Karen+Ang

I'm planning a trip to these two places. However, aside from Vienna,
Muerren & the Swiss Alps, I've not much idea where else I would like
to go.

So maybe a short list would be great for me to start with. Which are
the top 10 places to go in each country?

karen
http://karen.webvis.net

Brian Wasson

Austria, typical tourist "hot spots":

1. Vienna/Wien
2. Salzburg
3. Melk and its abbey
4. The Wachau wine region along the Danube from Melk to Krems
5. The Salzkammergut lakes region outside Salzburg
6. Mauthausen concentration camp
7. Innsbruck and Alps area

Although others may disagree, Rick Steves' Austria book provides a
good overview of the above usual sights, and some out of the way ones,
too.

To the above list, I'd add:

1. Hall in Tirol, outside of Innsbruck. A more interesting town, IMO.
2. Krimml, at the foot of one of the highest waterfalls in Europe (the
source of the Salzach river), and the small valley between Krimml and
Zell am See.
3. The Grossglocker high alpine road (closed much of the year).
4. The Wienerwald (Vienna woods) south of Vienna; small heurigen towns
like Traiskirchen, Baden, etc.
5. The Leutasch valley, south of Garmisch-Partenkirchen and west of
Innsbruck. This, IMO, is a beautiful area almost unknown to
non-European travelers.
6. The Chiemsee region. While this is in Germany, it's close enough to
Austria (and probably on your route to Switzerland if driving) to make
the list.


karen+ang <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
    > I'm planning a trip to these two places. However, aside from Vienna,
    > Muerren & the Swiss Alps, I've not much idea where else I would like
    > to go.
    >
    > So maybe a short list would be great for me to start with. Which are
    > the top 10 places to go in each country?
    >
    > karen
    > http://karen.webvis.net

Casey

    > I'm planning a trip to these two places. However, aside from
    > Vienna, Muerren & the Swiss Alps, I've not much idea where else
    > I would like to go.

As long as you are in Vienna, take a day-trip to Bratislava in Slovakia.
There is a hydrofoil that takes 1.5 hours one-way.


Casey

Dave . Us

Do you perhaps have a website link to information on the Hydrofoil?
Also, any suggestions for a border Hungary city that might not be too
far out of Bratislava?

Thanks,
Dave


"Casey" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >> I'm planning a trip to these two places. However, aside from
    >> Vienna, Muerren & the Swiss Alps, I've not much idea where else
    >> I would like to go.
    >As long as you are in Vienna, take a day-trip to Bratislava in Slovakia.
    >There is a hydrofoil that takes 1.5 hours one-way.
    >Casey

Casey

    > Do you perhaps have a website link to information on the Hydrofoil?

http://www.ddsg-blue-danube.at/index_en.asp

    > Also, any suggestions for a border Hungary city that might not be
    > too far out of Bratislava?

Sopron is not far out of Vienna. I found a website at
http://www.sopron.hu/travel/indexe.html
I hope to visit Sopron in my next travels.


Casey

Deep Freud Moors

On Wed, 26 Nov 2003 00:43:44 GMT, "Casey" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >> Do you perhaps have a website link to information on the Hydrofoil?
    >http://www.ddsg-blue-danube.at/index_en.asp
    >> Also, any suggestions for a border Hungary city that might not be
    >> too far out of Bratislava?
    >Sopron is not far out of Vienna. I found a website at
    >http://www.sopron.hu/travel/indexe.html
    >I hope to visit Sopron in my next travels.

I spent 3 days in and around Sopron, and wasn't really all that
impressed. It is more expensive than I expected, and there is not a
huge amount to see considering the other attractions in the region.
Some good vineyards that are pleasant to cycle to, some ok hill
walking, and a lake or two, but the town itself is not really special.
---
DFM

David Gee

"Deep Freud Moors" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACUALLYiREALLY!l.nu > wrote in
message news:[email protected]...

    > >Sopron is not far out of Vienna. I found a website at
    > >http://www.sopron.hu/travel/indexe.html
    > >I hope to visit Sopron in my next travels.
    > I spent 3 days in and around Sopron, and wasn't really all that
    > impressed. It is more expensive than I expected, and there is not a
    > huge amount to see considering the other attractions in the region.
    > Some good vineyards that are pleasant to cycle to, some ok hill
    > walking, and a lake or two, but the town itself is not really special.
    > ---
    > DFM

It may surprise you to know that many Canadians have strong ties with
Sopron.

