Suspected arsonist of Paris Jewish center is a ex-employee
Aug 30th 2004, 1:14 am
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Suspected arsonist of Paris Jewish center is a ex-employee
Just to update you on a item which generated a lot
of press comment recently both in France, in Europe
and the USA. I don't think individual American Jews have
to worry when visiting France but all this is very worrisome.
The fire, at least, was not an anti-Semitic act.
*******
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/471231.html
Police: Suspected arsonist of Paris Jewish center is a ex-employee
By DPA
Paris - A man suspected of setting a fire that destroyed a Jewish
community center in Paris was taken into police custody early Monday,
a police spokesman said.
According to a police source, the man arrested was a Jewish former
employee of the community center who was about to be made redundant.
The man, who was described as being in his fifties, apparently wanted
to avenge himself.
However, no official identification of the suspect in custody or
explanation of his motive has so far been provided.
The arson attack on the community center, committed on August 22, was
thought to have been carried out by neo-Nazis because anti-Semitic
slogans and swastikas had been scrawled on the wall of the building.
The fire provoked widespread outrage in France and prompted last
week's three-day visit to Paris by Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan
Shalom to discuss the French campaign against anti-Semitism.
Shalom had demanded that French authorities react more harshly to
anti-Semitic acts.
However, because of a number of clues, investigators had come to
suspect that the fire may have been an "internal affair", rather than
a racist act.
*****
Incendie du centre juif : un déséquilibré suspecté
Angélique Négroni et Cécilia Gabizon
[30 août 2004]
http://www.lefigaro.fr/france/20040830.FIG0407.html
L'enquête portant sur l'incendie du centre juif du XIe arrondissement
Ã
Paris, dans la nuit du samedi 21 au dimanche 22 août, rebondit. La
piste
privilégiée n'est plus actuellement celle d'un acte antisémite, mais
on
s'oriente vers une nouvelle hypothèse : l'oeuvre d'un déséquilibré de
confession israélite, actuellement recherché. Après plus d'une semaine
d'investigations, les policiers de la brigade criminelle de la
Préfecture de
Paris réunissent en effet assez d'informations pour orienter leurs
recherches vers un individu, identifié, et qui aurait également tracé
des
inscriptions racistes sur les murs. Il s'agirait d'un homme ayant des
antécédents psychiatriques, issu de la communauté juive, et qui
fréquentait
les lieux. L'individu était hier soir recherché par la police.
Comment les enquêteurs sont-ils parvenus à cette conclusion ? La porte
latérale du local par laquelle l'individu s'était introduit a été au
coeur
de l'enquête. Retrouvée ouverte par les secours, elle avait intrigué
les
enquêteurs. Retirée pour être expertisée, cette même porte avait donné
lieu
à un examen minutieux et dont les résultats ont été communiqués à la
brigade
criminelle en fin de semaine dernière. Très vite les policiers avaient
privilégié la piste locale. Peu visible de l'extérieur, le centre juif
était
juste signalé par une étoile de David située à droite de la porte
principale. En conséquence, les enquêteurs n'avaient guère prêté
attention Ã
la revendication de cet incendie sur un site islamiste. Enfin, les
nombreuses fautes d'orthographe qui accompagnaient les slogans
racistes
retrouvés sur les murs, mais aussi l'incohérence de ces mêmes propos,
avaient laissé les enquêteurs dubitatifs. Si les suspicions des
policiers
contre un déséquilibré de confession juive se vérifient, l'issue de
cette
enquête ne manquera pas de créer la surprise et la consternation.
-------------------
of press comment recently both in France, in Europe
and the USA. I don't think individual American Jews have
to worry when visiting France but all this is very worrisome.
The fire, at least, was not an anti-Semitic act.
*******
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/471231.html
Police: Suspected arsonist of Paris Jewish center is a ex-employee
By DPA
Paris - A man suspected of setting a fire that destroyed a Jewish
community center in Paris was taken into police custody early Monday,
a police spokesman said.
According to a police source, the man arrested was a Jewish former
employee of the community center who was about to be made redundant.
The man, who was described as being in his fifties, apparently wanted
to avenge himself.
However, no official identification of the suspect in custody or
explanation of his motive has so far been provided.
The arson attack on the community center, committed on August 22, was
thought to have been carried out by neo-Nazis because anti-Semitic
slogans and swastikas had been scrawled on the wall of the building.
