Storage of photos whilst travelling?
Nov 14th 2003, 10:22 am
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Re: Storage of photos whilst travelling?
How do you then transfer the image to the portable device? Magic?
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On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:35:41 GMT, [email protected] (Tim Vanhoof)
wrote:
>Terryo <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I have withheld buying a digital camera for this very reason (and some
>> others). But now I see there are devices on the market that you can
>> use to download and store images; they are essentially portable,
>> hand-held hard drives, and I think they have up to 2 gigabyte
>> capacity. Of course, it's one more thing to pack and take with you,
>> but it seems a reasonable solution.
>Certainly much more reasonable than lugging a laptop around with you,
>which has been a common solution until now.
>Now, if you have other reasons for taking your laptop along, fine, but
>just to keep pictures on ...?
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On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 21:35:41 GMT, [email protected] (Tim Vanhoof)
wrote:
>Terryo <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I have withheld buying a digital camera for this very reason (and some
>> others). But now I see there are devices on the market that you can
>> use to download and store images; they are essentially portable,
>> hand-held hard drives, and I think they have up to 2 gigabyte
>> capacity. Of course, it's one more thing to pack and take with you,
>> but it seems a reasonable solution.
>Certainly much more reasonable than lugging a laptop around with you,
>which has been a common solution until now.
>Now, if you have other reasons for taking your laptop along, fine, but
>just to keep pictures on ...?
Retired Teacher, Terrible Mechanic, Worse Plumber!
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Nov 14th 2003, 11:14 am
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Re: Storage of photos whilst travelling?
In article <[email protected]>,
Howard N. Lute <[email protected]> wrote:
>How do you then transfer the image to the portable device? Magic?
They have a card reader built in, and a simple operating system
specialized for transferring files between the hard disk and memory cards.
Of course, you have to make sure the portable device can read whatever
kind of memory card your camera uses.
My Nixvue has a slot for Compact Flash cards, and you can get an adapter
that enables reading other types of cards. It has a small LCD screen that
displays either a menu of operations, or a list of files/folders on the
hard disk; and buttons for navigating the list and selection operations or
files.
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Dept. of Physics and Computer Science Clinton, South Carolina USA
Howard N. Lute <[email protected]> wrote:
>How do you then transfer the image to the portable device? Magic?
They have a card reader built in, and a simple operating system
specialized for transferring files between the hard disk and memory cards.
Of course, you have to make sure the portable device can read whatever
kind of memory card your camera uses.
My Nixvue has a slot for Compact Flash cards, and you can get an adapter
that enables reading other types of cards. It has a small LCD screen that
displays either a menu of operations, or a list of files/folders on the
hard disk; and buttons for navigating the list and selection operations or
files.
--
Jon Bell <[email protected]> Presbyterian College
Dept. of Physics and Computer Science Clinton, South Carolina USA
Nov 14th 2003, 11:29 am
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Re: Storage of photos whilst travelling?
On 14 Nov 2003 00:27:05 -0800, [email protected] (Jeremy) wrote:
>Film has its own problems for travel photography - how can you be sure
>that you got a shot of that once-in-a-lifetime visit? Did your
>pictures inside the church come out, or was it too dark? Is there any
>point taking pictures of that firework display? No way to know until
>you get your film processed ...
Oh, but when you get all those envelopes full of prints back it's sort
of like Christmas, all anticipation to see what you really ended up
with!
>Film has its own problems for travel photography - how can you be sure
>that you got a shot of that once-in-a-lifetime visit? Did your
>pictures inside the church come out, or was it too dark? Is there any
>point taking pictures of that firework display? No way to know until
>you get your film processed ...
Oh, but when you get all those envelopes full of prints back it's sort
of like Christmas, all anticipation to see what you really ended up
with!
Nov 14th 2003, 11:44 am
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Jeremy Henderson writes:
> The danger I'm talking about is that you didn't expose the scene correctly
> at the time - something that is easily checked with a digital, and
> impossible with film.
If you have even a modicum of familiarity with the principles of
photography and a decent camera, you'll get correct exposure.
Additionally, some consumer films, such as Kodak Max, have such a wide
latitude that you can expose almost randomly and still get usable
images.
Furthermore, for a typical traveler's budget, you can get a better film
camera than digital camera. A better camera will have more accurate and
adjustable exposure controls. Digital (or film) is no good if the
camera refuses to expose correctly and you can't do anything about it,
which is the case for most point-and-shoot cameras. Sure, digital will
let you see the mistake, but you still won't be able to get correct
exposure. A more evolved SLR will allow you to get the right exposure,
but the price of such an SLR with digital capture will be easily five to
ten times higher than that of a film SLR.
> Exactly my point - if you buy prepaid film you don't have the option of
> processing it abroad without paying extra.