When the Hungarian Revolution was crushed in November 1956, the entire
200-year-old Sopron School of Forestry (about 250 students, professors,
and families) fled en masse to Austria. They desperately wanted to stay
together, and to complete their education in any way possible.

Canada invited the entire School, intact, and the University of British
Columbia "adopted" the Sopron group. They conducted classes in the
Hungarian language for 5 years, with the last class graduating in 1961.
Over the years, there were a total of 141 graduates of "Sopron in
Canada", and they quickly found work as professional foresters in
British Columbia and elsewhere in Canada.

Today they and their children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren
are spread out all across Canada and the United States, and they have
set down new roots, and prospered. They recently built and dedicated a
traditional Hungarian-style hand-carved wooden gateway at the entrance
to the UBC Faculty of Forestry, with the word "Welcome" inscribed in
many languages.

And when the adjacent University Hill School celebrated its 75th
Anniversary on September 20 of 2003, several of them made the journey
back to what was their "second childhood home" -- Vancouver.

A good deal all around!

Dave . Us

Thanks for the information.

I'm actually looking for a place in Hungary just across the border to
kind of "dip my toe in the water" and be able to say I was in Hungary
for a couple of hours. A nice old-town, small is fine, with a nice
place for lunch would be ideal.

Dave


"David Gee" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Deep Freud Moors" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACUALLYiREALLY!l.nu > wrote in
    >message news:[email protected]...
    >> >Sopron is not far out of Vienna. I found a website at
    >> >http://www.sopron.hu/travel/indexe.html
    >> >I hope to visit Sopron in my next travels.
    >> I spent 3 days in and around Sopron, and wasn't really all that
    >> impressed. It is more expensive than I expected, and there is not a
    >> huge amount to see considering the other attractions in the region.
    >> Some good vineyards that are pleasant to cycle to, some ok hill
    >> walking, and a lake or two, but the town itself is not really special.
    >> ---
    >> DFM
    >It may surprise you to know that many Canadians have strong ties with
    >Sopron.
    >When the Hungarian Revolution was crushed in November 1956, the entire
    >200-year-old Sopron School of Forestry (about 250 students, professors,
    >and families) fled en masse to Austria. They desperately wanted to stay
    >together, and to complete their education in any way possible.
    >Canada invited the entire School, intact, and the University of British
    >Columbia "adopted" the Sopron group. They conducted classes in the
    >Hungarian language for 5 years, with the last class graduating in 1961.
    >Over the years, there were a total of 141 graduates of "Sopron in
    >Canada", and they quickly found work as professional foresters in
    >British Columbia and elsewhere in Canada.
    >Today they and their children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren
    >are spread out all across Canada and the United States, and they have
    >set down new roots, and prospered. They recently built and dedicated a
    >traditional Hungarian-style hand-carved wooden gateway at the entrance
    >to the UBC Faculty of Forestry, with the word "Welcome" inscribed in
    >many languages.
    >And when the adjacent University Hill School celebrated its 75th
    >Anniversary on September 20 of 2003, several of them made the journey
    >back to what was their "second childhood home" -- Vancouver.
    >A good deal all around!

St

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:44:29 +0800, karen+ang
<[email protected]> wrote:

    >I'm planning a trip to these two places. However, aside from Vienna,
    >Muerren & the Swiss Alps, I've not much idea where else I would like
    >to go.
    >So maybe a short list would be great for me to start with. Which are
    >the top 10 places to go in each country?

Austria:

1. Innsbruck


Switzerland

1. Interlaken

Thomas Peel

Casey schrieb:
    >
    > > I'm planning a trip to these two places. However, aside from
    > > Vienna, Muerren & the Swiss Alps, I've not much idea where else
    > > I would like to go.
    >
    > As long as you are in Vienna, take a day-trip to Bratislava in Slovakia.
    > There is a hydrofoil that takes 1.5 hours one-way.
    >
    > Casey

Just remember the hydrofoil doesn't run in winter (I was in Vienna last
week, and found this out to my tristesse)
However, there are several busses a day, as well as the train
connection, both substantially cheaper than the hydrofoil. The bus
starts at the Sudbahnhof and goes past the airport. You must get a seat
reservation when you buy the ticket (about 22 euros IIRC). The downside
compared with the hydrofoil, apart from the lack of glamour, is that
both the bus station and the rail terminus are some way out of
Bratislava.
BTW I noticed the scheduled times did not quite match the list I found
in the internet, best to check directly.

Having said all this, I didn't go to Bratislava, but stayed in Vienna
instead. One reason was that I didn't like the look of the characters
hanging round at the bus station in Vienna- this is definitely not the
nicest part of the city to be on your own at night.

