlooking the river.
The tourist boards co-operate in promoting the region, and it's fun to
see what the vintners do with the same grapes - Alsace vs Badische
Riesling.
Both sides create delicious fruit brandies.
It's a fascinating area.
>>
>erilar schrieb:
>> In article <[email protected]>, Bernhard
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Franken Stein schrieb:
>>>>Hi everybody,
>>>>I am torn between Germany and Alsace for vacation this year.
>>>>Last year, I went to Germany to discover the country, its food and its
>>>>beer and I had a great time. I was thinking about going to Alsace in
>>>>France to have a good time discovering the region, its food and wine,
>>>>but I recently wrote some Web pages about my German trip and I have the
>>>>incredible urge to go back.
>>>>If you were me, what would you do? Are there people out there who
>>>>visited both parts of the world or veteran travelers who can give tips
>>>>when that kind of choice is ahead?
>>>Baden is 200 Meters away from the Alsace and the Alsace is the 'cultural
>>>interface' between Germany and France. Why don't You visit both Countries?
>>
>>
>> Is that how wide the Rhein is there?
>correct
>> I've been to Germany time and again and keep finding new places to
>> explore. Maybe someday I'll cross the border 8 -)
It's well worth it - when in Breisach, you can pretty much walk to
Neuf-Brisach over the river. The swans sleep on the German side, but
spend the day on the French side ('cos the food's better).(??)
Neuf-Brisach has a fortress built by Vauban, Louis XIV's military
architect, Breisach has a wonderful minster perched on a rock
overlooking the river.
The tourist boards co-operate in promoting the region, and it's fun to
see what the vintners do with the same grapes - Alsace vs Badische
Riesling.
Both sides create delicious fruit brandies.
It's a fascinating area.
>>
Mar 12th 2004, 9:37 am
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Re: Torn between Germany and Alsace
In article <[email protected]>,
erilar <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Bernhard
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Franken Stein schrieb:
> > > Hi everybody,
> > >
> > > I am torn between Germany and Alsace for vacation this year.
> > >
> > > Last year, I went to Germany to discover the country, its food and its
> > > beer and I had a great time. I was thinking about going to Alsace in
> > > France to have a good time discovering the region, its food and wine,
> > > but I recently wrote some Web pages about my German trip and I have the
> > > incredible urge to go back.
> > >
> > > If you were me, what would you do? Are there people out there who
> > > visited both parts of the world or veteran travelers who can give tips
> > > when that kind of choice is ahead?
> >
> > Baden is 200 Meters away from the Alsace and the Alsace is the 'cultural
> > interface' between Germany and France. Why don't You visit both Countries?
>
> Is that how wide the Rhein is there?
>
> I've been to Germany time and again and keep finding new places to
> explore. Maybe someday I'll cross the border 8 -)
Very doable. 2 years ago, my GF stayed in Eguisheim (haut alsace) one
night. Went over to Freiburg to see the cathedral, buy gummi bears, eat
a wurst, go shopping at the local Walmart, came back across to visit
Falkestein (sp?) castle via a small Maginot line fortress before heading
to settle for the evening in Husnpach (bas alsace). Would be wonderful
to cycle around there though....
erilar <[email protected]> wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>, Bernhard
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > Franken Stein schrieb:
> > > Hi everybody,
> > >
> > > I am torn between Germany and Alsace for vacation this year.
> > >
> > > Last year, I went to Germany to discover the country, its food and its
> > > beer and I had a great time. I was thinking about going to Alsace in
> > > France to have a good time discovering the region, its food and wine,
> > > but I recently wrote some Web pages about my German trip and I have the
> > > incredible urge to go back.
> > >
> > > If you were me, what would you do? Are there people out there who
> > > visited both parts of the world or veteran travelers who can give tips
> > > when that kind of choice is ahead?
> >
> > Baden is 200 Meters away from the Alsace and the Alsace is the 'cultural
> > interface' between Germany and France. Why don't You visit both Countries?
>
> Is that how wide the Rhein is there?
>
> I've been to Germany time and again and keep finding new places to
> explore. Maybe someday I'll cross the border 8 -)
Very doable. 2 years ago, my GF stayed in Eguisheim (haut alsace) one
night. Went over to Freiburg to see the cathedral, buy gummi bears, eat
a wurst, go shopping at the local Walmart, came back across to visit
Falkestein (sp?) castle via a small Maginot line fortress before heading
to settle for the evening in Husnpach (bas alsace). Would be wonderful
to cycle around there though....
Mar 12th 2004, 10:13 am
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Re: Torn between Germany and Alsace
In article <[email protected]> ,
[email protected] (William Dieterich) wrote:
> Last Oct went around the alsace for 4 days.
>
> Provided you don't do alot of shopping you can do Nancy in 1/2 day,
> then a day each for Strausburg and Colmar. Then tack on another day
> of just driving around and seeing the various small sites and castles,
> some major tourism ones are well repaired and have info in english.
>
> Just by distance you can hit some other sites such as Verdun and
> Hackenburg if you are interested in war sites or Rhiems if you want to
> see Champaign.
ong ways to Illinois from the Alsace
[email protected] (William Dieterich) wrote:
> Last Oct went around the alsace for 4 days.
>
> Provided you don't do alot of shopping you can do Nancy in 1/2 day,
> then a day each for Strausburg and Colmar. Then tack on another day
> of just driving around and seeing the various small sites and castles,
> some major tourism ones are well repaired and have info in english.
>
> Just by distance you can hit some other sites such as Verdun and
> Hackenburg if you are interested in war sites or Rhiems if you want to
> see Champaign.
ong ways to Illinois from the Alsace