Apart from Kodachrome, who ever buys prepaid film these days?
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> The danger I'm talking about is that you didn't expose the scene correctly
> at the time - something that is easily checked with a digital, and
> impossible with film.
If you have even a modicum of familiarity with the principles of
photography and a decent camera, you'll get correct exposure.
Additionally, some consumer films, such as Kodak Max, have such a wide
latitude that you can expose almost randomly and still get usable
images.
Furthermore, for a typical traveler's budget, you can get a better film
camera than digital camera. A better camera will have more accurate and
adjustable exposure controls. Digital (or film) is no good if the
camera refuses to expose correctly and you can't do anything about it,
which is the case for most point-and-shoot cameras. Sure, digital will
let you see the mistake, but you still won't be able to get correct
exposure. A more evolved SLR will allow you to get the right exposure,
but the price of such an SLR with digital capture will be easily five to
ten times higher than that of a film SLR.
> Exactly my point - if you buy prepaid film you don't have the option of
> processing it abroad without paying extra.
Apart from Kodachrome, who ever buys prepaid film these days?
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Nov 14th 2003, 5:52 pm
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Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
> Jeremy Henderson writes:
>> The danger I'm talking about is that you didn't expose the scene correctly
>> at the time - something that is easily checked with a digital, and
>> impossible with film.
> If you have even a modicum of familiarity with the principles of
> photography and a decent camera, you'll get correct exposure.
I had an SLR that developed a slightly sticky shutter midway into the first
roll of film on a long trip. When I got back and developed my film, the left
two-thirds of every photo was overexposed.
> Furthermore, for a typical traveler's budget, you can get a better film
> camera than digital camera. A better camera will have more accurate and
> adjustable exposure controls. Digital (or film) is no good if the
> camera refuses to expose correctly and you can't do anything about it,
> which is the case for most point-and-shoot cameras. Sure, digital will
> let you see the mistake, but you still won't be able to get correct
> exposure. A more evolved SLR will allow you to get the right exposure,
> but the price of such an SLR with digital capture will be easily five to
> ten times higher than that of a film SLR.
It doesn't cost that much these days to get a digital with manual exposure
controls.
miguel
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> Jeremy Henderson writes:
>> The danger I'm talking about is that you didn't expose the scene correctly
>> at the time - something that is easily checked with a digital, and
>> impossible with film.
> If you have even a modicum of familiarity with the principles of
> photography and a decent camera, you'll get correct exposure.
I had an SLR that developed a slightly sticky shutter midway into the first
roll of film on a long trip. When I got back and developed my film, the left
two-thirds of every photo was overexposed.
> Furthermore, for a typical traveler's budget, you can get a better film
> camera than digital camera. A better camera will have more accurate and
> adjustable exposure controls. Digital (or film) is no good if the
> camera refuses to expose correctly and you can't do anything about it,
> which is the case for most point-and-shoot cameras. Sure, digital will
> let you see the mistake, but you still won't be able to get correct
> exposure. A more evolved SLR will allow you to get the right exposure,
> but the price of such an SLR with digital capture will be easily five to
> ten times higher than that of a film SLR.
It doesn't cost that much these days to get a digital with manual exposure
controls.
miguel
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Nov 14th 2003, 7:42 pm
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On 15/11/03 1:44 am, in article [email protected],
"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Jeremy Henderson writes:
>
>> The danger I'm talking about is that you didn't expose the scene correctly
>> at the time - something that is easily checked with a digital, and
>> impossible with film.
>
> If you have even a modicum of familiarity with the principles of
> photography and a decent camera, you'll get correct exposure.
> Additionally, some consumer films, such as Kodak Max, have such a wide
> latitude that you can expose almost randomly and still get usable
> images.
If you're in a dubious light situation such that you need to bracket your
film exposures, you will waste a lot of time and a lot of film relative to
digital. Also, if you're relatively inexperienced, the instant feedback you
get from digital will allow you to learn what works and what doesn't - what
to look out for in the next church you visit, what light situations look
spectacular and which ones come out disappointing.
Not to mention the eternal worry for the inexperienced photographer of not
being sure they loaded the film properly (or at all :-).
> Furthermore, for a typical traveler's budget, you can get a better film
> camera than digital camera. A better camera will have more accurate and
> adjustable exposure controls. Digital (or film) is no good if the
> camera refuses to expose correctly and you can't do anything about it,
> which is the case for most point-and-shoot cameras. Sure, digital will
> let you see the mistake, but you still won't be able to get correct
> exposure. A more evolved SLR will allow you to get the right exposure,
> but the price of such an SLR with digital capture will be easily five to
> ten times higher than that of a film SLR.
You don't need a digital SLR to have exposure control. A much cheaper model
will provide all the control you need.