T.

Frank Hucklenbroich

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:44:29 +0800, karen+ang wrote:

    > I'm planning a trip to these two places. However, aside from Vienna,
    > Muerren & the Swiss Alps, I've not much idea where else I would like
    > to go.
    >
    > So maybe a short list would be great for me to start with. Which are
    > the top 10 places to go in each country?

Switzerland:

- Montreaux
- Zurich
- Interlaken
- Grindelwald (Jungfraujoch/Schilthorn)
- Geneva
- St. Moritz (if you have time & money, use the famous
"Glacier-Express-Train")
- Lugano

Regards,

Frank

Alan Pollock

Frank Hucklenbroich <[email protected]> wrote:
    > On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:44:29 +0800, karen+ang wrote:

    > > So maybe a short list would be great for me to start with. Which are
    > > the top 10 places to go in each country?

    > Switzerland:

    > - Montreaux
    > - Zurich
    > - Interlaken
    > - Grindelwald (Jungfraujoch/Schilthorn)
    > - Geneva
    > - St. Moritz (if you have time & money, use the famous
    > "Glacier-Express-Train")
    > - Lugano



Why do you put Montreux first? (note spelling) Or is your list in no
particular order? Nex

Emilia

Alan Pollock <[email protected]> wrote in news:bqqc0s$kct$3
@reader2.panix.com:

    > Frank Hucklenbroich <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:44:29 +0800, karen+ang wrote:
    >
    >> > So maybe a short list would be great for me to start with. Which are
    >> > the top 10 places to go in each country?
    >
    >> Switzerland:
    >
    >> - Montreaux
    >> - Zurich
    >> - Interlaken
    >> - Grindelwald (Jungfraujoch/Schilthorn)
    >> - Geneva
    >> - St. Moritz (if you have time & money, use the famous
    >> "Glacier-Express-Train")
    >> - Lugano

    > Why do you put Montreux first? (note spelling) Or is your list in no
    > particular order? Nex

And why not add
-Lausanne
-Berne
-Gruyere
-Gstaad and
-Fribourg

Jeremy

On 5/12/03 15:24, in article [email protected],
"Frank Hucklenbroich" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:44:29 +0800, karen+ang wrote:
    >
    >> I'm planning a trip to these two places. However, aside from Vienna,
    >> Muerren & the Swiss Alps, I've not much idea where else I would like
    >> to go.
    >>
    >> So maybe a short list would be great for me to start with. Which are
    >> the top 10 places to go in each country?
    >
    > Switzerland:
    >
    > - Montreaux
    > - Zurich
    > - Interlaken
    > - Grindelwald (Jungfraujoch/Schilthorn)
    > - Geneva
    > - St. Moritz (if you have time & money, use the famous
    > "Glacier-Express-Train")
    > - Lugano
    >
    > Regards,
    >
    > Frank

Depends what sort of thing you enjoy - rock climbing? Mountain-biking?
Looking at art galleries?

J.

St

On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 23:25:41 +0100, Thomas Peel <[email protected]>
wrote:

    >Casey schrieb:
    >>
    >> > I'm planning a trip to these two places. However, aside from
    >> > Vienna, Muerren & the Swiss Alps, I've not much idea where else
    >> > I would like to go.
    >>
    >> As long as you are in Vienna, take a day-trip to Bratislava in Slovakia.
    >> There is a hydrofoil that takes 1.5 hours one-way.
    >>
    >> Casey
    >Just remember the hydrofoil doesn't run in winter (I was in Vienna last
    >week, and found this out to my tristesse)
    >However, there are several busses a day, as well as the train
    >connection, both substantially cheaper than the hydrofoil. The bus
    >starts at the Sudbahnhof and goes past the airport. You must get a seat
    >reservation when you buy the ticket (about 22 euros IIRC). The downside
    >compared with the hydrofoil, apart from the lack of glamour, is that
    >both the bus station and the rail terminus are some way out of
    >Bratislava.
    > BTW I noticed the scheduled times did not quite match the list I found
    >in the internet, best to check directly.
    >Having said all this, I didn't go to Bratislava, but stayed in Vienna
    >instead. One reason was that I didn't like the look of the characters
    >hanging round at the bus station in Vienna- this is definitely not the
    >nicest part of the city to be on your own at night.

You didn't like the look of people near the bus station? The main
train station in Vienna also has some 'characters' loitering around.
My question beckons: how did you get out of Vienna if you had to avoid
these places?