The fire provoked widespread outrage in France and prompted last
week's three-day visit to Paris by Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan
Shalom to discuss the French campaign against anti-Semitism.
Shalom had demanded that French authorities react more harshly to
anti-Semitic acts.
However, because of a number of clues, investigators had come to
suspect that the fire may have been an "internal affair", rather than
a racist act.
*****
Incendie du centre juif : un déséquilibré suspecté
Angélique Négroni et Cécilia Gabizon
[30 août 2004]
http://www.lefigaro.fr/france/20040830.FIG0407.html
L'enquête portant sur l'incendie du centre juif du XIe arrondissement
Ã
Paris, dans la nuit du samedi 21 au dimanche 22 août, rebondit. La
piste
privilégiée n'est plus actuellement celle d'un acte antisémite, mais
on
s'oriente vers une nouvelle hypothèse : l'oeuvre d'un déséquilibré de
confession israélite, actuellement recherché. Après plus d'une semaine
d'investigations, les policiers de la brigade criminelle de la
Préfecture de
Paris réunissent en effet assez d'informations pour orienter leurs
recherches vers un individu, identifié, et qui aurait également tracé
des
inscriptions racistes sur les murs. Il s'agirait d'un homme ayant des
antécédents psychiatriques, issu de la communauté juive, et qui
fréquentait
les lieux. L'individu était hier soir recherché par la police.
Comment les enquêteurs sont-ils parvenus à cette conclusion ? La porte
latérale du local par laquelle l'individu s'était introduit a été au
coeur
de l'enquête. Retrouvée ouverte par les secours, elle avait intrigué
les
enquêteurs. Retirée pour être expertisée, cette même porte avait donné
lieu
à un examen minutieux et dont les résultats ont été communiqués à la
brigade
criminelle en fin de semaine dernière. Très vite les policiers avaient
privilégié la piste locale. Peu visible de l'extérieur, le centre juif
était
juste signalé par une étoile de David située à droite de la porte
principale. En conséquence, les enquêteurs n'avaient guère prêté
attention Ã
la revendication de cet incendie sur un site islamiste. Enfin, les
nombreuses fautes d'orthographe qui accompagnaient les slogans
racistes
retrouvés sur les murs, mais aussi l'incohérence de ces mêmes propos,
avaient laissé les enquêteurs dubitatifs. Si les suspicions des
policiers
contre un déséquilibré de confession juive se vérifient, l'issue de
cette
enquête ne manquera pas de créer la surprise et la consternation.
-------------------
Aug 30th 2004, 9:00 am
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Re: Suspected arsonist of Paris Jewish center is a ex-employee
"Earl" <[email protected]> a écrit dans le message de news:
[email protected]...
> Just to update you on a item which generated a lot
> of press comment recently both in France, in Europe
> and the USA. I don't think individual American Jews have
> to worry when visiting France but all this is very worrisome.
> The fire, at least, was not an anti-Semitic act.
> *******
Indeed the three last case were proven to be fantasy.
I confess that even the CRIF (Conseil Représentatif des Institutions Juives
de France) accused the hyper-mediatisation (National and International).
It is as if there was some strong interest to labell France as Anti-semitic
country. What is not.
We have in France problems of antisemit actions as in every country in the
word.
As soon as the attack happened in Paris last week, the Israely PM rush to
Paris, blamed the French and Chirac.
And now ? How do you think the Jewish French Comunity feel ?
Very sad. You are Jew, You are Muslim, You are American, You are from Asia,
you can come to France.
We are are like every country around the word, nor best, but nor worst.
> http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/471231.html
> Police: Suspected arsonist of Paris Jewish center is a ex-employee
> By DPA
> Paris - A man suspected of setting a fire that destroyed a Jewish
> community center in Paris was taken into police custody early Monday,
> a police spokesman said.
> According to a police source, the man arrested was a Jewish former
> employee of the community center who was about to be made redundant.
> The man, who was described as being in his fifties, apparently wanted
> to avenge himself.
> However, no official identification of the suspect in custody or
> explanation of his motive has so far been provided.
> The arson attack on the community center, committed on August 22, was
> thought to have been carried out by neo-Nazis because anti-Semitic
> slogans and swastikas had been scrawled on the wall of the building.
> The fire provoked widespread outrage in France and prompted last
> week's three-day visit to Paris by Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan
> Shalom to discuss the French campaign against anti-Semitism.