>> Exactly my point - if you buy prepaid film you don't have the option of
>> processing it abroad without paying extra.
>
> Apart from Kodachrome, who ever buys prepaid film these days?
Err .. Fujichrome users?
J>
"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Jeremy Henderson writes:
>
>> The danger I'm talking about is that you didn't expose the scene correctly
>> at the time - something that is easily checked with a digital, and
>> impossible with film.
>
> If you have even a modicum of familiarity with the principles of
> photography and a decent camera, you'll get correct exposure.
> Additionally, some consumer films, such as Kodak Max, have such a wide
> latitude that you can expose almost randomly and still get usable
> images.
If you're in a dubious light situation such that you need to bracket your
film exposures, you will waste a lot of time and a lot of film relative to
digital. Also, if you're relatively inexperienced, the instant feedback you
get from digital will allow you to learn what works and what doesn't - what
to look out for in the next church you visit, what light situations look
spectacular and which ones come out disappointing.
Not to mention the eternal worry for the inexperienced photographer of not
being sure they loaded the film properly (or at all :-).
> Furthermore, for a typical traveler's budget, you can get a better film
> camera than digital camera. A better camera will have more accurate and
> adjustable exposure controls. Digital (or film) is no good if the
> camera refuses to expose correctly and you can't do anything about it,
> which is the case for most point-and-shoot cameras. Sure, digital will
> let you see the mistake, but you still won't be able to get correct
> exposure. A more evolved SLR will allow you to get the right exposure,
> but the price of such an SLR with digital capture will be easily five to
> ten times higher than that of a film SLR.
You don't need a digital SLR to have exposure control. A much cheaper model
will provide all the control you need.
>> Exactly my point - if you buy prepaid film you don't have the option of
>> processing it abroad without paying extra.
>
> Apart from Kodachrome, who ever buys prepaid film these days?
Err .. Fujichrome users?
J>
Nov 14th 2003, 9:16 pm
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Jeremy Henderson writes:
> If you're in a dubious light situation such that you need to bracket your
> film exposures, you will waste a lot of time and a lot of film relative to
> digital.
You can waste a lot of time with digital in such situations, too, since
what you see on the LCD is not necessarily what you'll get in the final
image.
> You don't need a digital SLR to have exposure control. A much cheaper model
> will provide all the control you need.
If you wade through ten menus to obtain it, yes. That is difficult to
do quickly.
> Err .. Fujichrome users?
I've never seen prepaid Fujichrome. Where have you encountered it?
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> If you're in a dubious light situation such that you need to bracket your
> film exposures, you will waste a lot of time and a lot of film relative to
> digital.
You can waste a lot of time with digital in such situations, too, since
what you see on the LCD is not necessarily what you'll get in the final
image.
> You don't need a digital SLR to have exposure control. A much cheaper model
> will provide all the control you need.
If you wade through ten menus to obtain it, yes. That is difficult to
do quickly.
> Err .. Fujichrome users?
I've never seen prepaid Fujichrome. Where have you encountered it?
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Nov 14th 2003, 9:17 pm
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Carole Allen writes:
> Oh, but when you get all those envelopes full of prints back it's sort
> of like Christmas, all anticipation to see what you really ended up
> with!
You can have film developed abroad. It's easier to find photo labs than
it is to find Internet cafés, in most locations.
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> Oh, but when you get all those envelopes full of prints back it's sort
> of like Christmas, all anticipation to see what you really ended up
> with!
You can have film developed abroad. It's easier to find photo labs than
it is to find Internet cafés, in most locations.
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Nov 15th 2003, 1:02 am
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"Jeremy Henderson" wrote
| Not to mention the eternal worry for the inexperienced photographer
| of not being sure they loaded the film properly (or at all :-).
I admit to being a complete failure with photographic equipment; I have
never managed to get a decent photo out of a film camera, even with the nice
lady in the shop putting the film in and taking it out for me. Digital is
like a computer and I can work them!
The increased depth of focus with a digital is an advantage, but I find they
don't work well on moving targets.
Owain
| Not to mention the eternal worry for the inexperienced photographer
| of not being sure they loaded the film properly (or at all :-).
I admit to being a complete failure with photographic equipment; I have
never managed to get a decent photo out of a film camera, even with the nice
lady in the shop putting the film in and taking it out for me. Digital is
like a computer and I can work them!
The increased depth of focus with a digital is an advantage, but I find they
don't work well on moving targets.
Owain
Nov 15th 2003, 3:22 am
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:29:50 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, [email protected] (Carole
Allen) arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
...
... Oh, but when you get all those envelopes full of prints back it's sort
... of like Christmas, all anticipation to see what you really ended up
... with!
