Stockholm tram etiquette
Aug 29th 2004, 8:18 am
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Re: Stockholm tram etiquette
"Pete" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
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> >> If I would have bought a day or multiple-day transit pass, would
> >> it have been valid on the ferry between the Vasa Museum and the
> >> city center?
> > Depends on what you consider city centre. The bigger boats to
> > "Slussen" definitely yes,they accept SL-passes (but not tickets again) .
> > The smaller one sailing to Nybroviken (outside the national theatre)
> > have been privatized and is now a Strömma operation.
> I should have mentioned that my story dated from 2000. I seem to
> remember that my ferry ran from the Royal Theatre of Drama to the
> Vasa Museum, and then to Slussen (and then reverse, I guess). Or
> maybe that was two separate ferries as you described.
> > Personally I'm amused to go biking out there and have a cup
> > of coffee and something at cafe' Ekorren (the Squirrel) in the
> > mid of Djurgården overlooking the ships and boats coming.
> That cafe must be on the south side of Djurgården to have the view
> you describe, right? Or is it on a hill?
> Pete
South side yes. Close to a boat marina but with some tradition being an
over 100 year old building. Expensive (!) but sometimes it's worth to pay
a little more.
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> >> If I would have bought a day or multiple-day transit pass, would
> >> it have been valid on the ferry between the Vasa Museum and the
> >> city center?
> > Depends on what you consider city centre. The bigger boats to
> > "Slussen" definitely yes,they accept SL-passes (but not tickets again) .
> > The smaller one sailing to Nybroviken (outside the national theatre)
> > have been privatized and is now a Strömma operation.
> I should have mentioned that my story dated from 2000. I seem to
> remember that my ferry ran from the Royal Theatre of Drama to the
> Vasa Museum, and then to Slussen (and then reverse, I guess). Or
> maybe that was two separate ferries as you described.
> > Personally I'm amused to go biking out there and have a cup
> > of coffee and something at cafe' Ekorren (the Squirrel) in the
> > mid of Djurgården overlooking the ships and boats coming.
> That cafe must be on the south side of Djurgården to have the view
> you describe, right? Or is it on a hill?
> Pete
South side yes. Close to a boat marina but with some tradition being an
over 100 year old building. Expensive (!) but sometimes it's worth to pay
a little more.
Aug 30th 2004, 12:07 am
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Re: Stockholm tram etiquette
Am Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:56:07 GMT schrieb Pete:
> So are you
> expected to board Stockholm trams only at the front door? What
> other European cities demand this behavior?
I've seen the same on some buses in Switzerland (mostly in the
countryside).
In Germany in some cities you have to enter the bus through the front door
only in the night hours (guess it's for safety reasons so the driver seas
who comes on board).
Regards,
Frank
> So are you
> expected to board Stockholm trams only at the front door? What
> other European cities demand this behavior?
I've seen the same on some buses in Switzerland (mostly in the
countryside).
In Germany in some cities you have to enter the bus through the front door
only in the night hours (guess it's for safety reasons so the driver seas
who comes on board).
Regards,
Frank
Aug 30th 2004, 9:07 am
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Re: Stockholm tram etiquette
Frank Hucklenbroich <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<[email protected]>. ..
> Am Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:56:07 GMT schrieb Pete:
>
> > So are you
> > expected to board Stockholm trams only at the front door? What
> > other European cities demand this behavior?
>
> I've seen the same on some buses in Switzerland (mostly in the
> countryside).
Nearly all Swedish buses work like that (including in the cities).
It's damn annoying, as it is so slow and inefficient at each stop.
Bjorn
> Am Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:56:07 GMT schrieb Pete:
>
> > So are you
> > expected to board Stockholm trams only at the front door? What
> > other European cities demand this behavior?
>
> I've seen the same on some buses in Switzerland (mostly in the
> countryside).
Nearly all Swedish buses work like that (including in the cities).
It's damn annoying, as it is so slow and inefficient at each stop.
Bjorn
Aug 30th 2004, 11:04 am
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"Bjorn Olsson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Frank Hucklenbroich <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > Am Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:56:07 GMT schrieb Pete:
> >
> > > So are you
> > > expected to board Stockholm trams only at the front door? What
> > > other European cities demand this behavior?
> >
> > I've seen the same on some buses in Switzerland (mostly in the
> > countryside).
> Nearly all Swedish buses work like that (including in the cities).
> It's damn annoying, as it is so slow and inefficient at each stop.
> Bjorn
All Finnish buses work like that and I do share Björn's opinion on it. Trams
on the other hand can be entered through any door except if the passenger
wants to pay the fare in cash to the driver. The new long vario trams with
four wide doors are very good especially as the tram floor is on the same
level as curbside.
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> Frank Hucklenbroich <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> > Am Sat, 28 Aug 2004 15:56:07 GMT schrieb Pete:
> >
> > > So are you
> > > expected to board Stockholm trams only at the front door? What
> > > other European cities demand this behavior?