> Shalom had demanded that French authorities react more harshly to
> anti-Semitic acts.
> However, because of a number of clues, investigators had come to
> suspect that the fire may have been an "internal affair", rather than
> a racist act.
> *****
> Incendie du centre juif : un déséquilibré suspecté
> Angélique Négroni et Cécilia Gabizon
> [30 août 2004]
> http://www.lefigaro.fr/france/20040830.FIG0407.html
> L'enquête portant sur l'incendie du centre juif du XIe arrondissement
> Ã
> Paris, dans la nuit du samedi 21 au dimanche 22 août, rebondit. La
> piste
> privilégiée n'est plus actuellement celle d'un acte antisémite, mais
> on
> s'oriente vers une nouvelle hypothèse : l'oeuvre d'un déséquilibré de
> confession israélite, actuellement recherché. Après plus d'une semaine
> d'investigations, les policiers de la brigade criminelle de la
> Préfecture de
> Paris réunissent en effet assez d'informations pour orienter leurs
> recherches vers un individu, identifié, et qui aurait également tracé
> des
> inscriptions racistes sur les murs. Il s'agirait d'un homme ayant des
> antécédents psychiatriques, issu de la communauté juive, et qui
> fréquentait
> les lieux. L'individu était hier soir recherché par la police.
> Comment les enquêteurs sont-ils parvenus à cette conclusion ? La porte
> latérale du local par laquelle l'individu s'était introduit a été au
> coeur
> de l'enquête. Retrouvée ouverte par les secours, elle avait intrigué
> les
> enquêteurs. Retirée pour être expertisée, cette même porte avait donné
> lieu
> à un examen minutieux et dont les résultats ont été communiqués à la
> brigade
> criminelle en fin de semaine dernière. Très vite les policiers avaient
> privilégié la piste locale. Peu visible de l'extérieur, le centre juif
> était
> juste signalé par une étoile de David située à droite de la porte
> principale. En conséquence, les enquêteurs n'avaient guère prêté
> attention Ã
> la revendication de cet incendie sur un site islamiste. Enfin, les
> nombreuses fautes d'orthographe qui accompagnaient les slogans
> racistes
> retrouvés sur les murs, mais aussi l'incohérence de ces mêmes propos,
> avaient laissé les enquêteurs dubitatifs. Si les suspicions des
> policiers
> contre un déséquilibré de confession juive se vérifient, l'issue de
> cette
> enquête ne manquera pas de créer la surprise et la consternation.
> -------------------
[email protected]...
> Just to update you on a item which generated a lot
> of press comment recently both in France, in Europe
> and the USA. I don't think individual American Jews have
> to worry when visiting France but all this is very worrisome.
> The fire, at least, was not an anti-Semitic act.
> *******
Indeed the three last case were proven to be fantasy.
I confess that even the CRIF (Conseil Représentatif des Institutions Juives
de France) accused the hyper-mediatisation (National and International).
It is as if there was some strong interest to labell France as Anti-semitic
country. What is not.
We have in France problems of antisemit actions as in every country in the
word.
As soon as the attack happened in Paris last week, the Israely PM rush to
Paris, blamed the French and Chirac.
And now ? How do you think the Jewish French Comunity feel ?
Very sad. You are Jew, You are Muslim, You are American, You are from Asia,
you can come to France.
We are are like every country around the word, nor best, but nor worst.
> http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/471231.html
> Police: Suspected arsonist of Paris Jewish center is a ex-employee
> By DPA
> Paris - A man suspected of setting a fire that destroyed a Jewish
> community center in Paris was taken into police custody early Monday,
> a police spokesman said.
> According to a police source, the man arrested was a Jewish former
> employee of the community center who was about to be made redundant.
> The man, who was described as being in his fifties, apparently wanted
> to avenge himself.
> However, no official identification of the suspect in custody or
> explanation of his motive has so far been provided.
> The arson attack on the community center, committed on August 22, was
> thought to have been carried out by neo-Nazis because anti-Semitic
> slogans and swastikas had been scrawled on the wall of the building.
> The fire provoked widespread outrage in France and prompted last
> week's three-day visit to Paris by Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan
> Shalom to discuss the French campaign against anti-Semitism.
> Shalom had demanded that French authorities react more harshly to
> anti-Semitic acts.
> However, because of a number of clues, investigators had come to
> suspect that the fire may have been an "internal affair", rather than
> a racist act.