And when you get a handful of pictures that are exactly like you wanted them to be - or
even better... Nothing beats that "Wow!-I-did-it?!" feeling.
Allen) arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
...
... Oh, but when you get all those envelopes full of prints back it's sort
... of like Christmas, all anticipation to see what you really ended up
... with!
And when you get a handful of pictures that are exactly like you wanted them to be - or
even better... Nothing beats that "Wow!-I-did-it?!" feeling.
Nov 15th 2003, 5:35 am
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Mxsmanic <[email protected]> wrote:
> Jeremy Henderson writes:
>> You don't need a digital SLR to have exposure control. A much cheaper model
>> will provide all the control you need.
> If you wade through ten menus to obtain it, yes. That is difficult to
> do quickly.
On my Canon S-30 there is a button shaped like a plus sign. Move it up or
down to change the aperture, left or right to change the exposure. It's as
easy as you could ask for. No menus involved.
miguel
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> Jeremy Henderson writes:
>> You don't need a digital SLR to have exposure control. A much cheaper model
>> will provide all the control you need.
> If you wade through ten menus to obtain it, yes. That is difficult to
> do quickly.
On my Canon S-30 there is a button shaped like a plus sign. Move it up or
down to change the aperture, left or right to change the exposure. It's as
easy as you could ask for. No menus involved.
miguel
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See the world from your web browser: http://travel.u.nu/
Nov 15th 2003, 9:49 am
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On 15/11/03 11:16 am, in article [email protected],
"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Jeremy Henderson writes:
>> You don't need a digital SLR to have exposure control. A much cheaper model
>> will provide all the control you need.
>
> If you wade through ten menus to obtain it, yes. That is difficult to
> do quickly.
I can't speak in general, but exposure control on my digital is precisely
the same as on an SLR.
>> Err .. Fujichrome users?
>
> I've never seen prepaid Fujichrome. Where have you encountered it?
Velvia or Provia (can't remember which) in the UK
J.
"Mxsmanic" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Jeremy Henderson writes:
>> You don't need a digital SLR to have exposure control. A much cheaper model
>> will provide all the control you need.
>
> If you wade through ten menus to obtain it, yes. That is difficult to
> do quickly.
I can't speak in general, but exposure control on my digital is precisely
the same as on an SLR.
>> Err .. Fujichrome users?
>
> I've never seen prepaid Fujichrome. Where have you encountered it?
Velvia or Provia (can't remember which) in the UK
J.
Nov 16th 2003, 9:49 pm
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Following up to Jeremy Henderson
>The danger I'm talking about is that you didn't expose the scene correctly
>at the time - something that is easily checked with a digital, and
>impossible with film.
this is an advantage of digital, for me it doesn't outweigh the
lack of quality and the storage problem. When full frame SLR type
bodies are available at an affordable price I will consider
digital. For now, scanned slides give me a non magnetic
technology based back up and a quality image.
--
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"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
UK walking & photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
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>The danger I'm talking about is that you didn't expose the scene correctly
>at the time - something that is easily checked with a digital, and
>impossible with film.
this is an advantage of digital, for me it doesn't outweigh the
lack of quality and the storage problem. When full frame SLR type
bodies are available at an affordable price I will consider
digital. For now, scanned slides give me a non magnetic
technology based back up and a quality image.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
UK walking & photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Spain,cuisines and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Nov 16th 2003, 9:49 pm
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Following up to Mxsmanic
>> Exactly my point - if you buy prepaid film you don't have the option of
>> processing it abroad without paying extra.
>Apart from Kodachrome, who ever buys prepaid film these days?
I do, all the time. (Fuji velvia). You don't have to, but I
prefer to use the Fuji lab.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
UK walking & photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Spain,cuisines and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
>> Exactly my point - if you buy prepaid film you don't have the option of
>> processing it abroad without paying extra.
>Apart from Kodachrome, who ever buys prepaid film these days?
I do, all the time. (Fuji velvia). You don't have to, but I
prefer to use the Fuji lab.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
UK walking & photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Spain,cuisines and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
Nov 16th 2003, 9:49 pm
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Following up to Mxsmanic
>I've never seen prepaid Fujichrome. Where have you encountered it?
It is optional, you buy the E6 mailers if you want them. Agfa
also ran a fast turn around "pro" service till recently.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
UK walking & photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Spain,cuisines and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
>I've never seen prepaid Fujichrome. Where have you encountered it?
It is optional, you buy the E6 mailers if you want them. Agfa
also ran a fast turn around "pro" service till recently.
--
Mike Reid
"Art is the lie that reveals the truth" P.Picasso
UK walking & photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk" <-- you can email us@ this site
Spain,cuisines and walking "http://www.fell-walker.co.uk" <-- dontuse@ all, it's a spamtrap