> >
> > I've seen the same on some buses in Switzerland (mostly in the
> > countryside).
> Nearly all Swedish buses work like that (including in the cities).
> It's damn annoying, as it is so slow and inefficient at each stop.
> Bjorn
All Finnish buses work like that and I do share Björn's opinion on it. Trams
on the other hand can be entered through any door except if the passenger
wants to pay the fare in cash to the driver. The new long vario trams with
four wide doors are very good especially as the tram floor is on the same
level as curbside.
tv
Sep 1st 2004, 11:38 pm
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Re: Stockholm tram etiquette
Pete schrieb:
> So are you expected to board Stockholm trams only at the front door?
Not normally. There is (well, should be) a conductor on the tram who
walks around, asks for your ticket/pass, and sells tickets if you
need one.
> What other European cities demand this behavior?
I don't know of any European city where you have to board trams at the
front door. On some systems you enter at the front door to buy a ticket
from the driver, but you can still choose any door if you are transfering
or using a pass. In Amsterdam, you may enter at the front door (passes/
transfers only) or at the rear door (conductor sells tickets there).
However, in many places you have to board buses at the front door.
... Martin
> So are you expected to board Stockholm trams only at the front door?
Not normally. There is (well, should be) a conductor on the tram who
walks around, asks for your ticket/pass, and sells tickets if you
need one.
> What other European cities demand this behavior?
I don't know of any European city where you have to board trams at the
front door. On some systems you enter at the front door to buy a ticket
from the driver, but you can still choose any door if you are transfering
or using a pass. In Amsterdam, you may enter at the front door (passes/
transfers only) or at the rear door (conductor sells tickets there).
However, in many places you have to board buses at the front door.
... Martin
Sep 1st 2004, 11:46 pm
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Timo Valtonen schrieb:
> You were not using the Stockholm public transport system, you were on a
> museum tram service operated by voluntary members of Swedish Tramway
> Society.
> http://www.ss.se/djurgardslinjen/english.php
> Your pass was not valid on this service, so I guess the driver decided it
> would have been too much trouble to explain the system for you.
SL passes, including 24-hour and 72-hour passes, *are* valid on the museum
tramway: http://www.ss.se/djurgardslinjen/taxa.php
... Martin
> You were not using the Stockholm public transport system, you were on a
> museum tram service operated by voluntary members of Swedish Tramway
> Society.
> http://www.ss.se/djurgardslinjen/english.php
> Your pass was not valid on this service, so I guess the driver decided it
> would have been too much trouble to explain the system for you.
SL passes, including 24-hour and 72-hour passes, *are* valid on the museum
tramway: http://www.ss.se/djurgardslinjen/taxa.php
... Martin
Sep 1st 2004, 11:53 pm
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jcoulter schrieb:
> It was that way in Copenhagen entry by front door driver checked passes and
> tickets.
That must have been some time ago, as the Copenhagen tram network was
closed down in 1972 ...
... Martin
> It was that way in Copenhagen entry by front door driver checked passes and
> tickets.
That must have been some time ago, as the Copenhagen tram network was
closed down in 1972 ...
... Martin
Sep 2nd 2004, 12:29 am
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Martin Bienwald <[email protected]> wrote in
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> jcoulter schrieb:
>
>> It was that way in Copenhagen entry by front door driver checked
>> passes and tickets.
>
> That must have been some time ago, as the Copenhagen tram network was
> closed down in 1972 ...
>
> ... Martin
>
Well I rode something, I suppose it was a bus, and one gets on in the front
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> jcoulter schrieb:
>
>> It was that way in Copenhagen entry by front door driver checked
>> passes and tickets.
>
> That must have been some time ago, as the Copenhagen tram network was
> closed down in 1972 ...
>
> ... Martin
>
Well I rode something, I suppose it was a bus, and one gets on in the front
Sep 2nd 2004, 1:04 am
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"jcoulter" <[email protected]> skrev i meddelandet
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> Martin Bienwald <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
> > jcoulter schrieb:
> >
> >> It was that way in Copenhagen entry by front door driver checked
> >> passes and tickets.
> >
> > That must have been some time ago, as the Copenhagen tram network was
> > closed down in 1972 ...
> >
> > ... Martin
> >
> Well I rode something, I suppose it was a bus, and one gets on in the
front
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In the case of the tram the routine was the opposite, you entered from the
backdoor where the conductor was seated.
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> Martin Bienwald <[email protected]> wrote in
> news:[email protected]:
> > jcoulter schrieb:
> >
> >> It was that way in Copenhagen entry by front door driver checked
> >> passes and tickets.
> >
> > That must have been some time ago, as the Copenhagen tram network was
> > closed down in 1972 ...
> >
> > ... Martin
> >
> Well I rode something, I suppose it was a bus, and one gets on in the
front
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In the case of the tram the routine was the opposite, you entered from the
backdoor where the conductor was seated.