> *****
> Incendie du centre juif : un déséquilibré suspecté
> Angélique Négroni et Cécilia Gabizon
> [30 août 2004]
> http://www.lefigaro.fr/france/20040830.FIG0407.html
> L'enquête portant sur l'incendie du centre juif du XIe arrondissement
> Ã
> Paris, dans la nuit du samedi 21 au dimanche 22 août, rebondit. La
> piste
> privilégiée n'est plus actuellement celle d'un acte antisémite, mais
> on
> s'oriente vers une nouvelle hypothèse : l'oeuvre d'un déséquilibré de
> confession israélite, actuellement recherché. Après plus d'une semaine
> d'investigations, les policiers de la brigade criminelle de la
> Préfecture de
> Paris réunissent en effet assez d'informations pour orienter leurs
> recherches vers un individu, identifié, et qui aurait également tracé
> des
> inscriptions racistes sur les murs. Il s'agirait d'un homme ayant des
> antécédents psychiatriques, issu de la communauté juive, et qui
> fréquentait
> les lieux. L'individu était hier soir recherché par la police.
> Comment les enquêteurs sont-ils parvenus à cette conclusion ? La porte
> latérale du local par laquelle l'individu s'était introduit a été au
> coeur
> de l'enquête. Retrouvée ouverte par les secours, elle avait intrigué
> les
> enquêteurs. Retirée pour être expertisée, cette même porte avait donné
> lieu
> à un examen minutieux et dont les résultats ont été communiqués à la
> brigade
> criminelle en fin de semaine dernière. Très vite les policiers avaient
> privilégié la piste locale. Peu visible de l'extérieur, le centre juif
> était
> juste signalé par une étoile de David située à droite de la porte
> principale. En conséquence, les enquêteurs n'avaient guère prêté
> attention Ã
> la revendication de cet incendie sur un site islamiste. Enfin, les
> nombreuses fautes d'orthographe qui accompagnaient les slogans
> racistes
> retrouvés sur les murs, mais aussi l'incohérence de ces mêmes propos,
> avaient laissé les enquêteurs dubitatifs. Si les suspicions des
> policiers
> contre un déséquilibré de confession juive se vérifient, l'issue de
> cette
> enquête ne manquera pas de créer la surprise et la consternation.
> -------------------
Aug 30th 2004, 4:10 pm
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Re: Suspected arsonist of Paris Jewish center is a ex-employee
Amazing. Disgusting.
This is truly awful. It's bad enough when these attacks are real, but
when they are the result of disgruntled employees or misguided
individuals...well, it's just incomprehensible.
I hope this dude does some serious jail time.
This is truly awful. It's bad enough when these attacks are real, but
when they are the result of disgruntled employees or misguided
individuals...well, it's just incomprehensible.
I hope this dude does some serious jail time.
Aug 30th 2004, 9:29 pm
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Re: Suspected arsonist of Paris Jewish center is a ex-employee
"Adella" <[email protected]> kirjoitti viestissä
news:[email protected] nk.net...
> Amazing. Disgusting.
> This is truly awful. It's bad enough when these attacks are real, but
> when they are the result of disgruntled employees or misguided
> individuals...well, it's just incomprehensible.
> I hope this dude does some serious jail time.
Perhaps a Mossad agent.
news:[email protected] nk.net...
> Amazing. Disgusting.
> This is truly awful. It's bad enough when these attacks are real, but
> when they are the result of disgruntled employees or misguided
> individuals...well, it's just incomprehensible.
> I hope this dude does some serious jail time.
Perhaps a Mossad agent.
Aug 31st 2004, 5:01 am
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Re: Suspected arsonist of Paris Jewish center is a ex-employee
On 31/08/04 6:10, in article
[email protected] t, "Adella"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Amazing. Disgusting.
> This is truly awful. It's bad enough when these attacks are real, but
> when they are the result of disgruntled employees or misguided
> individuals...well, it's just incomprehensible.
>
> I hope this dude does some serious jail time.
>
>
He is a sick or marginal individual. One of the losers in life.
He has heart problems and diabetic at 52, never worked much in
his life and familywise totally alone.
The French system will "take care of him", but him in jail
for a number of years and he is likely to die there.
We live in sick times and it brings out the sickest among us.
Earl
[email protected] t, "Adella"
<[email protected]> wrote:
> Amazing. Disgusting.
> This is truly awful. It's bad enough when these attacks are real, but
> when they are the result of disgruntled employees or misguided
> individuals...well, it's just incomprehensible.
>
> I hope this dude does some serious jail time.
>
>
He is a sick or marginal individual. One of the losers in life.
He has heart problems and diabetic at 52, never worked much in
his life and familywise totally alone.
The French system will "take care of him", but him in jail
for a number of years and he is likely to die there.
We live in sick times and it brings out the sickest among us.
Earl
Aug 31st 2004, 5:55 am
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Re: Suspected arsonist of Paris Jewish center is a ex-employee
It might have been, it might not have been. I wouldn't take at face
value any announcements as to the suspicions of the French police or
investigating magistrates in advance of a trial with the evidence on
full display, especially not in such a high profile case.
PJW
On 30 Aug 2004 06:14:55 -0700, [email protected] (Earl) wrote:
>Just to update you on a item which generated a lot
>of press comment recently both in France, in Europe
>and the USA. I don't think individual American Jews have
>to worry when visiting France but all this is very worrisome.
>The fire, at least, was not an anti-Semitic act.
>suspect that the fire may have been an "internal affair", rather than
>a racist act.
value any announcements as to the suspicions of the French police or
investigating magistrates in advance of a trial with the evidence on
full display, especially not in such a high profile case.
PJW
On 30 Aug 2004 06:14:55 -0700, [email protected] (Earl) wrote:
>Just to update you on a item which generated a lot
>of press comment recently both in France, in Europe
>and the USA. I don't think individual American Jews have
>to worry when visiting France but all this is very worrisome.
>The fire, at least, was not an anti-Semitic act.
>suspect that the fire may have been an "internal affair", rather than
>a racist act.
Aug 31st 2004, 12:15 pm
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Re: Suspected arsonist of Paris Jewish center is a ex-employee
As long as we don't take at face value the suspicions of anti-Semitism
of those who have not investigated the case in advance of a trial with
the evidence on full display, especially not in such a high profile case.
Patrick Wallace wrote:
> It might have been, it might not have been. I wouldn't take at face
> value any announcements as to the suspicions of the French police or
> investigating magistrates in advance of a trial with the evidence on
> full display, especially not in such a high profile case.
>
> PJW
>
> On 30 Aug 2004 06:14:55 -0700, [email protected] (Earl) wrote:
>
>
>>Just to update you on a item which generated a lot
>>of press comment recently both in France, in Europe
>>and the USA. I don't think individual American Jews have
>>to worry when visiting France but all this is very worrisome.
>>The fire, at least, was not an anti-Semitic act.
>>suspect that the fire may have been an "internal affair", rather than
>>a racist act.
>
>
of those who have not investigated the case in advance of a trial with
the evidence on full display, especially not in such a high profile case.
Patrick Wallace wrote:
> It might have been, it might not have been. I wouldn't take at face
> value any announcements as to the suspicions of the French police or
> investigating magistrates in advance of a trial with the evidence on
> full display, especially not in such a high profile case.
>
> PJW
>
> On 30 Aug 2004 06:14:55 -0700, [email protected] (Earl) wrote:
>
>
>>Just to update you on a item which generated a lot
>>of press comment recently both in France, in Europe
>>and the USA. I don't think individual American Jews have
>>to worry when visiting France but all this is very worrisome.
>>The fire, at least, was not an anti-Semitic act.
>>suspect that the fire may have been an "internal affair", rather than
>>a racist act.
>
>
Sep 1st 2004, 12:01 pm
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Re: Suspected arsonist of Paris Jewish center is a ex-employee
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Earl wrote:
> According to a police source, the man arrested was a Jewish former
> employee of the community center who was about to be made redundant.
> The man, who was described as being in his fifties, apparently wanted
> to avenge himself.
As the French text mentions, the man was apparently mentally unbalanced.
I was interested to note that the president of the Paris consistoire
(apparently a Jewish organization) called for less hysteria on the part of
both politicians and Jews.
Yves Bellefeuille
<[email protected]>
> According to a police source, the man arrested was a Jewish former
> employee of the community center who was about to be made redundant.
> The man, who was described as being in his fifties, apparently wanted
> to avenge himself.
As the French text mentions, the man was apparently mentally unbalanced.
I was interested to note that the president of the Paris consistoire
(apparently a Jewish organization) called for less hysteria on the part of
both politicians and Jews.
Yves Bellefeuille
<[email protected]>
